A female Navy Seal? not yet.

reply to post by FreeSpeaker

This is an offense to SF members. all they psychological training SF go through, and the knowledge they have to obtain, to have skill sets such as being able to hike up to a high altitude and manage an assasination shot, yet they are suddenly reduced to a bumling caveman the second they see a woman? So then by these statements and others have made, they can't fight with black soldiers if they are racist, because it is distracting, they can't fight with gay soldiers if they are homophobic because they might be "skeered". I highly doubt a highly trained SF soilder would be distracted by a pair of breasts.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by FreeSpeaker

 

This is an offense to SF members. all they psychological training SF go through, and the knowledge they have to obtain, to have skill sets such as being able to hike up to a high altitude and manage an assasination shot, yet they are suddenly reduced to a bumling caveman the second they see a woman? So then by these statements and others have made, they can't fight with black soldiers if they are racist, because it is distracting, they can't fight with gay soldiers if they are homophobic because they might be "skeered". I highly doubt a highly trained SF soilder would be distracted by a pair of breasts.

Sorry, but one women in a group of males changes everything. There are soo many studies on it you couldn't even read all the titles. Go ahead and read a few studies before you try to deny it. We are still creatures of instinct.

I think women have the right to serve in the military just like men. It's only fair, women can be pretty tough. The society that we live in is where males dominate. Well guess what. The females are actually getting to be more more dominant than the males. Watch the woman fight while the males are cooking and cleaning up the kitchen and doing all the chores around the house. She's bringing the ball and chain. lol

Why do women have to want to try everything, or be involved with everything. Just let the male of our species do the fighting. This is just how it is. If this wasn't the best way then it would be different. Woman cops are bad enough, seems like everytime they run into a little bit of fuss they bust out the tazer or draw firearm for fear they cant handle the situation, news flash, if you cant handle the situation in proper protocol for methods of restraint and when to use them than you should not be an officer of the law, now image a female SF.

reply to post by Shrukin89

Woman can serve in the military.

reply to post by FreeSpeaker


seriously, a males natural instinct is to protect a female, which can make a sticky situation even stickier if a male has to worry about the safety of the female, and there is no way around it, you cant train against it, it is instinct, you cannot change natural instinct, sometimes people forget that we are animals.

reply to post by nixie_nox


I agree with this man.

What happens when we are in a war against super land sharks and our female special operatives start their menstrual cycle..


A whole lot more blood. Thats what.

Does anyone realize what is going on with this thread?

The fair answer is this: If a woman was equally capable of performing the physical, emotional, and mental standards required to get in, then yes, they should be given the chance to join.

The fact of the matter is, there are not too many women out there like that, so it would be a MUCH greater challenge for them than a man in the same situation. Of course, this should be obvious - we are speaking of the elites, the best of the best.

However, THIS THREAD, shows me two things: Women trying to convince men that women are superior to men, and men trying to convince women they are weak.

Women - You want equality? You don't start by claiming to be superior. Don't claim you go through more than you actually do. If you really are superior, you wouldn't play the emotional distress you supposedly have to deal with every freakin' day.

Men - As I stated above, the truth of the matter is, -if- there was actually a woman who could successfully complete the standards to qualify, then what's the problem?

I don't understand why there's so much hatred towards people over pathetic trivial arguments like this. Do you people honestly have a desire to attack each other like you know best? We have enough problems in this world, can we not add "Female Navy Seals" to the list of things to argue about over dinner?

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
I haven't even heard anyone mention the mental aspect of being part of a SP team. The team has to function without distractions and if you put a women into a group of alpha men, its a distraction. What if the men didn't want a women on the team even if they passed the same tests? Are you going to force them to accept a women and create division/resentment amoungst the team?

edit on 2-6-2011 by FreeSpeaker because: (no reason given)

If a female within a SF team become a distraction, then a female will be just as much a distraction if the team
encounters females on the objectives.

Being a capable SF member means you have to have the ability to adapt and focuses so that a individuals sex wont be a distraction. Male individual who can't cope with females will probably never make it into a navy seal team. They don't have what it takes to work within different aspects of team work.

The ability to work as a team regardless of who is on the team, is one of the main goals for a SF team.

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by FreeSpeaker
I haven't even heard anyone mention the mental aspect of being part of a SP team. The team has to function without distractions and if you put a women into a group of alpha men, its a distraction. What if the men didn't want a women on the team even if they passed the same tests? Are you going to force them to accept a women and create division/resentment amoungst the team?

edit on 2-6-2011 by FreeSpeaker because: (no reason given)

If a female within a SF team become a distraction, then a female will be just as much a distraction if the team
encounters females on the objectives.

I didn't know SEAL's, because this thread is about the Navy Seals and not just the SF in general, came across many women on hike's up mountains, through jungles, and deep into enemy territory.

reply to post by grey580

It really all doesn't matter because even if you pass the test, only a handful get selected.When you do something like the Special Forces, its not something you do for 4 or 6 six years and your out, it takes about 3/4 that time just to do the training, its a long term commitment. 20 candidates can pass the final test, female and male alike, but if there only after 15, there going to pick the males. Call it sexist, call it whatever, but it would happen and will happen whether you like it or not.

Originally posted by loneranger26
Why do women have to want to try everything, or be involved with everything. Just let the male of our species do the fighting. This is just how it is. If this wasn't the best way then it would be different. Woman cops are bad enough, seems like everytime they run into a little bit of fuss they bust out the tazer or draw firearm for fear they cant handle the situation, news flash, if you cant handle the situation in proper protocol for methods of restraint and when to use them than you should not be an officer of the law, now image a female SF.

Do you happen to have statistics to back up that women are the ones who get trigger happy when things turn bad? Or are you in fact just pulling this out of your backside?

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Male police officers honey. So I think perhaps you should rethink that last statement. If you want to make the military a boy's club perhaps you should use another way to go about it.

reply to post by Lovebringer


Oh I see how it is.... So why do women have breasts then hmm?? For decoration? Why do women have ovaries or a uterus?? Obviously if a woman doesnt want to have children, whats the point of having those accessories? Cut em off, take it out, its not getting used.......Remember the saying boys, if you dont use it, you'll lose it...

And when a woman removes those parts she isnt using...all of a sudden she looks more like a man, square, flat chested and rough, tough, burly, rugged.....etc.

What man in the planet doesnt want to use his special organ??? Hmmm?? Im talking the 2nd in command down there. If a man wouldnt use it, he would never cut it off, he would find a way to use it....

reply to post by Becoming


Dude I really don't care what you believe. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. I know who I am and what I've done. I imagine you are a career type; and with your attitude towards women I feel for any who work for you. That being said if a woman wants to be in Special Forces and can pass the same, let me repeat that for you, and can pass the same test then she should be allowed to join.

Now I am done with you period end of story.

Originally posted by Seektruthalways1
reply to post by Lovebringer

 

Oh I see how it is.... So why do women have breasts then hmm?? For decoration? Why do women have ovaries or a uterus?? Obviously if a woman doesnt want to have children, whats the point of having those accessories? Cut em off, take it out, its not getting used.......Remember the saying boys, if you dont use it, you'll lose it...

And when a woman removes those parts she isnt using...all of a sudden she looks more like a man, square, flat chested and rough, tough, burly, rugged.....etc.

What man in the planet doesnt want to use his special organ??? Hmmm?? Im talking the 2nd in command down there. If a man wouldnt use it, he would never cut it off, he would find a way to use it....

edit on 2-6-2011 by Seektruthalways1 because: (no reason given)

Are you serious? You can not be serious. So, if a women doesn't want children she should cut off any and all female parts of her? Is that seriously what you are saying right now? What is this... i don't even....

reply to post by FreeSpeaker


As i said: One of the main goals a seal team must be capable of doing, is working as a team regardless of who is on the team.
Individuals from a seal team might have to work with other types of teams, depending on the objective.
And there might be females on that team. And if you cant cope with that, then you will not be selected for that mission even if you have completed seal training.

You are not very professional if you dont have what it takes to function around females. Just so you know. Its a weakness.

Originally posted by Lovebringer

Originally posted by Seektruthalways1
reply to post by Lovebringer

 

Oh I see how it is.... So why do women have breasts then hmm?? For decoration? Why do women have ovaries or a uterus?? Obviously if a woman doesnt want to have children, whats the point of having those accessories? Cut em off, take it out, its not getting used.......Remember the saying boys, if you dont use it, you'll lose it...

And when a woman removes those parts she isnt using...all of a sudden she looks more like a man, square, flat chested and rough, tough, burly, rugged.....etc.

What man in the planet doesnt want to use his special organ??? Hmmm?? Im talking the 2nd in command down there. If a man wouldnt use it, he would never cut it off, he would find a way to use it....

edit on 2-6-2011 by Seektruthalways1 because: (no reason given)

Are you serious? You can not be serious. So, if a women doesn't want children she should cut off any and all female parts of her? Is that seriously what you are saying right now? What is this... i don't even....

Are you on something ? I mean dude, just relax. I'm not cutting off any of my parts, what the F is wrong iwth you ? You sound like you came from the newly devolved GLP(God like productions). Maybe you're sharing the same drugs. Lord have mercy, get some help!

reply to post by nixie_nox


There are plenty of women special operators. I knew two of them. Look up SAD operatives and Joint Tactics operations and you can find many jobs women have in the special ops world.

As for Navy seals, green berets, etc, they nor the rest of the military is a democracy, and the troops do not have a say. Its a dictatorship in the military. The ability to choose what you want to do is not always available, even for many men.

Originally posted by gallopinghordes
reply to post by Becoming

 

Dude I really don't care what you believe. I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. I know who I am and what I've done. I imagine you are a career type; and with your attitude towards women I feel for any who work for you. That being said if a woman wants to be in Special Forces and can pass the same, let me repeat that for you, and can pass the same test then she should be allowed to join.

Now I am done with you period end of story.

I'm glad you are done with me. I'm not done by a long shot and sine you brought it up. The female soldiers I have and had as my subordianates have never had a problem with me. Except for the few who didn't like me holding them to standards above their minimum. The ones who embraced my high standards have enjoyed fast promotions and went on to become outstanding soldiers.


If a woman wants to be part of the elite then they must first have the same standard as men. The female standards are so below the men that its a disgrace. Now they want to be considered for the Seals? As I stated before super soldier, bring up the basic female Pt standards and then come to me about how you women can be part of the elite.

I'm all for women being trained heavier in our weapons system. As it is women generally perform worse on the range. Maybe if women were trained to be more competant in our weapons then we wouldn't have soldiers like Jessica Lynch who basically threw her weapon down after it jammed.

Women do not have the basic strenght, weapons, knowledge of squad movements and general field training to compete at that high of level. I don't care if a woman can physically make it through the training. That is a very small qualifier to perform at that level. Women do not have the training in combat manuevers to even begin to qualify.

I don't care how many push ups a woman can do. What I do care about is that that same woman does not have the basic knowledge of the proper procedures of how to clear a house or how to reload the SAW.

When women can perfom basic combat manuevers then ask to be part of the elite. As it is women are so far below the standard its degrading to Seals and the Seal program to even consider to let them participate.

The fact of the matter is that men and women have evolved to differ bioloically to ensure the survival of our species; women have not evolved to be warriors, mentally or physically whether they like it or not, and even if this wasn't the case - I agree with whoever pointed out that a woman may not be accepted by her teamates, and the security of an entire team should not be jeopardised to accomodate "equality" when the biology required is not even in the first place.