You have died. You are dead. You will continue to die.

I believe in enlightenment.
I believe in the power of love and the destruction from hate.
I believe in aliens.
I find reptilians, inner earth, hidden aliens on planets from this solar system not impossible.

To think there is a different dimension to every choices that could have been made?
Not at all.

Maaaaaybe some dimensions may split with important decisions but even then, to me, it just doesn't make sense.

Things that didn't happen, didn't happen and won't ever happen in that exact same time.
Even if you could change the past, the reality of those from where you originally came from, would still be in the same dimension and their past would not have changed. Don't know if you get it ^^

So in an alternate universe my team beat the spread?
I think I will try using that next time I'm in Las Vegas.

or

I might try and get over to a universe where I never read this tread and was happy in my ignorance.
Oh... and also where I never got married, and my ex-wife was never born!
That sounds like a universe I want to live in.

Is anyone working on the technology to get into these other universes?
Come on guys! Let's pull together and get this done!!!

The only problem I have with many universe model is the rush of a universe to disorder / getting colder. without a pruning function for failed choices / universes / cold universes the model drags a long tail that should eventually bring disorder to successful choices / universes / warm universes. with all possible quantum states available to the universe the many universe model grows rapidly. If time flows forward only then an anomalous event would spread out like ripples in a pond. The ripples could be large and cause a great disturbance initially, but eventually the waves would turn to ripples and finally die out all together. so, if pruning is not a function of the universe I can't see how many universe quantum state model could exist. I would like to know more myself, can you take free no credit advanced math / physics online?

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
Hate to be a party pooper; but thats why you invited me.

I believe this to be the most ridiculous theory making the rounds. We actually make billions of decisions during our lifetimes. There is no fricking way that when i choose Coke instead of Pepsi anything happens anywhere else because of that decision. This is just a wacko theory made up by someone suffering deep regrets. You don't get another shot at your choices until your physical existence ends in this world. And even that it is debatable.

I hear you. The world of Quantum Theory is COUNTER-INTUITIVE. How can it be that we can know the LOCATION of a particle yet not know its SPEED or ORIENTATION. Yet, if we know its speed or orientation, we don't know its location? It works something like that. If you know one thing about a particle, you can't know the other thing. WHY!!??? It's maddening, and that's why it scared the pants off a lot of scientists early on.

This isn't just some metaphysical idea generated by too much single malt scotch mixed with red Kool-aid in someone's garage. What we're talking about here is well-grounded in SCIENCE. We owe lots to Quantum Theory. Wireless technology (and yes, a nod to Tesla is due here) and a host of other luxuries we enjoy on a daily basis. The two-slit experiment is real and can be reproduced by anyone who properly conducts it. An observer AFFECTS the observed. This was humanity's first glimpse into the reality of parallel universes via ghost particles.

However, you are very correct. At the end of the day, Quantum Theory ultimately illustrates our utter lack of knowledge about our reality, for every insight and revelation generates MORE QUESTIONS. But isn't that the nature of science? We go as far as we can see; when we get there, we will be able to see farther.

But, to say it's a whacko theory made up by someone with deep regrets... Well, that part of your post might be a bit closed-minded, and that's fine. That's your perspective on this topic. And who is to say whether or not one person is right or wrong. Personally, the power of decision is one of the greatest untapped resources we have at our disposal, and it is fueled by imagination and determination. We have been realizing for many decades now that THOUGHT and SPACE and TIME may not be the separate entities we have thought them to be.

Originally posted by Tayesin
Something seems out of whack with the concept that you make a choice for one direction yet you still continue along the other un-chosen possibilities in a new universe.

Being involved in the spiritual awakening side of the human equation, I can easily see Possibilities and Probabilities inherent in each Choice Moment.. that much is a given. But, when we make a choice for one direction we then move in that direction, and all other possiblities for that moment fade away... because they were not made Real by Action... they were not Chosen and they do not continue in existence.

One thing about science is it fails to understand its own state of existence as being in its "early childhood" phase. Many hundreds or thousands of years from here science will look back and think how silly it was with some of it's Theories.. just as adults look back on their childhood and see the sillyness we had as a child.

Very good point. And that is why the quantum world is so strange, so alien, so counter intuitive. The 2-slit experiment agrees with you, when it is OBSERVED. A photon must go in either slit A or slit B to get to the other side. However, when UNobserved, the Universe doesn't make a choice, and it allows the photon to go through BOTH slits. Somehow, a sentient observer AFFECTS the universe and forces it to choose. It is so strange...

...AND QUITE PROFOUND. What does that say about the human spirit? About reality? So, when we choose direction A, we only experience the choice we made in this universe. But, there is a state of quantum existence called SUPERPOSITION in which something exists in the state of two choices or positions.

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In a Reality where literally everything has happened, what is the benefit of one experience over another?

Imagine in eternity you have lived a million years in complete bliss, totally free and in total continuous, novel ecstasy... You may want to try delusion and suffering.. after all there is no REAL consequence. It's all happening. You have eternity to be everything.. Don't limit yourself to only experiencing what you may think are preferred states, timelines.

besides, somewhere out there you are living in total awareness, and you as total awareness may very well have decided yourself here and now, deluded into thinking TPTB are controlling your destiny as a free and happy being. It's an experience.. and if you don't like it you can always go back to being totally conscious in eternity.

Originally posted by User8911
I believe in enlightenment.
I believe in the power of love and the destruction from hate.
I believe in aliens.
I find reptilians, inner earth, hidden aliens on planets from this solar system not impossible.

To think there is a different dimension to every choices that could have been made?
Not at all.

Maaaaaybe some dimensions may split with important decisions but even then, to me, it just doesn't make sense.

Things that didn't happen, didn't happen and won't ever happen in that exact same time.
Even if you could change the past, the reality of those from where you originally came from, would still be in the same dimension and their past would not have changed. Don't know if you get it ^^

Here's a thought: --If the Universe/Multiverse is truly infinite, then EVERYTHING you have ever dreampt of exists... out there... somewhere... somehow... somewhen. If it is really ENDLESS, then things you haven't dreampt of or that are beyond our imaginations EXIST... somewhere, somewhen, somehow... Every possible combination of every improbabale/impossible manifestation of reality EXISTS. If that is the case, then everything you just mentioned is real.

The question is... Are we in one of the versions of those universes in which the Earth is hollow, where reptoids exists... or a clone of Elvis just served me a jelly donut from Krispy Kreme Donuts?

Still all hypothetical.....stop acting like it's a fact. I really can't buy into it...I don't know...people are still dumb enough to think that it all revolves around their big heads. If this were true... it also mean that every time a fly moves left instead of right, a new universe comes about...or say...even things that occur at an atomic level would give way for new universes. Just stop feeding people crap and telling them it's pudding...that's all I'm saying.

I find this very interesting.

I find it interesting you mentioned pneumonia as something that could kill us, a family member of mine just died last night from pneumonia.

Anyway, got a couple questions, it's going to be a bit hard to put what I'm saying into words.

Okay so about conciousness. I still can't really wrap my head around why we're concious in *this* universe right now and how is my friend concious in my or rather this universe. I mean my friend could let's say either throw or kick a ball, where does his conciousness end up? I mean he's either going to kick or throw the ball in my universe, so let's say he kicks, alright, but...what's he doing it in my universe of choices? I could then either drop my ball or hold onto it. I decide to drop it. We've just created a fair few amount of new universes. But for some reason we're both concious in the universe of kicking and dropping the ball choices. But, I still find that perplexing. Our concious seems to be in the same universe, but is it? Is my friend truly here? How do I know? It's too confusing.

Okay and I wanted to make a thread about this but I'll post it here. You mention dreams could be a gateway or whatever to some alternate universe, and some people believe de-ja-vu is when two alternate realities collide in the same space and time for a brief moment, I get that too. But allow me to elaborate on this dream theory.

In your dreams, have you ever dreamed you were not human? You may have been able to fly, teleport or whatever, but you were always a human right? You weren't a dog, snake or a snail, right? I can't ever remember not being me in some way, the farthest I was away from being myself in a dream was when I was a female for some reason. But I've always been human, and I've always been me, not Bob down the road, me and only me. Somewhere different maybe, sure, but still me in the end. So I find that very interesting.

Thanks for the read, love the theory.

Originally posted by shadowland8
I find this very interesting.

I find it interesting you mentioned pneumonia as something that could kill us, a family member of mine just died last night from pneumonia.

Anyway, got a couple questions, it's going to be a bit hard to put what I'm saying into words.

Okay so about conciousness. I still can't really wrap my head around why we're concious in *this* universe right now and how is my friend concious in my or rather this universe. I mean my friend could let's say either throw or kick a ball, where does his conciousness end up? I mean he's either going to kick or throw the ball in my universe, so let's say he kicks, alright, but...what's he doing it in my universe of choices? I could then either drop my ball or hold onto it. I decide to drop it. We've just created a fair few amount of new universes. But for some reason we're both concious in the universe of kicking and dropping the ball choices. But, I still find that perplexing. Our concious seems to be in the same universe, but is it? Is my friend truly here? How do I know? It's too confusing.

Okay and I wanted to make a thread about this but I'll post it here. You mention dreams could be a gateway or whatever to some alternate universe, and some people believe de-ja-vu is when two alternate realities collide in the same space and time for a brief moment, I get that too. But allow me to elaborate on this dream theory.

In your dreams, have you ever dreamed you were not human? You may have been able to fly, teleport or whatever, but you were always a human right? You weren't a dog, snake or a snail, right? I can't ever remember not being me in some way, the farthest I was away from being myself in a dream was when I was a female for some reason. But I've always been human, and I've always been me, not Bob down the road, me and only me. Somewhere different maybe, sure, but still me in the end. So I find that very interesting.

Thanks for the read, love the theory.

First, sorry to hear about your loss...

Next, your post generated some interesting thoughts.

1. Consciousness: The act of conception is an entropy-themed rat-race. One of millions or billions (?) of sperm makes its way to the egg. Winner takes all. Winner MAKES all. At that precise moment, when that one *particular* sprem cell fertilizes the egg... for you or me, THERE IS BUT ONE UNIVERSE --for that particular sperm to have fertilized that particular egg. CONCEPTION, for us in this reality, is tantamount to The Big Bang (not the ravenously popular TV series). At that moment, it is a singularity. We have had nothing done to us, no neutrino particles from distant gamma ray bursts have passed through us yet... At that moment... nothing. Seconds later, neutrinos pass through us, altering us in intangible ways. Forces we are not yet aware of change us and modify us. Then, as the embryo grows, the actions of the mother change us. Her environment affects her, and thus the embryo. So, somehow during this, our consciousness is ANCHORED, and like splitting cells during embryonic development, so grows our consciousness as forces create alternate possibilities of ourselves based on what our mother eats, gamma ray bursts from light years away sending neutrinos through us, and everything else... As the new universes form based on different possibilities, so does our consciousness expand, fracture. So do we become -unknowingly- extra dimensional beings.

2. Dreams: Isn't it strange how no matter how outrageous the dream, we dream our dreams as ourselves. Even if we are different, look different, feel different --in different settings-- we are still ourselves. Yes, I agree. We dream as ourselves. Again, as I stated before, I'm sure someone might come forward and dispute this fact, stating that he/she dreampt in the form of a neighbor or dragonfly, but for 99% of us, I'd wager we dream as ourselves (even if we dream we are of a different gender, as you stated). I think dreams are a connection to these strange realities of alternate universes.

3. Back to embryonic development: Your comments got me to thinking about how we develop. A fertilized egg becomes larger by cellular division. It's been a while since I took college microbiology, so forgive me if I simplify. But, in a nutshell, we grow by cellular division. 1 becomes 2; 2 becomes 4; 4 becomes 8, etc. Using that as a model, it would stand to reason that as we grow, more entropy enters our reality at a cellular level, --being affected mainly by choices made of the hosting/pregnant mother. What she eats, thinks, drinks, smokes, reacts to, and is exposed to greatly affects the growing embryo, and thus, new universes are created to account for these "options" or alternatives. As our cells divide and grow, so does our CONSCIOUSNESS. For each new possibility (and subsequent NEW universe), we fracture, we expand... we STRETCH. Our consciousness does this. We become more and more an extra-dimensional being. As we age, our consciousness truly becomes infinite (or NEAR-infinite).

Very interesting thoughts generated by your post.

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I have always speculated that dreams are merely your consciousness continuing it's work in other realities. The ones that have the most similar set of physics are normally vivid dreams, and the realities that follow a totally different set of physics are normally forgotten by morning, as your brain in this reality cannot comprehend the physics in other realities. Which in turn, could explain why some people do not remember their dreams, or missing chunks from them.

Originally posted by GhostLancer
Very good point. And that is why the quantum world is so strange, so alien, so counter intuitive. The 2-slit experiment agrees with you, when it is OBSERVED. A photon must go in either slit A or slit B to get to the other side. However, when UNobserved, the Universe doesn't make a choice, and it allows the photon to go through BOTH slits. Somehow, a sentient observer AFFECTS the universe and forces it to choose. It is so strange...

...AND QUITE PROFOUND. What does that say about the human spirit? About reality? So, when we choose direction A, we only experience the choice we made in this universe. But, there is a state of quantum existence called SUPERPOSITION in which something exists in the state of two choices or positions.

Excellent reply, thank you. Be prepared for a lot of " " over words from here on in

But how do we know when unobserved the universe behaves that way?

I understand how not only observation but 'Intent'.. if I may say so... effects the Universe in some way. And I think Intent is the beckoner for the observation, although we know it does not always result as we intended or hoped.

I also think that Awareness is the big factor, not so much where we focus it.. although that is of prime importance in our day to day world.. but moreso how "much" we "have" available to us.

So if we considered the Universe to be Aware, and thus responding to our Intents, we might think that our small portion of awareness.. a minute drop in the ocean.. would be relatively powerless. And it may be powerless until it aligns with the flow of the Universe's awareness (?)

In which case our "personal" ability to effect the various "layers" within the universe would be severely limited.. which our human experience seems to support.

Yes.. I also understand Superposition, but in a spiritual sense.. for want of better ways to say things. In our growth to "having" more awareness we often find ourselves in two places at once, and have our focus split between the two separate realities we are experiencing. We arrive at this by using Intent.. and some simple techniques.

To me, this is no different to .. and sorry if I get these words wrong... two electrons at opposite ends of our galaxy reacting to each other.. don't know what that is called. The sub-space communication that occurs between the two is interdimensional.. as it is when you are sitting in a chair and also experiencing being in another layer of reality close to our physical world.. the limited "astral realms" and "above" while being aware of both at the same time.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Quantum Reality seems to be edging closer to the misunderstood spiritual realms that surround is in every moment, where Awareness and Intent are everything. Where you journey in what I call the Awareness Stream.

Something from left field now.... in ancient times the wizards and sorcerors in their time here could do what they did simply by having what they termed as "Authority". It's a state of awareness that allows you to use the awareness flow to achieve changes in the physical realm.. but even then there were limitations to what you could achieve. Some people today think of this as "Chi", yet it is something everyone can learn to do in a limited sense.

Ooops.. I waffled on again.. sorry. I hope some of it made sense to you.

Edit to add...

Forgot.

Perhaps these extra dimensions/universes with in our universe are only the subtle energy realms described by spiritual traditions?

That's what I wanted to say before all the waffle...

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Yes, well said. The world is the way we perceive it, and we focus on how we perceive it and ourselves. The limit is there is no limit - only limiters with their limited, with the limited that are in this position for what reason, other than their choice to be limited? Even more the baffling question is who are the limiters, and why are they there?
Gate keepers?
Evolution?

Little birds and dolphins. Elephants and kitty cats.

Fly fly fly til you realize the Sun is in your eye I eye.

Choose.

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This entire thread can be summed up to "make the best decisions possible" in every aspect of life we do.

I don't believe alternate universes exist, in the fact that there would be limitless possibly outcomes, for every single decision.. if I decide to scratch my eyebrow right now, if I scratch it hard, if I scratch it softly, if I scratch it for 3 seconds or 2 seconds or 2.5 seconds or 2.25 seconds.. there are infinite universes for every individual, so infinity times infinity would still be infinity.

The reason I don't believe it, is because our conscious only transfers to the universe based on the decision we made. What happens to the conscious in the alternate universe? Does it continue as normal? an exact clone of my thought process without any realization that it just came from an alternate universe?

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That's sort of my question about my conciousness as well.

I find the theory still interesting nevertheless, even though it's rather hard to comprehend.

I heard a twist on the theory the OP presents a while back. On the quantum level, for each atom or sub-particle that changes position/moves/vibrates, and new reality is forked and generated. Conscience is floating through this "membrane" and it is the passage of time that solidifies us into the 3rd dimension. Passage of time being a byproduct of conscience.

"The idea that an individual can find god is terribly self-centered. It is like a wave thinking it can find the sea." -John Templeton

I would hate for all those monsters I dreamed about when I was younger to show up later on. But then again, I have had many good dreams that I would not mind becoming real.

You have died. You are dead. You will continue to die. You also have never even existed, all at the same time.

That last part is a big one for me. There are probably an unimaginable amount of universes where you don't exist at all, compared to ones that you do.

My question is, if the opportunity for you to exist as yourself never happen, do you get to be someone/something else?

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And if you get to be someone else, is there a possibility that you get to be someone else at a different time, even if you exist as yourself now?

Do these universes overlap? Could you exist in the same universe with yourself at the same time? Is time really linear?

Fractals are infinite. With that in mind, could you have possibly lived the lives of everyone around you at a different 'time'? Could we be existing in a society created by our past lives, from parallel universes?


I went off on a tangent, but the first 3 lines are what I really wanted to say!

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Why, yes it would! And I'm glad you asked!
'Cause nothin's more weireder than a future in the past!

If this is true then what happens if 2 of these Universe converge into identical copies ? statistically its possible and perhaps this convergence is Deja vu.

To me, what you've described about the many worlds theory linked to quantum theory is pretty much spot on. A very good and descriptive portrayal of the theory. S&F from me just for that.

I really enjoyed your post, up until the whole TPTB conspiracy lol. You see, if TPTB did realize this, then by default, it really wouldn't matter. In one universe TPTB have control over thought and decision process, in another they do not. So the idea of forming a conspiracy to direct 'universe creation' is inherently pointless, and I'm sure they would realize this before going through any efforts to achieve such a conspiracy.

As for my take on the many worlds theory... One should realize that these universes are supposed to be created for every possible decision at the time of it's making. Such as the tree you used as an analog. One thing people tend to forget is the "possible" part of this equation. With that being said, the real question I have is:

Is our consciousness fundamentally the same in every universe?

Granted environment has some role in the character we personify, but shouldn't all our decisions be rooted in a common sense of personality? Makes you wonder when you think about it, and how that might affect what decisions might be "possible", as in, could I ever possibly _______.