KLM Pilots Sight UFO

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hello I'm pretty sure that I have pictures of what you are describing except this one is red. It is one of four "anomalies" that showed up on digital camera the night of the super moon. These we not seen with the eye but did see flashes and snapped pictures. The cameras where on tripods and this thing moves everywhere. I got the pictures on the computer but don't know how to get them on here.

Originally posted by StaceyWilson

Originally posted by JimOberg
Is there some basic information on the KAL report such as date/time (GMT). location, and viewing azimuth (north, east, what?). Why hasn't anyone else asked for this basic stuff already?

Also, since the first report was relative to the takeoff vector, how about somebody tell us the runway location and number (compass orientation) so we can get an azimuth on the light.

edit on 30-5-2011 by JimOberg because: add runway request

Bro, settle down , and relax, tomorrow night go camping somewhere , look up and see for your friggan self , if that dont work,try a week long camping trip , you will see many things , falling stars , Stars , chances are with all the activity , you will see a UFO,

"Seeing is believing", eh? Been there, got the T-shirt.

"Believing" even though there's no argument >95% of people who 'believe' because they 'saw' are basing the belief on bogus stimuli -- in explainable cases. I'd like just once to get 20 people who each 'believe' because THEY each think they SAW a genuine UFO to get locked in a room until they decide which ONE of them had the 'real' UFO experience and which ones were mistaken. Boy would THAT make an entertaining 'reality show'.

The point I'm trying to make is a real one. Since most all of the UFO perceptions are misperceptions, how can 'belief' that is overwhelmingly based on mistakes have ANY validity?

Study of 'best cases' -- rigorous analysis of case studies -- that seems a legit approach. Relying on highly error prone personal experiences? No way.

But you don't even seem to want to study 'good cases'. Your attitude toward my inquiry about contextual backup information indicates that. Whether or not 'UFOs are real', you seem to be satisfied to base your conclusions on unchecked mostly-delusions.

Very cool video.
Really wish there was a visual but what can you do, interesting and cool nonetheless!

Very interesting- thanks for posting. I doubt there are many 'ordinary' objects just hanging around at 2500ft that the jet wash could move. Also, these professional pilots and ground crew independently confirmed what they were seeing- surely witnesses that are of reliable standing (KLM dont employ people prone to flights of fancy) that are used to seeing all sorts of objects in the sky- if it wasnt unusual, they wouldnt have commented.

As for this 'burden of proof' arguement- well, you can take the evidence or leave it. Nobody is forcing anyone to believe it. I know what I think, however.........

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Any idea "where" the KLM airplane was fliyng above?

Well, if it was Norway or Nothern Europe, maybe it found "one of this ones" on its trajectory...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Frira
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Quick thoughts:

Admittedly they do not send out beams of light as the tower reports seeing in the translation provided from the Dutch (thanks for that!), but regarding the ensuing discussion of "orange balls of plasma," that is an excellent description of a weather balloon around sunrise and sunset; and when the sun sets on those they "wink out" in an instant.

This recording, is quite interesting-- the low altitude is unusual and the tower's verification is neat.

Perhaps, the "beams" and subsequent disappearance witnessed by the tower might have something to do with the jet wash reaching a quite ordinary object, causing it to move suddenly?

At less than a thousand yards/meters, one might expect to have some structural detail provided if the object had been other than very small. As a sky watcher since childhood, I have seen many things-- empty trash bags twisting in the wind at over a thousand feet above provided some quick pulse for a bit, but I had time to go inside and get my binoculars.

I'm not debunker, but experience is that small lights in the sky are man-made objects.

Um......seen any UFOs ? C-mon, dont be shy

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by StaceyWilson

Originally posted by JimOberg
Is there some basic information on the KAL report such as date/time (GMT). location, and viewing azimuth (north, east, what?). Why hasn't anyone else asked for this basic stuff already?

Also, since the first report was relative to the takeoff vector, how about somebody tell us the runway location and number (compass orientation) so we can get an azimuth on the light.

edit on 30-5-2011 by JimOberg because: add runway request

Bro, settle down , and relax, tomorrow night go camping somewhere , look up and see for your friggan self , if that dont work,try a week long camping trip , you will see many things , falling stars , Stars , chances are with all the activity , you will see a UFO,

"Seeing is believing", eh? Been there, got the T-shirt.

"Believing" even though there's no argument >95% of people who 'believe' because they 'saw' are basing the belief on bogus stimuli -- in explainable cases. I'd like just once to get 20 people who each 'believe' because THEY each think they SAW a genuine UFO to get locked in a room until they decide which ONE of them had the 'real' UFO experience and which ones were mistaken. Boy would THAT make an entertaining 'reality show'.

The point I'm trying to make is a real one. Since most all of the UFO perceptions are misperceptions, how can 'belief' that is overwhelmingly based on mistakes have ANY validity?

Study of 'best cases' -- rigorous analysis of case studies -- that seems a legit approach. Relying on highly error prone personal experiences? No way.

But you don't even seem to want to study 'good cases'. Your attitude toward my inquiry about contextual backup information indicates that. Whether or not 'UFOs are real', you seem to be satisfied to base your conclusions on unchecked mostly-delusions.

That's exactly what I would say after reading all of these "claims" if I didn't witness a UFO personally. I know what I saw. I wasn't interested in UFOs until my sighting and now I am. There is no other logical explanation to what I saw that night. My sighting wasn't a little light flashing a few kilometers away. My sighting was a giant (stadium size) orange orb in the clouds a few hundred meters away. Every time I try to picture in my mind what I saw that night, I get this weird feeling of confusion and maybe fear (hard to explain). Anyways, I hope you have a sighting your self, and I hope it's a good one. I really hope Earth makes contact some time during my life.

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That I call progress in conversation about the UFO issues, that has always being controversial within the commercial airliners . Keep talking freely about it pilots ! Great find

Nice!

See how calm they were about it?Just goes to show how accustomed we are to this sort of thing now!

Back in the 80's people would be freaking out seeing something like that but these guys were like "oh look,a ufo..oh well".

The last part of the conversation really struck me.
"You see everything in the sky. Usually, something you can't explain." Something tells me that the statement, although humorous, was no joke.

I think this recording is another solid piece of evidence added to the UFO files! It shows, without a doubt, that strange, unexplainable things are happening above our heads. Are they extraterrestrial in nature? I do not know, but they certainly aren't Chinese lanterns.

Originally posted by Hessdalen
they seem to "live" or at least "some" of them, in a small town in norway called Hessdalen

DONT JUDGE THE DOCUMENTARY BASED ON THE TITLE!!!! please, "ufo" and "portal" aren't mentioned at all...stupid production for choosing this kind of title...but maybe its kinda psyop

many universitys tried to explain it but they are unable to do so...

www.hessdalen.org...

secure.wikimedia.org...

edit on 31-5-2011 by Hessdalen because: mindcontrol

This is a very interesting video. The process of collecting photographs, video, radar data, radioactivity readings and spectra is all solid science. It is a shame they spoil the video by mentioning the fringe science of "hadronic mechanics" and throw in gratuitous references to the work of Tesla. This is unnecessary, as it gives what is quite likely a serious scientific investigation the taste of pseudoscience. This makes it more difficult for the scientific community to take seriously.

The appearance of Scandium in the spectra is certainly interesting, but the video incorrectly states that this mineral is only found in Scandinavia. The link with Scandinavia is in fact that it was first detected in minerals from Scandinavia, by spectral analysis as it happens.

It's not totally clear to me what the link is between the KLM report, the report of the OP and the Hessdalen phenomena. In each case there are mysterious lights in the sky. And indeed it appears to be very difficult to come up with a single diagnostic characterisation of the Hessdalen lights. However, in the KLM report it was a stationary white light which the ground team reported as being a pair of lights in a configuration of 110 degrees (in relation to what, I do not know -- this does not appear to be specified).

Perhaps if the Hessdalen lights had a known explanation, it might be considered as a possiblity for explanation of the other two sightings. But in the absence of any reason to conflate the different phenomena, I don't think it is wise to do so. The proposed explanations for the Hessdalen phenomena have to take into account the unusual frequency with which the phenomena occur in that specific region. The phenomena in the KLM recording and the OP's report do not. In particular, the scientific observations of the HL phenomena do not need to explain the observation of craft or solid structures. The lights appear ephemeral and nebulous. Charged plasma seems to be a good candidate and is supported by the observation of silica (major component of dust) and scandium (a surprise, but certainly found in dust in that region). Given the actual evidence, a geological explanation seems more likely in that situation. The KLM phenomenon on the other hand appears to be a pair of lights in some sort of configuration. That is more suggestive of a craft of some kind, though I was unable to tell whether the lights disappeared unexpectedly or if they just disappeared out of view due to cloud or obstructed viewing.

By the way, I have also seen numerous glowing orange balls in the sky near where I live. The first time I saw it I ruled out it being a chinese lantern, as when it came closer I could clearly see a red triangular shape with two orange lights, one mounted on each side. However, it was silent and very close, so it was hard for me to conclude that it could have been an aeroplane. On the other occasions I have seen orange glowing balls, chinese lanterns were the best explanation. I have photos and film but they are all inconclusive, which is why I have never posted them. At one point I saw orange balls moving slowly across the sky about every fortnight. I haven't seen them recently though. :-(

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hotrice-- Thanks for posting this thread on the white orbs, and huge fiery red-orange and green plasma balls!!!
One night back in 1976, I co-witnessed a bright white orb above the low cloud cover, [approx. speed: 4,000 mph,] which, according to my observation: it came from the Eastern horizion from the direction of Wash. D.C., but did not fly beyond the western horizion. Approx. altitude: 5,000 to 10,000 feet. The white orb was bright enough to see through the low lying cloud cover. A feeling of an alien presense overcame me.

One minute later I saw, [with two other witnesses] one of the most beautiful things, that I have ever seen in my entire life. A huge [ Approx.: 1,000 feet in diameter] fiery red-orange fusion plasma ball, [approx.: 1 mile away]; with a slow, [approx: 50 mph] perpendicular desent from the low thin cloud cover, to a supposed landing just beyond the mountain range in front of us while we were speeding east in a full windowed Ford Van.

The plasma foofighter was easy to look at, on its landing approach: With huge plasma flames licking all around it [ it was not a blinding light, but it was bright enough to light up the whole Eastern sky and the mountain valley in front of us. The foo had no fiery tail, but it seemed to have a perfect circular circumference.

My hypothesis: Is that the white orb phase of the foo, is the high power phase of starcraft in our atmosphere; with the ability to outrun anything that us Earthlings can throw against it.

The fiery red-orange or green plasma phase, is the take-off or landing operation that includes burning away trees or brush in order to perform a save landing, [besides the WOW factor on us Earthlings] the foo would have to have the ability to stop forest fires when they land.

If I could ever beg the space aliens for anything; it would be the ability to put out forest fires.

Foofighter's forever.

Ernno86

Originally posted by Erno86
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hotrice-- Thanks for posting this thread on the white orbs, and huge fiery red-orange and green plasma balls!!!
One night back in 1976, I co-witnessed a bright white orb above the low cloud cover, [approx. speed: 4,000 mph,] which, according to my observation: it came from the Eastern horizion from the direction of Wash. D.C., but did not fly beyond the western horizion. Approx. altitude: 5,000 to 10,000 feet. The white orb was bright enough to see through the low lying cloud cover. A feeling of an alien presense overcame me.

One minute later I saw, [with two other witnesses] one of the most beautiful things, that I have ever seen in my entire life. A huge [ Approx.: 1,000 feet in diameter] fiery red-orange fusion plasma ball, [approx.: 1 mile away]; with a slow, [approx: 50 mph] perpendicular desent from the low thin cloud cover, to a supposed landing just beyond the mountain range in front of us while we were speeding east in a full windowed Ford Van.

The plasma foofighter was easy to look at, on its landing approach: With huge plasma flames licking all around it [ it was not a blinding light, but it was bright enough to light up the whole Eastern sky and the mountain valley in front of us. The foo had no fiery tail, but it seemed to have a perfect circular circumference.

My hypothesis: Is that the white orb phase of the foo, is the high power phase of starcraft in our atmosphere; with the ability to outrun anything that us Earthlings can throw against it.

The fiery red-orange or green plasma phase, is the take-off or landing operation that includes burning away trees or brush in order to perform a save landing, [besides the WOW factor on us Earthlings] the foo would have to have the ability to stop forest fires when they land.

If I could ever beg the space aliens for anything; it would be the ability to put out forest fires.

Foofighter's forever.

Ernno86

edit on 31-5-2011 by Erno86 because: typo

edit on 31-5-2011 by Erno86 because: ditto

FOOFIGHTER'S FOREVER!!! Awesome how something esoteric like that can change your perspective about our existence. I really didn't think twice about UFO's before my sighting. It's a shame that we have no proof for others. And it's a dam shame that the aliens won't make contact.

Originally posted by hotrice
I saw giant floating orange plasma UFO hiding in the clouds.

Please explain - What is a 'orange plasma UFO'?

Where did that concept come from?
Who invented the concept?
What is it specifically?

Enlighten me please.

Funny, I was just thinking of taking a camping trip to Hessdalen this year, as I live in Norway. Never been there or at any other UFO hotspot.

However I've posted a video on Youtube that is from a valley RIGHT NEXT to Hessdalen. If you watch the whole video (all four parts), you'll see a lot of weird # going on. At one point the "light" turns into a pyramid shaped object that opens up and the burning light inside it seems to be exposed to thin air by doing this. Crazy #.. And I can confirm that the video is a real incident. However I don't claim it to be anything - alien spacecraft or anything else.Judge for yourself.

If you want me to do a quick translate to what they are saying from Norwegian to English, just ask. However they are just saying generic things like "wow", "look at that", and so on.

The links to the video is here:

"NEAR HESSDALEN INCIDENT":

That's why I like things like this, pilots can identfity things easily if they are known - so 9 times out of 10 anything they report should be classified as a UFO. The ATC seemed baffled to what the object might of been too.

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Very interesting incident, cheers for posting.

Also interesting to note how each pilot made sure that the other one would make a report in his logs as well.

That might even serve two purposes, first they don't get stamped off as lunatics doing '___' in the cockpit, and secondly there will be two entries about a sighting in two official documents. Every single document is a brick in the wall of disclosure.

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by hotrice
I saw giant floating orange plasma UFO hiding in the clouds.

Please explain - What is a 'orange plasma UFO'?

Where did that concept come from?
Who invented the concept?
What is it specifically?

Enlighten me please.

edit on 5/31/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Concept? Well I am just a recycling a term that I saw others use. What is it? No one knows for sure. But based on the circumstantial evidence and witness reports, I would guess an alien spaceship. I know that it sounds crazy, but if you see one you'll know what I am talking about. When a giant orange orb is hovering in a cloud, you'll have no other explanation. I really wish I could say that it was a Chinese lantern, but Chinese lanterns are not the size of a stadium. Of course it could be secret military technology, but I think the military would be smart enough to keep their distance from other aircraft. Keep in mind that I will never know if what I saw was an alien spaceship or not.

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probably a very small aircraft such as an ultra-light or model plane of some kind...

Originally posted by Brainiac
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probably a very small aircraft such as an ultra-light or model plane of some kind...

I think not.