Canadian Couple Decides to Raise 'Genderless' Baby

Originally posted by Seekeye2
I assume the child has been born an Aphrodite hence - born with both genitalia. In which case I fully understand the parents decision.

The OP says there is no ambiguity about the child's genitalia - so I do not think this is the case at all.

Just 21st century hippies taking it to stupidity.

I vote for child abuse on this one - moreso if it is true they've bought their boy up in a way that's gonna get him in serious trouble in the real world - which doesn't give a rotund rodent's rectum about their androgenous sensibilities!

The MEDIA is to blame for this. Its only an issue because the Billionaire Narcissistic PsychoNauts are making it into one by ensuring its posted as headline news, this in turns becomes an issue where it wasn`t one before and people start freaking out and taking their Kids to a shrink to find out if their bi gender. Why the hell are they doing this? well because this so called reality doesnt exist to pleasure people for good, but rather to rip apart. Guess what, the Media doesnt care what you think, the Z's run it and they hate everyone but those who happen to be in their privy little circle.

Originally posted by awareness10
that was absolutely beautifully said,and you do speak for the Majority.


Oh

Originally posted by JR MacBeth
reply to post by RUSSO

 

My question now is: This is really freedom?

RUSSO, this is the question we should all be asking every time yet another insane, in-your-face attack on societal norms is floated by fringe, or foe.

This business of pushing the envelope has a long track record, and the sad fact is that it works.

On another thread, regarding gay "marriage", it's been amazing to me how "mainstream" the notion is now. Not that I personally care so much, but I see clearly that we are all in a pot being boiled slowly. Most of us have no idea we are the lobsters.

But back to freedom. It becomes more of a philosophical question, and eventually we need to get to the point where we all see that being "free" to hurt people (ourselves included), can only go so far. And yet, society continues down a seemingly very slippery slope.

I think we need to get back to seeing freedom as more of a "healthy" thing. It may be that we have a right to get drunk, but thankfully society has decided that we may not get drunk, and then drive, without sometimes severe consequences. This needs to be what happens in other areas as well.

Where we end up drawing the lines will be interesting I suppose, and if it was all just some more or less "natural" Darwinian bunch of forces playing out, well, then whatever. But there seem to be powerful people with agendas. Call them the "elite", or the PTB, etc.

Why is it that I imagine some smug billionaires somewhere watching this whole thing, laughing, like in that Trading Places movie with Eddie Murphy?

This thing stinks to high heaven, for more than "obvious" reasons, IMO.

JR

Oppression from society to conform is considered a beautiful thing? Really???? America got it so wrong all them years ago, spouting freedom and liberty didn't it?

People are all very different and should be allowed to live their life with equality and yes individual freedom.

Exceptions to that freedom are when someone harms others or themselves.

reply to post by Max_TO


Can you link me the article where they are doing this?

I haven't picked that up in the two articles I've read on this story.

edit, not the bit about it being a social experiment..... Many parents try alternative methods of parenting.

Well wise Guy... you know why the world is OFF KILTER? and why ProCreation is no longer in Vogue, because it was contrived this way.

I'm so tired of arguing with dolly's. If you trust your Government and your Media, then go for it, im sure if you actually used whatever intellect you still have you'd see that most people aren't comfortable with it and thats why its being shoved down our throats by the Media, because they own us. Yes they own the Horizontal and the Vertical. They can make and break familys, oh gosh guess what they already did that didnt they? silly me. Now they're going after other attributes, as someone said here, they're sitting behind a Curtain in their cushie little surroundings drinking jin and laughing their ### off at You because you're playing right into their grubby little plan willingly.

Originally posted by JonoEnglish

Originally posted by awareness10
that was absolutely beautifully said,and you do speak for the Majority.


Oh

Originally posted by JR MacBeth
reply to post by RUSSO

 

My question now is: This is really freedom?

RUSSO, this is the question we should all be asking every time yet another insane, in-your-face attack on societal norms is floated by fringe, or foe.

This business of pushing the envelope has a long track record, and the sad fact is that it works.

On another thread, regarding gay "marriage", it's been amazing to me how "mainstream" the notion is now. Not that I personally care so much, but I see clearly that we are all in a pot being boiled slowly. Most of us have no idea we are the lobsters.

But back to freedom. It becomes more of a philosophical question, and eventually we need to get to the point where we all see that being "free" to hurt people (ourselves included), can only go so far. And yet, society continues down a seemingly very slippery slope.

I think we need to get back to seeing freedom as more of a "healthy" thing. It may be that we have a right to get drunk, but thankfully society has decided that we may not get drunk, and then drive, without sometimes severe consequences. This needs to be what happens in other areas as well.

Where we end up drawing the lines will be interesting I suppose, and if it was all just some more or less "natural" Darwinian bunch of forces playing out, well, then whatever. But there seem to be powerful people with agendas. Call them the "elite", or the PTB, etc.

Why is it that I imagine some smug billionaires somewhere watching this whole thing, laughing, like in that Trading Places movie with Eddie Murphy?

This thing stinks to high heaven, for more than "obvious" reasons, IMO.

JR

Oppression from society to conform is considered a beautiful thing? Really???? America got it so wrong all them years ago, spouting freedom and liberty didn't it?

People are all very different and should be allowed to live their life with equality and yes individual freedom.

Exceptions to that freedom are when someone harms others or themselves.

reply to post by awareness10


That's a bit dramatic

I'm more concerned with gun crime, illegal wars, corruption and greed...etc etc

edit. it's not fair to bring that up for everything that happens in this World that you don't agree with.

reply to post by JonoEnglish

Source


I will do my best as I herd most of the reports over the radio while driving around from job to job at work today but here is something that I found ....

TORONTO - "We've decided not to share Storm's sex for now — a tribute to freedom and choice in place of limitation, a stand up to what the world could become in Storm's lifetime (a more progressive place," the couple wrote in an email to friends and family shortly after Storm's birth. Their decision was widely criticized by even the closest family members. The grandparents were supportive, but resented explaining the gender-free baby to friends and co-workers. They worried the children would be ridiculed. Friends said they were imposing their political and ideological values on a newborn. Most of all, people said they were setting their kids up for a life of bullying in a world that can be cruel to outsiders. Friends also began questioning the way Witterick and Stocker have raised their other two children. Sons Jazz and Kio are well aware that they're boys, but have long been encouraged to shun gender norms and express themselves in whatever way they wished. Witterick says five-year-old Jazz has loved the colour pink since infancy, is drawn to flared dresses and currently opts to wear his hair in braids. Kio favours purple and prefers to sport pyjama pants. Witterick educates her children through a system dubbed unschooling, an offshoot of home-schooling

Can try and find more , but you can get the idea . If you are so inclined , I can tell you what podcast to search on iTunes and you will be able to hear the very same reporting that I herd on the radio today .

I hate to be the one to break it to you but guess what .. Life is a Drama and Life isn't Fair. People can
boohoo all they like about that little in your face fact but the truth remains, thats the way it is.

Originally posted by JonoEnglish
reply to post by awareness10

 

That's a bit dramatic

I'm more concerned with gun crime, illegal wars, corruption and greed...etc etc

edit. it's not fair to bring that up for everything that happens in this World that you don't agree with.

edit on 24-5-2011 by JonoEnglish because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by JonoEnglish
reply to post by awareness10

 

That's a bit dramatic

I'm more concerned with gun crime, illegal wars, corruption and greed...etc etc

edit. it's not fair to bring that up for everything that happens in this World that you don't agree with.

edit on 24-5-2011 by JonoEnglish because: (no reason given)

Well one day, this gun crime, illegal wars, corruption and greed, will not be the main concern. Did you read the 1984 book already? Brave new world ?

Welcome to the Brave new world.

reply to post by Max_TO


Yeah, please do my friend.

But I will have to bear in mind the possible bias of opinion relating to this story by the reporters. We know what journalism is like.

Friends also began questioning the way Witterick and Stocker have raised their other two children. Sons Jazz and Kio are well aware that they're boys, but have long been encouraged to shun gender norms and express themselves in whatever way they wished

Word not from the parents but from worried friends.

Witterick says five-year-old Jazz has loved the colour pink since infancy, is drawn to flared dresses and currently opts to wear his hair in braids. Kio favours purple and prefers to sport pyjama pants.

From the parents.

reply to post by RUSSO


1984 was a great read, the film was dire.

My point was, putting this story down to the NWO or whatever to destabilise society is a little unfair and a little off topic.

reply to post by JonoEnglish


And the parents version of UN-school , in there own words ...

... a child’s curiosity. There are no report cards, no textbooks and no tests. For unschoolers, learning is about exploring and asking questions, and allowing children to set their own agendas based on their interests.

Guess they don't like the term home school either

Ok 1 sec and will post the iTunes podcast info for the radio show ... Bare with me

Yes i read it in gr.8 way back in 1984.
And im glad this illusory place isnt real. I admit though it is easy to get caught up in the moment, my bad.

Originally posted by RUSSO

Originally posted by JonoEnglish
reply to post by awareness10

 

That's a bit dramatic

I'm more concerned with gun crime, illegal wars, corruption and greed...etc etc

edit. it's not fair to bring that up for everything that happens in this World that you don't agree with.

edit on 24-5-2011 by JonoEnglish because: (no reason given)

Well one day, this gun crime, illegal wars, corruption and greed, will not be the main concern. Did you read the 1984 book already? Brave new world ?

Welcome to the Brave new world.

Originally posted by JonoEnglish
reply to post by RUSSO

 

1984 was a great read, the film was dire.

My point was, putting this story down to the NWO or whatever to destabilise society is a little unfair and a little off topic.

Sorry mate, but not off topic at all

reply to post by awareness10


Yeah a great book.

No need to feel bad, it's just your opinion.

reply to post by awareness10


Not real?

I think I HAVE to read this again.

BRAVE new world, as well..

This is an issue that is left up to the parents, really. I may think they are horribly misguided in their efforts - but if I used "I think you're stupid" as justification for utilizing government authority to tell people what they can and can't do... then I'd be a dictator - and a rather oppressive one, because I'm a bit of an egotist like that.

Really, the retardation here begins with the whole lack of understanding the difference between sex and gender. I'm male. I have the appropriate sets of "X" and "Y" chromosomes that govern a lot of processes in my body (like the production of sperm and other such things related to being a male). I could be a power-wearer of dresses and feminine attire - and it not change that fact. I can have all the surgeries money can buy - and that not change.

Now - gender is a bit of a different subject. Gender is how we identify ourselves - and in a slightly different context, how we interact with others in society and with our partners in relationships. We tend to identify one's gender as being male or female - but it really tends to be specific to a given role. Some guys - while perfectly male - will take up the 'feminine' roles in a relationship with a female, and vice-versa, though both identify themselves as being the sex they are.

Really - if I had a kid - it's pretty clear what your sex is. Look between your legs - unless you've got a rather rare phenomena going on, there - it should be immediately obvious. Now - your gender and gender roles... no one can really decide that but you, and just because you decide to do the house cleaning in a relationship doesn't mean you are "a girl" - or just because a female drives a tractor and lumberjacks as a hobby doesn't mean she's a "man."

'Strangely' - some of the tomboys in school have turned out to be some of the most classy women after high school. They may not wear dresses all the time, or care for manicures... but when they decide to dress and impress - that they do, and expertly avoid looking trashy.

reply to post by JonoEnglish


Click on this link www.640toronto.com... and then click Charals Adler, located just under the title , click links for full audio ....

It will take you right to the iTunes DL

Sadly I can't tell you which part number it was , one of the earlier ones though .

There were more reports then just his but if I had to offer one up for you to check out , it would be his peace .

I aprecheate you showing an interest to delve a little deeper into the story rather then just base an opinion on the one report offered in the OP . I would be interested to hear your thoughts after you have done some digging my friend .

I also ask that you keep an open mind and don't down right reject that the parents just might be using manipulation .

Originally posted by RUSSO

Originally posted by JonoEnglish
reply to post by RUSSO

 

1984 was a great read, the film was dire.

My point was, putting this story down to the NWO or whatever to destabilise society is a little unfair and a little off topic.

Sorry mate, but not off topic at all

You won't believe the amount of posts I make that get removed for being 'off topic'! ...when i'm just responding to a previous post. I want an off topic button, that would make me happy.....payback time

reply to post by Max_TO


hey, thanks Max.

it's five to three in the morning here Dam... I only logged on for a few minutes

I'll give it a listen to tomorrow and put a reply up .