Supreme Court Backs Arizona Immigration Law That Punishes Businesses

reply to post by capod2t


What happened to all the raids on places of businesses with a high number of suspected illegals--plenty in Texas in motels, restaurants, and especially construction... We used to hear about these all the time....now hardly anything...Why?

Does e-verify ever run matches against the IRS databases? Seems like if that were done on a regular basis, even randomly, thousands of illegals would be caught BEFORE that little old lady from Texas calls.

reply to post by manta78


Arizona's view on immigration and the reform that it is pursuing was but just one of the reasons I chose to move here upon my retirement from the military (another being that a legal law biding citizen no longer needs a concealed carry permit to exercise their God given 2nd amendment right). Taxes are still a little brutal here but are something that I don't mind so much in paying when I know that they are going to a state government that still recognizes their people and puts our interests first. But that is just my opinion.

reply to post by Newbomb Turk


Arizona really does sound more and more each day like "the people's" state.

reply to post by capod2t


Well ok, glad to see you are back to your senses, because now you are bringing some valuable insight into the situation. People slam me with facts in the face all the time, and it is in being proven wrong that you learn to at least TRY to be right. And I still fail miserably sometimes.

Your suggestion of locking the border down for a time did not fall on deaf ears, because I have been saying the same thing for years. America has by insufficient action overextended its welcome, and has reached BEYOND the point that it can handle any more. So therefore radical action is needed such as this. NO MORE immigration period. For a time. Until solutions are in place and working. UNTIL AMERICANS THEMSELVES ARE BACK ON THEIR FEET.

Sorry world. Cry me a river. Go back home, because the promised land has become a corrupt wasteland of slaves and homeless.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Exactly..although not everyone is a slave or homeless in the U.S.... but there are too many, unfortunately.. And your position is similiar to a quote from an article I posted last night here:

Immigration reform will require cooperation between the U.S. and Mexico, said Francisco Alba, a professor at the Colegio de Mexico in Mexico City.

The days of the Bracero Program in the middle of the 20th century, when the U.S. sought Mexican labor, are over, Alba said. The Mexican government needs to convince its citizens that they can't go to other countries without permission, he said.

“We have to try to deactivate the migration syndrome,” he said. “Because the conditions are different. There is no open door anymore. We have to accept that in (Mexico).”

reply to post by manta78


Great question. We're asking the same thing ourselves. It's a long story but the short of it is that basically the ICE special agents (who merged with Customs special agents in 2003) have slowly moved away from doing immigration work and focusing more on dope and child porn. In the last 4-5 years ago we did two big ones - nationwide. Now it's spotty.

DHS eVerify

Above is the official link and it explains basically how it works there. We don't have access to that one

SSN Validator - is the one we use. Basically we can determine if the SSN is valid, as well as when and where it was issued.

reply to post by capod2t


Two raids in 4-5 years...for the whole country? are you kidding? That is ridiculous....

You should have access to the DHS verify database in my opinion.

The SSN validator is not going to give you a name, exact age, address or date of birth, (although I do see you get a date of SS # issuance) but I think that verification system is more or less useless for your purpose. How are you going to determine that the person you are holding, Jose Gonzales (example only),ssn # 111-11-1111 is not really Gladis Smith, ssn # 111-11-1111?

Seems like someone has set this system up for failure imo.

Originally posted by capod2t

How many americans do you know pick avocados for 14 hours a day down in homestead florida?

This always seems to be the great false argument that people pull out of a hat to sensationalize this issue. From somebody who has done day labor you couldn't be more wrong with this false statement among the many that you love to recite. I had to do this kind of work after the dot.com bubble bursting so don't speak for me. It wasn't for that work being there I would had no other place to go. Picking avocados is only one thing, there are a great many other things like moving furniture or a zillion other jobs that aren't as over-blown sensationalized like your statement.

So with that one statement what your saying is that you think Americans are lazy so why not pay somebody else who you think are not lazy the minimum amount a company could possibly get away with against the law so that customers can pay 10cents less for an Avocado?? So using your thinking we should screw over these "hardest" working people by paying next to nothing then screw over people who follow the law and live here that need a job who you assume are "lazy" to you because why not f-them because you're going to blanket call them lazy - That's what you're saying right? You're wrong.

BTW - I live in Japan now. They have a strict immigration law that works out fine. Everyone here is fine cleaning toilets or doing the jobs you feel wrongly that only Mexicans can do. They even found a way to employ the retired and old people who have no other places to go to clean toilets or do jobs other people would rather not do. This country gets along just fine with a strict immigration law.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Ya - and it's good to be back. Wow, what a week. Confrontations, aggravations...and a few too many glasses of a fine Cabernet got me to where I was last night.

Absolutely right about immigration on historic levels. There was once a day, a long long time ago (like when my great-grandparents came over "on the boat") when the US welcomed motivated entrepreneurs to our country to CONTRIBUTE to the work force, bring their skills etc. Those days are long over. The only way we're going to get a handle on it is 1) locking down the border, and 2) ending jus soli

Like I said in a prior post, illegal aliens are created everyday - other than the ones who cross over. What I mean are the ones who are here legally and then are convicted of particular crimes, and others who otherwise violate their current status, whether it be overstaying a visa, students terminating their attendance at schools to go to work, etc. I could be busy the rest of my career with what exists today.

reply to post by manta78


Well, two NATIONAL - nationwide - raids wherein all (or many) offices were active.

There was recently a criminal operation - nationwide - two weekends ago and ran all week, Nothing to do with employment. Never heard a blip about it on the news which was surprising.

reply to post by manta78

How are you going to determine that the person you are holding, Jose Gonzales (example only),ssn # 111-11-1111 is not really Gladis Smith, ssn # 111-11-1111?

We have many other systems with which to cross reference all the data, as well as physical inspection of the documents.

reply to post by capod2t


That is what ATS is for--we get the news out (and sometimes first) that the MSM won't publish elsewhere.

reply to post by furono

From somebody who has done day labor you couldn't be more wrong with this false statement among the many that you love to recite. I had to do this kind of work after the dot.com bubble bursting so don't speak for me. It wasn't for that work being there I would had no other place to go.

I appreciate your comment and commend your willingness to do what you had to do to survive. God bless you for that. And on the basis of your report of living in Japan, congratulations on your successes. Quite a different culture there.

To avoid restating the entire argument, the avocado statement was just an example. America has rightly earned a reputation of being motivated and the hardest workinig people in the world. We work longer hours than any other country (generally speaking).

Do I think we have become spoiled and complacent with a sense of entitlement? YES.

Originally posted by manta78
reply to post by Newbomb Turk

 

Arizona really does sound more and more each day like "the people's" state.

It really is and I am not just saying that because I now happen to be living here. I am not a native Arizonian, it's just that I really looked really hard at where I wanted to retire (retired US Navy San Diego, CA) and Arizona (Tucson) and what the state had going on as far as it's people (as well as the job opportunities that were available in the Defense/Aerospace Test Engineer industry such as General Dynamics/Northrop Grumman/Raytheon/etc...), not to mention the sunny weather, it amongst the rest of the U.S. proved to be the best by far.

Also I want to point out is that our governor Jan Brewer used ZERO tax dollars to fight the Obummer administration on the whole border/immigration legal BS. Her office stated that they needed an estimated $1.5 million in order to fight the fed in court and by about 2 months after her office released that statement, they had received over something like $10 million in donations from Arizonians as well as other donors from around the country!! So best believe that when Arizona said that they were ready to defend their actions in upholding the constitution in regards to immigration/border enforcement....that she is prepared to go the legal distance in court against this criminal in chief that is currently running this country

But again those were MY reasons for moving to Arizona. I am sure that many may beg to differ but I fail to see a state that can compete with the things that are most important to me.

reply to post by Newbomb Turk


Glad to hear you're diggin it out there. God bless the Gov, too. Where has everybody like her gone? oh, ya - WASHINGTON - sucks 'em all in everytime.

Christie/Brewer 2016?

Oh and before the "Well-immigrants-are-only-taking-jobs-that-Americans-don't-want" folks start crawling out of the woodwork, I suggest you watch this clip from a couple of months ago that was taken in Arizona:

Originally posted by Newbomb Turk
Oh and before the "Well-immigrants-are-only-taking-jobs-that-Americans-don't-want" folks start crawling out of the woodwork...

No worries, those of us who have held many of those jobs and still do are just waiting for the chance for one of them to say that to us in person. They'll find out real fast how a rough hand shaped by countless years of hard labor feels upside their head.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
NO MORE immigration period. For a time. Until solutions are in place and working. UNTIL AMERICANS THEMSELVES ARE BACK ON THEIR FEET.

Sorry world. Cry me a river. Go back home, because the promised land has become a corrupt wasteland of slaves and homeless.

You make it sound like the world is what is keeping the border open. To use your own words, it's the "slave owners". How can one slave tell another to go back home when the master wants him there?

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Wow, that was indeed well said. Last time I worked, I worked for 4 days as a laborer for a framing job. My job for three of those four days? Passing sheets of plywood, that weigh almost as much as I do to the framers on the roof. That is lifting almost your weight, above your head. Lets see someone do that for ten hours, I came home, ate a plate of dinner then went straight to bed. And people say picking fruit and mowing lawns is tough work that no one wants to do.... Gimme a break!

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
No worries, those of us who have held many of those jobs and still do are just waiting for the chance for one of them to say that to us in person. They'll find out real fast how a rough hand shaped by countless years of hard labor feels upside their head.

It's not that you wont do the work, it's just that you wont do it for less than $??.??. Many illegals will. That makes a difference to business owners. That is why laws like this are important although, as capod2t pointed out, it really won't make much of a difference.