Adam Kokesh Body Slammed for Dancing at Jefferson Memorial

Ultimately my opinion thus far has led me to generally obey laws and be peaceful, but I have felt a quiet fury for a long time, and my opinion is that if I am going to go to jail for something utterly pointless that is totally unjust then I might as well make it worth my while to go to jail. That way I can say something other than I was dancing and got arrested. In my case it would be more like they attempted to arrest me for dancing so I resisted arrest and assaulted 4 police officers. Atleast I earned that jail sentence. LOL

Seriously though like I say Constitutional Law trumps statutes and state laws every day of the week, just because the government says the patriot act means something and all this unconstitutional crap statutes and laws mean something doesn't mean they do, IF WE SAY THEY DON'T. People seem to have forgotten they answer to us, if people in this country would stand up for their fellow man and would have beaten those cops into a coma on that video it would be atleast a message that the people are fed up and are not going to take unconstitutional behavior anymore and there would be a 50/50 split on comments between those saying that the cops deserved it and the other half would say omg I hope they go to jail forever blah blah blah. But even if it wasn't half or even a majority, a large enough percentage of you agreeing with essentially "violence" means there's a large enough minority for that possibility to have merit and needing to be represented.

Let me tell you this if the police were heavily psychologically profiled and underwent anger testing to see if they fit the profile of "needing" to be a police officer, they then underwent serious college level Constitutional education so they would remember and know what this country was started for and what their job really means, who they serve you know? Then I bet we would not have as many incidents like this one.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

 

Yes...she still did not board that bus with the purpose of protesting...she was simply on her way home.


Again...try all you want...this is not the same thing.

I concede that point.

Well played.

Does it make a difference though? Both still protested.

reply to post by buddha


I am not inciting or suggesting anything other than people stand up for themselves if they are treated unjustly, it's the idea that Malcolm X was promoting if you are met with violence don't tolerate it and meet it back with violence.

Originally posted by Intelearthling

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Veiled insults. I love it. In other words, you have nothing.

Check my post history on WBBC. They are vile and evil, but have a right to freedom of speech and protest.

How ironic that they can protest funerals, but a group can't protest here.

If you feel a right is being violated at the library or the Veteran's Memorial, have at it.

They are public property, and you have every right.

I'm not here to throw insults.

If you'll listen to the police at the beginning of the second video, he clearly states that if anyone demonstrates policy by dancing, they will be arrested.

The couple arrested only started dancing after given the warning. The guy with the "DISOBEY" t-shirt was clearly resisting arrest and by his own actions provoked the police to make his arrest.

The Jefferson Memorial is a monument paid for by tax-payers just as every other monument in the DC area and elsewhere across America. At many of these places, rules and regulations are set up for reverence and civility.

Government rules and policies (aka laws) should not infringe on rights. Constitution here.

The people arrested in these videos showed contempt towards these rules.

Good for them, as the rules are unconstitutional.

Their rights to dance weren't being violated.

No, their rights to peacefully assemble were

They can dance all they want.

Obviously not.

They showed disrespect to every other tax-payer who wants to enjoy the serenity of this memorial without a bunch of antics.

Tea Partiers showed disrespect to all the Bostonians that liked to drink tea, using a bunch of antics.

Civil Rights protesters showed disrespect to the people who thought blacks should sit in the back and drink from special fountains, using a bunch of antics.

In my opinion, the ones who got arrested violated every other persons right there by forcing a temporary closing.

edit on 29/5/11 by Intelearthling because: (no reason given)

Your opinion is wrong.

They would not be there protesting if rights would not have been violated to begin with (look up why they did what they did).

The Memorial would not have been closed if the people had retained their rights.

Originally posted by Lysergic
Are we being set up?

I was thinking something similar.
Something about this entire situation seems off.
I don't know this Adam Kokesh guy, so I'm not sure if this whole thing was orchestrated, or allowed to escalate merely by his presence there.

Something doesn't seem "real" with this video... I nearly posted yesterday but didn't, I've now re-watched it and have the same opinion, something is off in this video, it doesn't seem authentic or seems staged.


I dunno.

May just be me.

First let's get one thing straight. A police officer's main concern is about keeping their job, just like anyone else with a decent paying job. Let's not lose sight of the number one priority which is getting a pay check. There is no cop I know who would work for FREE. EVER. Number two is their safety, but that's a given, most people are this way, cop or not. With that in mind, why would a police officer jeopardize their great job and not do what they are told to do, just to make a handful of protesters happy?

Also worthy of mention is most police officers don't care about how a law was or will be formed, their mind set is the opposite of someone who cares about how laws are formed and doesn't like that particular law made, like protesters. If a cop found a certain law unjust and made it public and put his foot down about it, then he would cease being a cop-law enforcement officer, and be a protester. So obviously we have two completely different personalities that clash. These personalities will NEVER get along because one is a law enforcer and the other is condemning the enforcement of the law.

Of high importance is focusing on the fact that cops get paid and protesters do not. It is well known if anyone wants the masses to protest against something, they need to be paid first. Not many people are stupid enough to protest for free, just like a cop wouldn't work for free, or a solider wouldn't work for free. Protesters will usually only protest if they feel their livlihood is in danger or they know they have solid funding to back them up. Protesters need to be reassured that they will be bailed out, have lawyers that care about them and their famlies and release of liability forms need to be signed by them as one can get seriously hurt in a mass brawl.

Anyway, what ever. I hate seeing stuff like this, it makes me sad for everyone. We're supposed to be all on the same team and be helping one another and watching out for foreign invaders, not turning on each other like this.

On a lighter note, but in sticking with the law being a law and the law that must be obeyed, at what ever cost, right? ha ha...these police officers can be seen as guilty of dancing themselves. I've been to numerous concerts in my younger days where mosh pits formed and people body slammed each other.

Leading one away in handcuffs, the foot shuffling with the to and fro rythm, appears to be a dance of some sort, almost like a two step.

These police officers may have previously considered cattle prods to round these guilty disidents; those guilty of their swaying body movements, or jerking body movements; although, prods would cause erratic bodily movements as well which could be construed as dancing after close analysis.

I say someone put this entire spectacle to music and then a jury of our peers can either find all guilty for breaking the law of no dancing, or innocent. Fair is fair.

Word of warning folks

If the Off Topic Posts, Snide Remarks and other T&C violations continue, I will close this thread

If it can not be discussed intellectually and maturely, it will not remain open

Thank you

Semper

There is a growing grasp for government control over our lives like I have never seen before. Many politicians are fools or liars, while others will sell their soul to move an inch closer to the power holders in this administration. In 2008, we the people were duped, and voted in the king of the fools who brought along his Chicago mafia minions and appointed them to positions that we had no vote over. There is only one solution left to us law abiding citizens. Re-elect absolutely No One, ever again. We must force the government back to the original citizen-led short-term service that our founders meant it to be. Again, re-elect no one. It is the only message that they will listen to. Re-elect no one!

Wow, that's horrible!

Originally posted by whaaa
reply to post by Annee

 

You can come on my property and dance to your hearts content.

Actually the Jefferson Memorial is my property; paid for and maintained by my tax dollars and I take exception to Fascist mistreating people there.

edit on 29-5-2011 by whaaa because: PT PT

You see, this is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about. The radical communists in the 60's screamed "fascism" to denote anything "capitalist". This is what they did at Kent State, and they started the riots to "prove" that the American Establishment was fascist. It is typical of the Hegelian dialectic, communism vs fascism. Both ideologies originated from the same radical people. Real fascism includes such things as the State dictating what you can eat. I have observed the same people here who rail against Capitalism are the ones who think that it's ok for the govt to dictate the trans fat content of Happy meals.
25thaviation.org...

And the most incredible such example took place on April 10, 1970, when Jerry Rubin spoke on the campus at Kent State. Jerry Rubin is a Communist, of course. We can be absolutely sure of that because he has said so repeatedly. In fact he said he was a Communist when your reporter asked him about it at the Democrat National Convention in Miami in 1972. At that Convention Rubin also said that, when he and his Comrades take over, your reporter will be gassed. At Kent State, Communist Jerry Rubin said this: "The first part of the Yippie program is to kill your parents. And I mean that quite literally, because until you're prepared to kill your parents, you're not ready to change this country. Our parents are our first oppressors."

Rubin also told the Kent State students to burn down the suburbs. "The American school system will be ended in two years," he explained. "We are going to bring it down. Quit being students. Become criminals. We have to disrupt every institution and break every law. We should have more laws so we can break them, too. Everybody should have their own law to break." As for the campus itself, Comrade Rubin told the students to ignore their professors, and to "burn all the books. It's quiet here now but things are going to start again."

What's wrong with having a little fun at the memorial?They weren't hurting anyone!It's not like the guy just died or anything!Should people go there just to cry?People gather there to respect the guy,that's the whole reason they're there!

The cops were the ones that were disturbing the peace.If they would have did nothing then nothing would have happened..except maybe a little dancing!

So who's really at fault here?They make these stupid rules up and treat people like they are beneath them!They actually expect people to follow these stupid rules!

You ARE in a police state when the police are everywhere watching your every move.

It's just like marshal law but with police patrolling the streets instead of the military..that'll be next.They will probably just make police military police so they are all one!Out with the blue suit and in with the fatigues!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by whaaa
reply to post by Annee

 

You can come on my property and dance to your hearts content.

Actually the Jefferson Memorial is my property; paid for and maintained by my tax dollars and I take exception to Fascist mistreating people there.

edit on 29-5-2011 by whaaa because: PT PT

You see, this is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about. The radical communists in the 60's screamed "fascism" to denote anything "capitalist". This is what they did at Kent State, and they started the riots to "prove" that the American Establishment was fascist. It is typical of the Hegelian dialectic, communism vs fascism. Both ideologies originated from the same radical people. Real fascism includes such things as the State dictating what you can eat. I have observed the same people here who rail against Capitalism are the ones who think that it's ok for the govt to dictate the trans fat content of Happy meals.

Nice try at baiting me troll but I am a capitalist entrepreneur with 3 LLCs and about as establishment as you can get and I still take exception to the cops abusing people for basically having a good time, expressing themselves and peacefully assembling.

There is such a thing as letting your ideology get in the way of your common sense. I choose not to worship at the feet of authority.

And if I feel like dancin, I'm gonna dance. I'll also take the consequences and throw it right back in the face of the Fascist.

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by Annee

 

Did you her that the flash mob at the Boston Tea Party turned into violence? It was called the American Revolution.

Seriously?

You are gonna compare Taxation without representation - - to this?

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by whaaa
reply to post by Annee

 

You can come on my property and dance to your hearts content.

Actually the Jefferson Memorial is my property; paid for and maintained by my tax dollars and I take exception to Fascist mistreating people there.

edit on 29-5-2011 by whaaa because: PT PT

You see, this is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about. The radical communists in the 60's screamed "fascism" to denote anything "capitalist". This is what they did at Kent State, and they started the riots to "prove" that the American Establishment was fascist. It is typical of the Hegelian dialectic, communism vs fascism. Both ideologies originated from the same radical people. Real fascism includes such things as the State dictating what you can eat. I have observed the same people here who rail against Capitalism are the ones who think that it's ok for the govt to dictate the trans fat content of Happy meals.

Nice try at baiting me troll but I am a capitalist entrepreneur with 3 LLCs and about as establishment as you can get and I still take exception to the cops abusing people for basically having a good time, expressing themselves and peacefully assembling.

There is such a thing as letting your ideology get in the way of your common sense. I choose not to worship at the feet of authority.

edit on 29-5-2011 by whaaa because: pt pt pt

No, I wasn't "baiting" you, but who are you to call me a troll? I've seen enough of this silly nonsense here on this forum. You in particular are one of the worst in calling other people insulting names.
Ok, let's start with a good definition of fascism? Let's start with Mussolini

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The conception of the Liberal State is not that of a directing force, guiding the play and development, both material and spiritual, of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results: on the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious and has itself a will and a personality -- thus it may be called the "ethic" State....

...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....

www.fordham.edu...

We can see by Mussolini's own declaration, that Fascism itself is Statist, but actually gives more freedom than Socialism. Socialism is but a bridge to the more violent form, communism, and fascism is only slightly to the right of Socialism. All three ideologies are Statist, that is the State is supreme and the individual has no rights but rights of the collective.

Originally posted by whaaa

I still take exception to the cops abusing people for basically having a good time, expressing themselves and peacefully assembling.

There is such a thing as letting your ideology get in the way of your common sense. I choose not to worship at the feet of authority.

I'm not personally saying I am in favor of it. I've been places where they had street music and we were cautioned about unlawful dancing. I thought it was pretty stupid.

But my personal feelings do not usurp laws. Generally there is a reason laws are enacted.

Flash Mobs started out fun and innocent - - - but like always there are those who take advantage. Then properties got vandalized and fights broke out - - and people got hurt.

If the opportunists didn't ruin it for everyone - - - there'd probably still be dancing allowed.

reply to post by Annee


both are in protest of asinine laws that hamper freedom.