Sarah Palin Is about to become the GOP Lead Candidate for POTUS !

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Gov. Sarah Palin has already visited Israel and visited with Prime Minister Netanyahu and
his wife.
Her foreign policy credentials look more impressive than the other candidates.

A prime Minister, with spouse, meeting a celebrity does not equate to "foreign policy credentials".

Justin Bieber met Netanyahu too, but that hardly makes him a viable candidate... or does it? AMERICA LOVES BIEBER!!!

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Newt self-destructed.
Mitt Romney has RomneyCare wrapped around his neck.
With all the rest of the GOP candidates, the response is always the same. Who???

All true, and Palin has the fact that she abandoned her oath of office, betraying her supporters, for the pursuit of "reality TV" and book deals wrapped around her neck. She's a quitter; a fun cheerleader, but not a reliable nor a viable candidate.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

It has already been done.
Back in July 2008 the price of gas was $4 a gallon.
President George W. Bush said Drill Baby Drill and just 4 months later the price
of gas was only $1.61.
It looks like you have a short memory.

Of course any statement regarding an increase in output will result in a SHORT TERM drop in prices...but just look at the expansion plans of oil companies. They still went ahead with projects that require oil prices at $100+/barrel. Why? Because they KNEW the price shock would be temporary.

Oil prices aren't just set because of supply and demand either...speculation has a HUUUUUUUUGE impact on the price, and inflates it a lot too. To the point where drilling more won't really have a medium/long term effect anymore.

Now of course you might say this speculation should be stopped. And you know what, you would be right!

And they tried to put a stop to it in an effort to keep oil prices low. Guess who stopped that effort! Wait for it...waaaaaait for it...the right including the TP fail train!!

The drill baby drill hogwash is only something to distract the uneducated masses, it SOUNDS so good an easy. In reality, it only serves one purpose. To allow those politicians' donors (oil companies) to expand and make more profit. At ANY cost, even if it means they have to drill in reckless ways destroying entire coastlines when an accident happens.

So please, do your research and don't just repeat complete and utter nonsense you hear from some wanna-be beauty queen who's primarily paid by big business!

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by aero56

 

I like this one better.
Leaders take responsibility. Losers blame others.

Palin pushes McCain staff aside as blame game begins

Interesting article about Palin blaming others for her looking bad on the campaign trail from super liberal "Christian Science Monitor."

Cute sayings are only as good as no one gives them any real thought.

reply to post by MrXYZ


Even your buddy Obama has reluctantly admitted we need to do
more domestic drilling in USA to get the price of gas down.
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He has a new capitalist advisor whispering in his ear what he has to say to get
re-elected.
I got my gas info at Gas Buddy.com. Check it out.
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Short term fix ??? OOPS. You blew that one. Wait a minute. I thought you knew everything?
Look at the chart below.

reply to post by Eurisko2012

First you offer up a poll and characterize it as Sarah in second place with the American people.
Actually, your poll is only of Republicans and Republican leaning voters and shows Palin is actually in 3rd place.

That really kind of sums of Palin right there.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
It has already been done.
Back in July 2008 the price of gas was $4 a gallon.
President George W. Bush said Drill Baby Drill and just 4 months later the price
of gas was only $1.61.
It looks like you have a short memory.

Looks like you don't understand economics. The catchy slogan wasn't the cause, it was falling demand that did it, along with bailing speculators. Carpooling went through the roof, people fled their SUV's and flocked to low gas mileage cars, and it was the summer when the phrase "staycation" was coined. People stayed home, and when demand falls so do prices. Believing the drop was due to some meaningless political chant is nothing more than simple gullibility.

reply to post by Antiquated1

Originally posted by mishigas
Time to create a new reality.

Yeah, that is about what I thought. Just make up stuff that makes no sense, is impossible, and will never happen ever and just say that is reality. I get it.

Unless you can give me the reasons why we as a nation cannot create an energy policy similar to what I proposed, then please keep your sophomoric comments to yourself.

Try to debate like an adult. New experience, I understand, but we'll help you along.

reply to post by redmage


Wait a minute. What about the greedy - evil speculators???
Maybe.....just maybe.....the speculators saw the Drill Baby Drill action taken
by President George W. Bush in July 2008 and THEN the price of gas went into
a free fall to only $1.61 in only 4 months.

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It looks like you may have to start thinking now.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by redmage

 

Wait a minute. What about the greedy - evil speculators???
Maybe.....just maybe.....the speculators saw the Drill Baby Drill action taken
by President George W. Bush in July 2008 and THEN the price of gas went into
a free fall to only $1.61 in only 4 months.

--------------------------
It looks like you may have to start thinking now.

Okay, I'll bite. Assuming your interpretation of events is true, and merely mentioning opening up drilling in a token way actually dropped gas prices significantly, then why the rise back to previous highs almost immediately afterword in that timeline you provide?

reply to post by redmage

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
It has already been done.
Back in July 2008 the price of gas was $4 a gallon.
President George W. Bush said Drill Baby Drill and just 4 months later the price
of gas was only $1.61.
It looks like you have a short memory.

Looks like you don't understand economics. The catchy slogan wasn't the cause, it was falling demand that did it, along with bailing speculators. Carpooling went through the roof, people fled their SUV's and flocked to low gas mileage cars, and it was the summer when the phrase "staycation" was coined. People stayed home, and when demand falls so do prices. Believing the drop was due to some meaningless political chant is nothing more than simple gullibility.

So, according to you, demand must have risen drastically for such a drastic rise in prices?

All we need to do is cut back on our consumption and prices will fall?

That only works if the supply is constant. Drill baby drill eliminates that, at least partly.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Even your buddy Obama has reluctantly admitted we need to do
more domestic drilling in USA to get the price of gas down.
---------------------------------
He has a new capitalist advisor whispering in his ear what he has to say to get
re-elected.

I got my gas info at Gas Buddy.com. Check it out.
--------------------------------
Short term fix ??? OOPS. You blew that one. Wait a minute. I thought you knew everything?
Look at the chart below.

edit on 28-5-2011 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)

Talk about missing the big picture. You know what ELSE was going on to correlate with that price drop? THE COMPLETE FAILURE OF THE HOUSING MARKET AND THE ENSUING CONCERNS OVER A NEXT GREAT DEPRESSION!. O did you forget that major economic event of mid/late 2008?

Originally posted by mishigas


That only works if the supply is constant. Drill baby drill eliminates that, at least partly.

Sort of. Considering the correlation you are trying to prove is tenuous at best. But even assuming it does effect prices significantly, and the drop in prices you are referring to wasn't DIRECTLY related to the collapse of the housing bubble, what makes you think that drilling for more NOW will keep prices lower in the LONG RUN? If oil is finite, then drilling to lower prices NOW will only ensure a rise in prices in the future.

So basically you are saying you dont car if your kids wont be able to afford the cost of a gallon of gas in two decades, because you want to keep the price of gas artificially low for your own use.

The REAL issue is oil is finite, we use a lot of it, and the price is never going to return to past lows. Just like a candy bar will never again cost a nickle. It's called inflation.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


Demand falling caused prices to drop. When prices drop, then speculators bail. It's really not that difficult to understand

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


The timing is exact.
President George W. Bush said Drill Baby Drill and then immediately the price of
gas went into a free fall.
The truth is you just don't want to give President George W. Bush credit for anything.
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Leaving for the beach. -Bye -

Originally posted by mishigas
Unless you can give me the reasons why we as a nation cannot create an energy policy similar to what I proposed, then please keep your sophomoric comments to yourself.

Try to debate like an adult. New experience, I understand, but we'll help you along.

Several posters have already done a wonderful job of explaining the huge flaws in your thinking. Instead of responding to them by discussing like and adult, you come to me and ask me to explain it all over again. How mature. Maybe you should explain how it would work in the first place. Explain Oil markets, OPEC, Globalization, etc. Then explain how you get around all these things. I just want the most basic question answered. How are you going to tell an oil company that they have to sell to a smaller market at lower prices. Then explain basic econ to me and see if you can get any of that stuff to not completely destroy itself once mixed together.

You are just saying random, happy sounding, impossible things that have been explained to you in this thread. There must be a reason that instead of actually explaining the flaws in your plan, you are asking me to again point them out.

How about you give us a little proposal. Start a thread on it. Present your plan. Then let everyone have a chance to actually DISCUSS it where it will not be so off topic. I will join you.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Short term fix ??? OOPS. You blew that one. Wait a minute. I thought you knew everything?
Look at the chart below.

Do two years take up a greater quantitiy of time for you than for others or do you just think 2 years of constant increases is "long term" relief? I do not understand the things you post to back your points and the points you make around them.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by redmage

 

Wait a minute. What about the greedy - evil speculators???
Maybe.....just maybe.....the speculators saw the Drill Baby Drill action taken
by President George W. Bush in July 2008 and THEN the price of gas went into
a free fall to only $1.61 in only 4 months.

--------------------------
It looks like you may have to start thinking now.

Of course it did, but again, that was short term! Within less than 2yrs prices were back up again...look at the graph you posted

And guess what's driving up the price...

Fact is, drilling more won't suppress oil prices in the medium to long term. It's not the fix the right makes it look like, it's a short term bandaid that allows big oil to make more money! But who cares about facts, right?

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

The timing is exact.
President George W. Bush said Drill Baby Drill and then immediately the price of
gas went into a free fall.

I see. So the fact that that dramatic drop correlates perfectly with the total collapse of the housing bubble and its ripple effects on the entire economy doesnt ring a bell for you?

The truth is you just don't want to give President George W. Bush credit for anything.

I see. What if I give him credit for collapsing the housing bubble? It wouldn't be true, but then, neither is your claim.

For a myriad of reasons, it is my firm belief that Palin isn't running for POTUS. The purpose of the bus tour is preemptive damage control for the new tell all book "Blind Allegiance." A lot of dirt will be shaken out from under the rug. Here is a rank and file Amazon customer review:

Wow, in all of these regards, this book is a winner. Frank Bailey paints a realistic and believable picture of a woman who has used fear and ignorance as stepping stones into national prominence, otherwise bypassing the traits and qualities that we Americans should hold dear in politicians....In the end, Bailey successfully and persuasively paints Palin as what she really seems to be - a power and money hungry yet completely unintelligent woman that relies on vague and often very strange methods of leadership, and how this supposed "leadership" was actually a total abandonment of her post (governor of Alaska) because she was simply too annoyed at the aspects of her job to continue. A highly recommend this book to all who believe that politics are worth reading about, especially Republican voters who are still unsure of whom they prefer in 2012.

Yes an Amazon book review why not? As valid as any other partisan source:
www.amazon.com...=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

I think she might be eyeing the available Senate seat in Arizona which is why she purchased house there. Her type of xenophobic voter base. Hence the faux patriotic bus hoopla to keep her "Brand" in forefront. Makes perfect sense to me.

/MD

I don't think she expects to win, it's all one big publicity stunt...like a more elaborate version of what Trump did. She just wants to be famous, so she can sell more books, and get paid $100,000+ per speech. She will go wherever the money tells her to go. And it definitely helps to make some crazy statements along the way, just to make sure you stay in the news

Originally posted by mishigas
So, according to you, demand must have risen drastically for such a drastic rise in prices?

Not my words, and I never said anything of the sort. I was discussing how the fall wasn't due to a political lobbyist written slogan. If you'd like to discuss the rise we can certainly do that, but things aren't as simplistic as as you would like to portray them.

Originally posted by mishigas
All we need to do is cut back on our consumption and prices will fall?

Relatively speaking, yes.

Originally posted by mishigas
That only works if the supply is constant.

Exactly, which is why your original "question" is a red herring. OPEC reducing output (cutting supply to better match lowered demand) and speculators jumping back on the bandwagon as prices bottomed out are why we had such a drastic rise in prices again. Buy low, sell high.

Originally posted by mishigas
Drill baby drill eliminates that, at least partly.

Not even close. Domestic refineries are already operating at/near capacity; so more oil doesn't necessarily = more/cheaper gasoline. Also, an increase in domestic oil production would likely be met with further OPEC reductions in production, thus balancing the price wherever the oil companies/OPEC wish it to be.

Oil companies, and their slogan-writing "drill, baby, drill" lobbyists are only interested in one thing... profits. They will do whatever it takes to keep raking in those record-breaking quarterly billions, and domestic drilling is nothing more than providing them further outlets to do so. Domestic drilling equals reduced shipping/transportation costs, and that means more profits for the oil companies! What domestic drilling doesn't mean is them passing on those savings to the final consumer (less profits).