Car that runs on water? Japanese co. challenge to big oil?

reply to post by sizzlean


Ok so let me get this straight. Tell me if I'm right or wrong.
-You have seen two perpetual motion machines
-You aren't going to do our homework for us
-because the videos would be so buried by now
-It took you 3 weeks of research to find some
-You didn't save them at first but now you have a bunch of them saved
-but you won't do our homework for us?

I'm confused. Something about this story just doesn't add up

Oh well... all this fighting in here against each other because of different viewing points and different levels of knowledge. That simply leads to nothing - please let it be!

Regarding the topic. It is true that you NORMALLY would have to put in the exact same amount of "external" energy to split H²O (water) into H² and O/O² than you will receive by burining the resulting H² which will produce just the same amount of water that has been used before we started.
HOWEVER this is only true when we look at "conventional" methods of splitting H²O into ints components. I am very very very convinced that there is a way of splitting H²O so that you WON'T have to put in as much energy as comes out of burning the resulting H². How can this be true? It has to do with resonance! And the extra energy that you get is coming from the quantum vacuum.

As the conservation of energy is a general principle that can never be broken the way of splitting H²O most efficiently is to attract additional quantum vaccum energy that HELPS you split the H²O and reduces the need for "external" energy. And I think this is very well possible using a system that generates resonance in the H²O molucules to that they are really ripped appart by their own vibration which is ultimately fed by the quantum vaccum. All plausible systems that can run on water would invisibly use quantum vaccum energy to virtually run forever on just a litre of water. So after all - it IS possible.

Regarding quantum vaccum energy. We are surrounded by a sea of energy. The "empty space" in between atoms and even inside atoms is not empty at all. It contains enormous amounts of energy which produces so called virtual particles on a regular basis when it has "nothing to do". The quantum vaccum is just "waiting" to be used as some sort of energy source. Like Nicola Tesla once said - we will once use the same energy source as it is used by nature itself on the lowest possible level. Well, we already detected that source: it's the quantum vaccum energy (sometimes called zero point energy)! All we have to do is to extract that energy from the quantum vaccum. And that IS possible. See also: philica.com...
You won't even need water to do that. I believe that there are indeed MANY ways to extract the quantum vacuum energy.

Look up overunity. Look up solid state free energy generators. You will find that we are pretty damn close to bring the whole TPTB system to its knees. Once one of the technologies breaks through to the market the world we live in will never be the same again. This amazing revolution is just around the corner. May it be a water driven car or a smart (preferrably solid state) free energy device.

You can begin to count the few remaining days of Big Oil now. It's almost a thing of the past. You will remember my words soon.

Cheers

Genepax water4gas

Here's a link to their website. Looks familiar does it not?

www.genepax.com...

Originally posted by boondock-saint
the Rail Roads made a fortune back in day
from a Steam Locomotive while they only
pursued gas engines for personal vehicles.

en.wikipedia.org...

If the tech was a hoax

why did they make over 1,000
Steam Locomotives ?

Not one of these used gasoline

edit on 5/28/2011 by boondock-saint because: (no reason given)

I thought all steam engines use solid fuel such as coal (lots of it too) to boil the water and make steam which drives the engine. So instead of using gas they are using coal. I do not think this HHO technology using water as the source is a Hoax, but the shadow players are doing their best to keep it under wraps and protect Big Oil.

A recent thread on ATS on this subject was very informative until it got closed by the mods. It will be interesting to see if this one gets closed down too.

PEACE,
RK

Originally posted by Rigel Kent

I thought all steam engines use solid fuel such as coal (lots of it too) to boil the water and make steam which drives the engine. So instead of using gas they are using coal. I do not think this HHO technology using water as the source is a Hoax, but the shadow players are doing their best to keep it under wraps and protect Big Oil.

A recent thread on ATS on this subject was very informative until it got closed by the mods. It will be interesting to see if this one gets closed down too.

PEACE,
RK

edit on 29-5-2011 by Rigel Kent because: to edit text

But this HHO technology is not being kept under wraps by TPTB it is out there if you are gullible enough to part with your money.
They will send you dubious instructions on how to construct the HHO generator.
It is garbage, does nothing to improve your fuel economy and more than likely does damage to your vehicle.

Originally posted by pez1975
the company is out of bussiness and was a hoax read more here
www.greenoptimistic.com...

did you read the article? it says they closed down but was most likely NOT a hoax...and were a victim to TPTB and their reluctance for any kind of fossil fuel free world.

this was a very real invention with very real possibilities

reply to post by Maslo


I never visually saw a pic of the car, only read a little about it in a paper a long while ago,. but i would hazard a guess and say Yes, thats most likely the one.

to be perfectly honest, i need to research into the whole "using water/hydrogen as feul" thing more, since i never payed it *tooo* much thought, and never looked into how it actually works (in regards to the quote that it requires more energy to divide the H and O than the hydrogen will actually output).
but i will say this, @ whoever suggested we would run through the earths water supply if we used it instead of oil.. the obvious difference is that carbon emissions from an exhaust of a vehicle dont condense to re-form liquid oil/gasoline/petroleum/deisel which we can use again.., whereas an emission of steam does condenses to form water again, ie the water cycle

sorry if this post is a little vague and somewhat scattered,. i had to rush it for non-important reasons

Originally posted by Silicis n Volvo

Originally posted by pez1975
the company is out of bussiness and was a hoax read more here
www.greenoptimistic.com...

did you read the article? it says they closed down but was most likely NOT a hoax...and were a victim to TPTB and their reluctance for any kind of fossil fuel free world.

this was a very real invention with very real possibilities

It's the same old hoax story.

Invention/company mysteriously goes out of business because TPTB (conveniently) applied the hard word on them.

Same old story by the mysterious PTB.

www.genepax.com...

Check it out. Does it look familiar?

From Wikipedia:

Genepax Water Energy System
In June 2008, Japanese company Genepax unveiled a car which it claims runs on only water and air,[22] and many news outlets dubbed the vehicle a "water-fuel car".[23] The company says it "cannot [reveal] the core part of this invention,” yet,[24] but it has disclosed that the system uses an onboard energy generator (a "membrane electrode assembly") to extract the hydrogen using a "mechanism which is similar to the method in which hydrogen is produced by a reaction of metal hydride and water".[25] The hydrogen is then used to generate energy to run the car. This has led to speculation that the metal hydride is consumed in the process and is the ultimate source of the car's energy, making the car a hydride-fuelled "hydrogen on demand" vehicle, rather than water-fuelled as claimed.[26][27][28] On the company's website the energy source is explained only with the words "Chemical reaction".[29] The science and technology magazine Popular Mechanics has described Genepax's claims as "Rubbish."[30] The vehicle that Genepax demonstrated to the press in 2008 was a REVAi electric car, manufactured in India and sold in the UK as the G-Wiz.

In early 2009, Genepax announced they were closing their website, citing large development costs.[31]

Originally posted by Feltrick
reply to post by Praetorius

 

Solar, I believe, is our best bet. If we continue to find more and more ways to either use or pollute our water supply, we will eventually kill ourselves off and won't need to worry about TPTB doing it for us.

Solar is all we need, there is enough energy for anything we could wish to run if only we could properly research harnessing the energy of the sun.
All it would take is ultra-efficient receptors/converters and a compact, efficient battery storage medium. I recall reading some time ago about an MIT team in like 1985 who invented an ultra-efficient solar panel. Then they got paid, signed no-disclosure waivers etc, and oil companies continue to violate us to this day....

Who wants to bet that when a patent is applied for regarding these 2 things, people get bought off or disappeared?

I don't know how true this story is but I do believe the tech exists. I think the only way to get this mainstream is by the power of the internet. If we all spread the word via Facebook, twitter and other SN sites, millions will be in the know within days. Protests and an uprising of the people ensues... I'm off to post on FB now!

reply to post by The Ghost Who Walks


Hey jackass.
I never said I did all kinds of research.
I just said check this article out.
If you don't like that, don't post here.

All through the post, people are quoting the laws of thermodynamics, proclaiming 'you cannot get something for nothing and sustain the reaction.... Perpetual motion is impossible'.

What has that got to do with water powered cars?

The tech CLEARLY requires a top-up of water to sustain the hydrogen creation process. That's not a closed loop system, so to creepily quote the laws of thermodynamics when you don't even understand it is nonsense. Total... NONSENSE.

reply to post by DjDoubleD


Come on people, do none of you remember Stan Meyer??? He had a working fuel cell that would power pretty much everything, especially cars. He drove cross country in one. Google Stan Meyer Videos. But check out these 2 first. By the way, this guy ended up getting murdered the 2nd video goes into that further.

www.youtube.com...
&
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by boyg2004


Seems like everyone here is a biochem grad!

Me, even if I were, I would question even more what I THINK I know since we are taught closed-systems in most subject areas where the system is closed artificially. Knowledge is so fluid in most areas that this is required, to a degree. You can't change the curriculum halfway through a semester.
But somewhere along this process this closing of an educational system for, say, a semester or a school year has now become a monolith where to challenge the status quo is to upset existing power structures.
This is where mankind, collectively, gets our vehicles of progress stuck in the mud.

So before you tout your creds or throw down what school(s) you went to, put on your championship belt of objectivity and open-mindedness, because remember, it is with this belt on that man does some of his 'greatest leaps for mankind'.
Cheers!
(Not that schoolin' don't ensmarten people (... no? Embiggens?), it's just that attendance does not automatically generate intelligence,of which an open mind is a good indicator)

Originally posted by djbj597922
reply to post by DjDoubleD

 

Come on people, do none of you remember Stan Meyer??? He had a working fuel cell that would power pretty much everything, especially cars. He drove cross country in one. Google Stan Meyer Videos. But check out these 2 first. By the way, this guy ended up getting murdered the 2nd video goes into that further.

www.youtube.com...
&
www.youtube.com...

edit on 29-5-2011 by djbj597922 because: (no reason given)

THANK YOU SIR

Are there any more Stan Meyers/Bob Lazar's out there who have been forgotten/silenced?

This isn't like we're 'on to something', this is a big something...
This upsets the whole apple cart, which is why at this point in the thread I'm convinced that this is more possible and concealed than pie in the sky.

THNK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT EVERYBUDDY!
Your sharing is embiggening me as I type!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check 2nd vid, 2:45 mins in!
Nikola Tesla (who I've researched) invented a method of FREE WIRELESS TRANSMISSION OF ENERGY!
That was in the 1930's!
Now where are we at this point in time? Wires everywhere and GE is one of the biggest companies AND DEFENSE CONTRACTORS in the US! Scary, no?

reply to post by DjDoubleD


I've read and heard about this so many times now... the means to do it must be out in the open somewhere... if someone can get hold of the method used to do this then surely we can just start doing it.... why do we need to get anyones authority on how to run a car?

reply to post by DjDoubleD


Solar wont be enough for our energy needs. Thorium energy is far superior.

Originally posted by Silicis n Volvo

Originally posted by pez1975
the company is out of bussiness and was a hoax read more here
www.greenoptimistic.com...

did you read the article? it says they closed down but was most likely NOT a hoax...and were a victim to TPTB and their reluctance for any kind of fossil fuel free world.

this was a very real invention with very real possibilities

Yeah I just read this article myself. I was about to post this but you beat me to it.

reply to post by Maslo


I will look into this Thorium a little more, thank you sir.
But this Barronness in the article is active in carbon-trading credits? And in the House of Lords?
Club of Rome anyone?
While she is supportive of Thorium, if it is indeed something worth pursuing, I wouldn't latch on to the hijacking of this idea by someone in the peerage. It just rubs me the wrong way.
And anyone who has even heard of East Anglia University and the leaked emails confirming global warming as a globalist/socialist wealth re-distribution scheme and IS STILL TRADING CARBON CREDITS is an abject fraud artist in my view.
I appreciate your input, like I said, and will look into Thorim elsewhars. If you have links that don't deal with fraud artists and instead deal with people intimately familiar with the science, I'd love to see it. Post it up! In its own thread if necessary.

it takes ENERGY to separate the hydrogen/oxygen bond in water.
that same energy is RELEASED in the explosive recombination of the hydrogen/oxygen atoms.


water battery hydrogen & oxygen atoms water explosion
H2O + Energy In => H2 + O => H2 + O + spark => H2O + Energy Out

due to inefficiencies in electrolysis, Energy Out is always LESS than Energy In.

what this means:
you'll need a battery to provide the Energy In.
Energy Out will be less than the energy you provided to get the process going (Energy In).

bottom line:
you could have just as easily used the Energy In (battery) to power an electric motor
which, of course, is what an electric car does anyway.

cars that "run on water" will be less efficient than battery powered electric vehicles...

notice how small that water powered car is?
if this is such a great idea, why aren't they running a full sized car with this process?

pure bunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!