Adam Kokesh Body Slammed for Dancing at Jefferson Memorial

I don't care if they are law enforcement or not or they warned or not, the moment someone puts their hands on me for dancing, and like the first officer did and grabbed the guys wrist, I would have elbowed him right in the nose with my free hand and then the rest of them would have had to jump me and/or tase or shoot me to keep me from beating the crap out of him.

Pretty strange.

I doubt Thomas Jefferson would have approved of this sort of behavior from the cops.

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And laws are laws. Are you saying that your rights supersede all laws?

What is the point of laws then? What do you want.. to live in a chaotic, lawless society? Just curious. You do realize that even Jefferson, Washington, and anyone involved in evolving our countries and citizens rights, believed in laws, yes?

What is your beef with this incident in particular? Do you feel that people have the right to mass protest anywhere.. at anytime.. no matter the location or dangers to those who might be there?

Originally posted by Konah

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
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Just doing their job is not an Ecuador.

Ask the Nazis

Oh yeah - - bring in the Nazis.

Why don't you throw in the Constitution too?

Why shouldn't we throw in the Constitution?! This is America, this event took place in Washington, DC, at the Thomas Jefferson memorial - who was a Founding Father, primary author of the Declaration of Independence, and President.

Yes, we will throw in the Constitution. This is America, and though it may be forgotten it is still the law of the land.

My thoughts on those who have no real argument - - throw in Nazis - Constitution - Communism - - etc etc etc - - . . . never mind - - not worth the effort.

FACT: there is a law prohibiting dancing in this area.

FACT: cops job is to enforce laws - - they are doing their job.

FACT: if you want laws changed - - then do something about it. Don't blame cops for doing their job.

Originally posted by DragonSpirit2
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However if a law or statute rails against the Constitution or the Bill of Rights without an amendment it is legally null and void. It is not enforceable in court as long as they get a good Constitutional Rights Lawyer.

I say "Go for it!"

Change or remove the law. That's how you do it.

Blaming Cops for enforcing a law - - - is childish. That is their job. They do not make the laws.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by TKDRL
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Police should be able to think their way out of a paper bag, and ignore such ridiculous statutes. That is probably too much to ask though this day in age.

What a stupid statement.

Cops enforce the law. That is their job.

If you don't like the law - - - then campaign to change it.

But don't lay blame on someone for doing their job.

A cops job is to keep the peace, not destroy it. My question to you is why you think there should be two sets of laws... one set for the people "in charge" (in the government)... then another completely different set for the rest of us. By what authority do you suppose they should get to break their own laws?

Edit: Also, why don't you think law enforcement officers should enforce the laws contained in the US constitution? Like for example, the freedom of expression which the federal government is supposed to protect?

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Is this some sort of trick question?

Damn skippy rights should supersede laws!

All laws have to be in accordance wight the Constitution, as it is the law of the land. The Constitution also elaborates on some of our rights.

Therefore, our rights have to supercede law. If a law takes away rights, of is not inline with the Constitution, and therefore not binding.


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Originally posted by civilchallenger

A cops job is to keep the peace, not destroy it. My question to you is why you think there should be two sets of laws... one set for the people "in charge" (in the government)... then another completely different set for the rest of us. By what authority do you suppose they should get to break their own laws?

What are you talking about?

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Lets not blame SS troops for doing their jobs.

No. They have the option to stand up and do the right thing, but they roll right along with it. They are as complicit as the others.


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A flash mob is a group of people who assemble suddenly in a public place, perform an unusual and sometimes seemingly pointless act for a brief time, then disperse, often for the purposes of entertainment and/or satire. Flash mobs are organized via telecommunications, social media, or viral emails.[The term, coined in 2003, is generally not applied to events and performances organized for the purposes of politics (such as protests), commercial advertisement, publicity stunts that involve public relation firms, or paid professionals.United States

In the United States, in 2009 and 2010, the city of Philadelphia experienced a wave of flash mobs that either started with the intent or led to the destruction of private property, rioting, violence, and personal injury.As a result, police used pepper spray to disperse crowds and arrests were made.Law makers and lobbyists in the city are pursuing enacting bylaws to counter flash mobs by extending curfew hours, limiting the hours of bus passes, and holding parents more accountable for the actions of their children.Bill Wasik has expressed "surprise by the new focus of some of the gatherings" and called it "terrible that these Philly mobs have turned violent".On May 28, 2011, the police arrested several persons at the Jefferson Memorial.

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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by civilchallenger

A cops job is to keep the peace, not destroy it. My question to you is why you think there should be two sets of laws... one set for the people "in charge" (in the government)... then another completely different set for the rest of us. By what authority do you suppose they should get to break their own laws?

What are you talking about?

Lets say you come to *my* property and I tell you not to dance... then you do dance. Then I body slam you on the ground and put you into a chokehold. Who is in the wrong and what should the retribution be? Answer that question and you'll know what the double standard I'm talking about is about.

Originally posted by civilchallenger
Lets say you come to *my* property and I tell you not to dance... then you do dance. Then I body slam you on the ground and put you into a chokehold. Who is in the wrong and what should the retribution be? Answer that question and you'll know what the double standard I'm talking about is about.

I don't get your point.

First off - you are not a law enforcement officer.

However - if I came on your property - you told me to get off and I didn't - - then you called the law - - and I still refused to get off - - yes they have the right to forcibly remove me.

But you don't. It is not your job.

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You can come on my property and dance to your hearts content.

Actually the Jefferson Memorial is my property; paid for and maintained by my tax dollars and I take exception to Fascist mistreating people there.

Originally posted by whaaa
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You can come on my property and dance to your hearts content.

Actually the Jefferson is my property; paid for by my tax dollars.

You are only one of millions. Laws are made to protect society as a whole.

But Thank You

I think what sucks is that we don't have the freedom to "quietly dance" in open air memorial buildings, but our Government can launch missiles into weddings of families in foreign countries and suffer absolutely no repercussions.

Just seems a little off kilter.

Originally posted by fleabit
What is your beef with this incident in particular?

That U.S. citizens were confronted and/or placed under restraint/arrest against their will for WHAT?

Do you feel that people have the right to mass protest anywhere.. at anytime.. no matter the location or dangers to those who might be there?

YES ... no matter the location, time, etc.

AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT IMPEDE UPON ANOTHER'S RIGHT(S) TO DO AND/OR OBSERVE THE SAME.

What part of the constitution is missing from your methodology, mindset here?

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GRANTED,
this was likely the result of a mass advertised/promoted 'dance on/for jefferson's grave' type scenario ... security memo to all on-duty staff included, BUT ...

What Exactly Did These Folks, the one's shown being arrested/forcibly detained, Do That Is/Was UNLAWFUL. (?)

Again...
They may have drawn excessive and untowards attention(s) to themselves and 'their gathering'...

BUT ... nothing in the numerous videos I've seen show anything even remotely close to unlawful or illegal. (?) activities or efforts whatsoever.

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Did you her that the flash mob at the Boston Tea Party turned into violence? It was called the American Revolution.


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Ahh. The old fallback.

It is for the good of X (where X = society, children, or any other demographic that can be used to further an agenda).

Does not fly.

Yes it may be your property as well, but the government Constitutionally can't make a law restricting freedoms there.


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Well, technically Jefferson is not buried there, and the law is on page 20 or 21 of this thread.


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Originally posted by fleabit
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And laws are laws. Are you saying that your rights supersede all laws?

What is the point of laws then? What do you want.. to live in a chaotic, lawless society? Just curious. You do realize that even Jefferson, Washington, and anyone involved in evolving our countries and citizens rights, believed in laws, yes?

What is your beef with this incident in particular? Do you feel that people have the right to mass protest anywhere.. at anytime.. no matter the location or dangers to those who might be there?

I would have to say, yes, laws are laws AS LONG AS they don't infringe upon our constitutional rights. As the same Fathers you speak of, had laws......they are the same Fathers who wrote our constitution. Where you draw the line is, when the law makers and law holders abuse their legal powers to subvert information from the public in the process of sacrificing them for thier personal gain or the gain of a one world police state. To abuse them physically for dancing and just trampling on their personal rights (basic rights..which is a UN Treaty mandantory application),...is not witholding the constitution of the people. It's abusing them and conditioning them to accept it as a norm, despite what the consitution was and the laws once WERE.Look, I hate hippies as much as the next guy, but they are citizens with the same rights as you and I, and should be treated as such.
Laws = good
Abusers of power = not so good.