Best martial art for survival when the brown stuff starts flying around

reply to post by Laokin


Im pretty flexible as I started in TKD at 6 and still practice it today to keep my leg speed up. I can do a full split,straddle and put one foot straight in the air. And at my age there arent many of my friends who can do that.Some of them cant see their feet due to their guts...
Never broken ribs with a round house? Wait for the haymaker and then launch, works every time. Just land the shin right on the lower ribs.Works 99% of the time and the look on their face is priceless.Nice talking to ya!

Originally posted by JayFlores
reply to post by Laokin

 

Im pretty flexible as I started in TKD at 6 and still practice it today to keep my leg speed up. I can do a full split,straddle and put one foot straight in the air. And at my age there arent many of my friends who can do that.Some of them cant see their feet due to their guts...
Never broken ribs with a round house? Wait for the haymaker and then launch, works every time. Just land the shin right on the lower ribs.Works 99% of the time and the look on their face is priceless.Nice talking to ya!

I've never hit some one with a roundhouse in the ribs outside of competition. I like my back kick better, since it hits harder and comes out straight and leaves them blind for a moment as your leg movement is concealed by the rest of your body... More of a preference really. And again, Only been in maaaaaaaaaybe 20 fights in my life on the street, and probably 8 of them were before Martial Arts in early Highschool.. when I was 13 or younger.

I practice avoidance... if only to keep myself out of jail. The time I got car jacked it was 6 on 1 though... and I have to say, they didn't get my car... and I didn't get hurt, nor did I go to jail... They let the jackers go though... which I thought was a bit strange.... My G/F was in the car in the parking lot at a store, and they attempted to steal the car with her still inside it. Mind you the store was closed and it was like 4 a.m.

I was on the way back from a NY to FL drive, in South Carolina. One cop rolled up to see that I defeated 6 big black dudes... the officer was a black man himself, and then escorted me out of the state... but he let the guys go. The officer never left his squad car... very, very, strange.

(If you are wondering why I was at a closed store in the first place, it's because I had to piss... so I jumped off at the next exit, but the store was closed, so I went behind it to piss... and that's when the dudes rolled up. There mistake, pulling up with the 12's in the trunk blasting.....)

I would say Krav Maga if you can only study one. The skill set embraced by most MMA fighters today also seems very complete: BJJ, muy thai, boxing, and grappling. My only real martial arts experience is about a year of Tae Kwon Do. What many forget is TKD started as a real, combat oriented, martial art and devolved into a demonstration sport. My sensei trained on Okinawa for ten years starting in his early teens. He loathed, and this was in the early 1970s, what TKD was becoming. His classes were very old school and concentrated heavily on mental and physical conditioning. Students did not start sparring until roughly six months of training. If you can find someone who will teach you combat TKD instead of sport TKD it's well worth picking up. Even the little I learned has saved my bacon in a couple of street encounters. In the end it will come down to your physical condition and mental attitude. My physical condition, nearing 60, sucks today so I will meet you at 400 yards with a scoped .308 rifle.

reply to post by OoohLaDeDa
While I am all for a person getting in shape and learning self defense (whatever the martial art) someone has been watching too many Kung Fu movies and is utterly deluded to think any kind of street combat is going to be limited to fist and feet, particularly if you are talking about a fight with the police, who are armed to the teeth. I am not going to say more except to suggest you take a look at what has happened to protestors and rioters in recent times and what they were up against.

Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
No martial art is better than another, they are the same. The only thing different is the person who is practicing and how good they are. It's no different than what gun is best, it is all based on the individual not the calibur or range of a gun.

You are right in one thing, no ma is better than the other. That's a bit subjective. But, like guns, they have different uses. You can't use a handgun to assassinate someone 4 blocks away from you. Some arts are more useful than others for particular tasks. From what I've read and understood about a few arts, I'd recommend Muay Boran(makes Muay Thai look like an ice cream party), Jui Jitsu, Jeet Kun Do, kick boxing and knowing a bit of wrestling for take downs, tie ups and lock ups will be good. The first two styles I mentioned are strictly killing styles. Juijitsu practiced by the samurai is an art of death. It's not made really to defend yourself(yes, you can defend yourself with it), but its purpose is to kill another quickly. The same for Muay Boran(which is a little more brutal). This is an art that stresses the ability to take someone out before they even flinch. Good luck finding a teacher who teaches it though, it's not practiced for a reason. And some of the teachers who do teach it, are frauds.

Originally posted by JayFlores
reply to post by Testsubject3

 

I have to disagree with everything you posted.. Ive been full force kicked and punched in the throat many times in a fight and all I got was a brief millisecond of discomfort and a sore throat for a few days. And Im no big muscle head either. Im 5'10 175lbs. A knee to the nads works IF you can land it. A man doesnt have to see a shot to the balls coming. As soon as he feels a brush to his thigh, instinct takes over and you will most likely miss.And I'm not sure about this (sarcasm) but I dont think anyone is going to stand still while you smash their knee. So unless you are greased lightning, kick like a mule and can hit that knee at the perfect angle with a reasonable amount of force, thats out of the question as well.

First post

Originally posted by JayFlores
reply to post by Testsubject3

 

Shyte isnt always going to go as planned being the operative term here. Everyone is different and do things different. I just know what Ive experienced and I have yet to be put down with a shot to the throat or a kick to the knee. I have put people down with both( a Samoan bouncer at Cotton Eyed Joes in Tenn.with a ridge hand to the throat and a biker at The White Eagle in Florida with a kick to the knee. First ones that come to mind) and I know they are effective. I just prefer to grapple now due to the weird diseases out there and the fact that most people are like a fish out of water on the ground. That being said, most people dont stand stationary in a confrontation and this makes it hard to land a pre planned strike. I use whatever they give me and take advantage of it.

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You contradict yourself, but that is cool I just don't understand what your two post in reference with mine mean. You didn't agree with anything I said, yet you took someone down by throat shot and a knee shot, which is pretty impressive since "I dont think anyone is going to stand still while you smash their knee" I think I heard of you now. You must be grease lighting, the guy who can kick like a mule and can hit the knee at the perfect angle with a reasonable amount of force, for a commoner like me that is out of the question, I guess.

You should take many classes of different martial arts.

I've taken several, and I've always been SEVERELY disappointed at the number of actually plausible moves you learn. I'd say 10% or less are actually applicable to a fight. The rest is just working up a sweat and thinking "wouldn't that be cool?"

You'd also be amazed at how many great fighters and excellent techniques can be absolutely negated by a good jab...or fast shoes.

I used to be a boxer I was 2-0 1 KO, I was with one of my friends a few months ago on ESPN 2 Friday night fights to help him out, although he lost. I got out of it cause I found my calling in a different arena of life and the knockout I had on someone made me feel to bad cause he was hurt, it wasn't for me.


On Martials arts you can't go wrong really in the end. I am a 3rd degree blackbelt in Shotokan my brother a 8th, Thats my choice mixed with boxing and I dabble with a little of everything, I actually call my style '' The universal adaptive '' . lol

I think Martial arts is there for a purpose alot of people overlook, yes it's for self defense, but in the end once you climb the ladder in belts, you find it's more of self discipline.

In any fight even if you have a 10 th degree black belt in ANYTHING, you will get your ass whipped if you cannot control the arts between the ears. Martial arts can only take you so far. All in the mind my friends.

reply to post by JAGx1981


I completely agree with you on the "all in your mind" thing. I'm only 22 but I have attended classes and studied a few forms of fighting, Hapkido and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I'm not a master nor do I have a blackbelt in either of the two so I really don't have too much say in this, but I do know that I'm very left brain logical and I like to think things through before executing anything. So even though I don't have a blackbelt in either school I attend I have sparred with some in my class that do have them. Now I don't always win, actually hardly ever but that more to do with the point system being based on form and execution rather then actually getting the upper hand.

Back on topic now I have come to see that some people are easy to read. You can almost figure out what they are thinking and what they are most likely to try next and simple acts that make their mind get side tracked (pain confusion etc) can easily change the out come of the fight. Well the point is you don't necessarily have to be a master in any art of fight to win a fight, you just have to think smart and be in the right mind set. I've gotten my butt kicked plenty of times and I also won a few in dojo and street , but the out come of the fight never varied much from the way I saw it going in the first place meaning before the fight began I knew whether I'd win or lose.

reply to post by OoohLaDeDa


Jujitsu or Olympic wrestling and Thai or any kind of kick boxing. On the ground or on your feet you have to be able to defend yourself. Learning just one style is like painting in only one colour.

Originally posted by MajorKarma
reply to post by OoohLaDeDa

 

While I am all for a person getting in shape and learning self defense (whatever the martial art) someone has been watching too many Kung Fu movies and is utterly deluded to think any kind of street combat is going to be limited to fist and feet, particularly if you are talking about a fight with the police, who are armed to the teeth. I am not going to say more except to suggest you take a look at what has happened to protestors and rioters in recent times and what they were up against.

I did look at them, I looked at how the protestors in Spain turned up in shorts and T shirts where the police are well known for settling things with a slap or a baton.
I would say the protestors were totally unprepared.
Having said that, as one or two other people have said, this is more about envisaging the scenario where all other options have been exhausted and confrontation is inevitable, and more concerned not with military or police but nasty civillian types that want to do you harm.

Ok, so there have been several pages of posts since I was here yesterday, and there are a couple ideas being thrown around that I would like to address. No reason to make this a pissing match, but we would be idiots not to discuss all the angles here for anyone who is truly interested in starting to train.

The first one is "learning multiple martial arts".

I do agree that no single art covers everything, but I do believe some arts are more efficiently learned, and give you a wider range of coverage than other arts do. I also agree that no matter how tough anyone thinks they are, there is always someone tougher. Not to mention the fact that the toughest of people have been toppled by much weaker opponents through unforeseen circumstances.

I have to wonder how many people who are typing here about learning 3-5 martial arts have ever even trained before. That sounds fantastic in theory. The main problem is the amount of time and level of dedication this would require. To make a martial arts system an intrinsic part of you so that you can use it correctly takes years. Those of you who have leaned a complete martial system know exactly why this is.

Martial arts are not a "what you see is what you get" situation. There are nuances that take years to learn to make things work correctly, like learning to develop maximum power using your whole body, to learn optimal muscular-skeletal control, footwork, relaxation, ego reduction, touch sensitivity, anatomy for targeting, etc. Wing Chun, for example, works at a level that is faster than the eye can really track, or the analytical mind can process it. It flows through touch sensitivity through bridging arms with your opponent, and because it is a principle based art, it does not "react" to what an opponent is doing, at least not on the conscious level. This type of training takes years of chi sau/go sau (sparring, testing, practicing) to attain, but once you do the results can be devastating. You can use some of Wing Chun's core ideas to fight, and they will make you better, but that isn't really how the art works at its best.

The second idea is that you will simply practice avoidance.

Guess what? Trouble will find you. You can avoid it all you want. As I said elsewhere in this thread, a survivalist's goal is to try to mitigate worst case scenarios. While you should obviously practice avoidance, and many martial arts teach this as a foundational principle, the choice isn't always yours. The concept of a disaster includes the part where you didn't see it coming!.

There is a reason elite military, police, spies and security people are training in unarmed combat. To be a survivalist, you want a good rounded skill set in as many areas as you can. Simply relying on a gun or hiding isn't the the optimum way to go. You can kid yourself into thinking that way, but to me this is like living near an earthquake fault zone, and neglecting to get disaster supplies because you think the government will come save you after the disaster.

I have a 2ond degree black belt in TKD, so I only have limited experience compared to the rest of the posters. My instructer was a middle-weight kickboxer and policeman. Since was out in the street, he knew what worked and what didn't and taught self defense accordingly. We practiced take-downs, rolling out and back to our feet, and hand to hand with various weapons.
My experience has been that once you have truly trained in self-defence, it will come back to you when you need it. It becomes reflex, no planning involved for the first couple of moves. If you maintain the "no-mind" mindset, you see escape routes, potential weapons, and possible attack strategies, all at one time. It is the nature of the proper training techniques. It's called situational awareness.
To those who demean TKD, yes it has become a demonstration tool, but is effective. I broke a man's ribs with a round house kick, and I've my nose broken a couple of times.
I argee that other styes should be studied. Akido has some wonderful footwork that keeps your opponent off balance. It also keeps your legs in a position to kick the side of knee or the front of the knee.
When studying, I take what is useful, and leave the rest on the shelf.

Any Martial Art where you can end the fight with one blow. Any bone-breaking arts (jiujitsu, aikido) and any striking art (i've seen boxing, muy thai, karate do well) should suffice just fine. Any mention of the sport UFC is automatically moot as it is a regulated sport and it happens inside a refereed event. Mixed Martial Arts isn't a martial art or fighting style. It isn't even a hybrid martial art. It is a sporting event where the goal is to win money by winning a fight. It's up to the fighter to choose which elements from which martial arts to use against his/her opponent, and you train specifically for that fight. You get no such opportunity to train for specific fights in streetfighting, only your mind and whatever muscle-memory moves you have mastered can get you out of trouble.

Originally posted by LordBaskettIV
No martial art is better than another, they are the same. The only thing different is the person who is practicing and how good they are. It's no different than what gun is best, it is all based on the individual not the calibur or range of a gun.

Thats partly true, martial arts back then were created for various purposes... some for self-defense, some for fighting, some for sports but some were also created for war... there's a huge difference between an sport and a art of war... Take Muay Thai... you can block karate, tae kwon do, kunfu kicks but try stoping a good muay thai kick... you have more chance to get your arm/shoulder broken than stoping it... and Muay Thai is the watered down version of Muay Boran which was the original version of the martial art which was created for war... They watered it down into a sport called Muay Thai because it was very very popular.

An average Muay Thai fighter will destroy an average martial artist... Muay Thai is brutal... really brutal... get a elbow or a knee in the face and tell me if that doesn't stop you for awhile...

I think the best combo would be Muay Thai or if you can find Muay Boran, Pradal Serrey they are more complete systems they'll use a bit of grappling and weapons you might want to go there instead. And BJJ for your complete grappling needs...

With those two you combine stand-up fighting in the most brutal way possible including all limbs that you can use as a weapon compare to most martial art that only hit with fist/feet and no one can deny that someone using knee/elbows in a fight has clear advantage over someone that don't...

And you cover ground fighting for quick and dirty joint breaking to disable the guy completely.

Originally posted by NiNjABackflip
Any Martial Art where you can end the fight with one blow. Any bone-breaking arts (jiujitsu, aikido) and any striking art (i've seen boxing, muy thai, karate do well) should suffice just fine. Any mention of the sport UFC is automatically moot as it is a regulated sport and it happens inside a refereed event. Mixed Martial Arts isn't a martial art or fighting style. It isn't even a hybrid martial art. It is a sporting event where the goal is to win money by winning a fight. It's up to the fighter to choose which elements from which martial arts to use against his/her opponent, and you train specifically for that fight. You get no such opportunity to train for specific fights in streetfighting, only your mind and whatever muscle-memory moves you have mastered can get you out of trouble.

Exactly!!!

second...

Ive been practicing my whole life.I am a black belt in hong kong phooey martial arts.I watched every episode of hong kong phooey,and perfected the chops,kicks ...Hong kong was the master.Maybe somebody can post a video of the great hong kong phooey.

This is what it looks like when you bring a classic style MA into a street fight.

One advantage is it might scare who is ever trying to fight you, or make them laugh the situation away either way its a win/win right ?

Viewer descretion is advised. (always wanted to say that but really Bad language in video)

When the stuff hits the fan, Martial Arts will be equitable to dancing, or tennis, in that they are all positive extracurricular activities.

When it all comes down, violence will cease to be seen as a viable solution to any problem.

There will be no more need for pistols, knives, plutonium, or deadly force of any kind.

In fact, you will have missed the point completely.