Only the Beginning - The REAL Reason behind May 21st, 2011 and the Rapture Prophecy

Well i was thinking it but you put it into words, i think we were all thinking something like this... thank you OP, good show

reply to post by gwydionblack


cant beleieve nothing happend

Originally posted by gwydionblack
So now that May 21st has come and gone for the entire world, we can finally put to rest the prophesy of Harold Camping that the rapture would sweep all the righteous away. The man has disappeared, but the wake he has left behind him is astounding, and in my opinion - a controlled deception.

You wanted the noun "prophecy". The word "prophesy" is a verb. I see you got it correct below.

Certainly Camping has left behind a lot of bewildered followers.

So you are going to argue that there is a controlled deception. This looks like an interesting conspiracy theory. I look forward to reading your evidence below.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
There is a reason for it all. There is a reason that the powers that be allowed the message of May 21st to become so widespread; that they allowed the main stream media to report on it and subsequently pass it off as a bad joke. What has happened with the date is not just a failed prophecy, but the painting of a picture that is intended to last within the minds of all for years to come.

The "powers that be". The phrase is first found in Tyndale's translation of the Bible. Romans 13:1 to be precise. The context is the authority given to the Government and other ruling authorities by God (to rule). I assume you are referring to the Government and other ruling authorities, in absence of any other identification of who you are talking about.

I rather think that the reason Harold Camping was allowed to continue preaching is that the US constitution protects his free speech and guarantees freedom of religion. This was recently confirmed by the Supreme Court who upheld the Westboro Baptist church's right to protest with anti-gay placards at the funerals of members of the military. They rightly described the group as "loathsome" and "universally despised". They ruled that "The price of free speech is that we have to put up with the worst of it." The same principle applies to Camping... unless you don't agree with the constitution!?

The main-stream-media was allowed to report on it because of "freedom of the press", also guaranteed by the first amendment to the constitution.

I certainly agree with you that the Camping affair is etched into the minds of people everywhere for many years to come. It has made it utterly clear that listening to doom mongers and false prophets can have dire consequences. In this case over 100 million dollars was committed by his followers to his futile and idiotic cause. Many emptied their bank accounts or sold assets, being totally convinced that his faulty "mathematical" argument was valid. Had they received even a moderate mathematical education, or learned to develop their critical thinking skills, they would have easily spotted the flaws in his argument.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
"Anyone who believes in such wacky ideas like this - is a complete loon."

That is probably not true. Most of these people were probably gullible, not lunatic. Most likely a majority of them were perfectly sane individuals. However, they had never been taught how to analyse information and check it for themselves. They needed to be told what to do by someone else. This is a clear case of the blind leading the blind. Harold Camping on the other hand was certainly unhinged.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
I feel that October will be the second of the days to discredit those who have ever called for something drastic to happen to the world - to silence all the purveyors of 2012 and anything that might come.

You've stopped making sense. What happens in October? Which day in particular?

Originally posted by gwydionblack
Regardless of what government are doing behind close doors to prepare for some kind of event, regardless how many signs point to some kind of change in the woodwork, and regardless of how chaotic this world comes or how many lies the people finally figure out - those who spread possibility, who spread information, who preach about the end of an age - they will all be lunatics, the same fringe who believed in May 21st and the rapture. They will all become Harold Camping's.

Where is this going? What event?

"Change in the woodwork"? Did you mix metaphors?

"spread possibility"? What does this phrase mean? Do you think that somehow the Government is trying to clamp down on people "making conspiracies up"?

Did it occur to you that people who "spread possibility" about fictitious doomsday events are by definition "fringe" and that there may be a reason they are referred to as lunatic? Have you learned nothing from the Camping affair? No matter how much you believe something that you feel is right, if it has no evidence to back it up, you have absolutely no moral right to delude other gullible individuals with your crazy ramblings. Such delusion has consequences, which can be easily perceived by examining what happened to Camping's followers.

Are you arguing that in the wake of the Camping affair that we should encourage false prophecy, fear mongering, doomsday predictions based on nothing more than incorrect interpretation of evidence and general ignorance?

Either way, the Government is not going to stop lunatics like this. I am sure they would if they could. But they surely wont.

Besides, they must uphold the right to free speech, freedom of religion, of association and a free press. We must hold them to that standard. (Recent events in the US challenge the notion that the Government is willing to uphold the constitution. The Government will try to get away with what it can and must be held to account for that.)

Originally posted by gwydionblack
Not that many aren't already. To some people the theories of the "end of an age" and the countless 2012 possibilities are all sure signs of a lunatic. Some people will refuse to believe the lessons of the past and many will continue to believe that the world and humanity as it stands is invincible. Some people will remain ignorant to the proven underground bunkers and supplies that government have prepared leading up to SOME event. The ignorant ones will be deemed sane. The ones spreading warning will be Harold Camping, will be the fringe, and will be ignored completely.

So you are arguing that your crackpot theory should be accepted, even though it rings of the same hollow unsubstantiated dribble that Camping was coming out with. And you make this special pleading on what grounds? Because it is you? Well, who are you?

I can't help but notice the lack of detail in your claims. You don't specify what event. You don't say exactly when it will happen. You just have a general feeling that something *must* be going to happen, based on some stuff you read on the internet about some underground bunkers. Your conspiracy theory seems to be based on nothing more than unsubstantiated rumor, circumstantial evidence and your general feeling of mistrust.

As much as you might be right to distrust your Government, the fact that you do not trust them is not evidence that any *specific* conspiracy theory has anything to it.

In actual fact, if you keep clanging the gong, like Camping did, and get people all fevered up, if you aren't 100% bang on the money with evidence to back up your claim, and if it doesn't withstand scrutiny, people will ignore you completely if something really does go down.

I for one would *never* make any decisions affecting how I live my life based on something written on ATS, no matter how stark the warning, no matter how loud the clanging. I have learned that ATS is a place for people to come and post complete nonsense. It never comes to pass, it is always unsubstantiated and it is rarely critically analysed. Posts are full of scientific inaccuracies, delusion, speculation, half truths, hoaxes, wild fantasies, misapprehensions, demonstrations of poor education and general ignorance.

After so many threads which are so woefully unsupported, peddling failed prophecies and predictions one after the other, I am absolutely certain that I would be an idiot of the first order to change some aspect of my life based on information posted here.

So keep clanging the gong over your general feeling of mistrust and unspecified future events at an unspecified time due to your conspiratorial "powers that be". I am utterly immune.

The Camping affair was not necessary to teach me that.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
To me, and and I daresay to many others, we recognize the changes in the world over the past couple of years.

Again, I note that you don't specify what you are talking about, let alone provide evidence.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
Some will try to rationalize it under science, even though it does not do justice to past evidence.

It's hard to have any conception of how to answer you, given that you did not specify what you were talking about in the first place.

Strange that you would consider scientific rationalization as a threat to your prized notions.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
Some will try to subject it to coincidence even though to them - there is no coincidence.

You still didn't explain what you are talking about.

However, let me take a wild stab. You have in mind a coincidence that you wish to interpret as something conspiratorial and wish to resort to special pleading to have your conspiracy admitted as valid. I thought as much.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
The world continues to change, and at a quickening pace.

The flow of information (and ignorance) is quickening. This does indeed bring about an increase in change in some areas.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
Some will try to tell me that natural disasters have always been this bad in the past.

When were natural disasters not bad?

They were quite often worse in the past. In some areas, improving technology has helped us limit the damage. However, increased population has also increased the risk of massive loss of life in other areas.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
They are lying to themselves. Some will try to tell me that mass animal die offs are a common occurrence, even though only a handful can be found for any given couple of years prior.

Your personal ignorance of past animal die-offs is not admissible as evidence.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
Some will tell me that the economies of the world are recovering, and the the powers are NOT suicidally jumping headfirst into everything. They only make me laugh.

For the time being some economies seem to have stabilized. Japan recently went back into recession. Given our addiction to debt and greed, I don't see bright things in our future.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
The world is changing.

Pretty tautological.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
Regardless of whether it has to do with 2012 or any other man proposed prophesy,

prophecy

Originally posted by gwydionblack
there should be no doubt in anybody's mind that we are entering into a new age of humanity, of our planet.

In what way? How would you characterize this "new age"?

Originally posted by gwydionblack
But do realize that no matter how much truth there is to that- you will have to stay strong. If you think you were ridiculed for your beliefs and your observations before... just wait until now.

Do I really have to wait until then?

Originally posted by gwydionblack
Not only out there in the world, but here on ATS - ridiculing for the believers of such things is going to grow exponentially, and the entire time the powers that be are going to be watching and laughing while they prepare to hide in their shelters for whatever it is that is coming.

Maybe they don't know what is coming either. But they are preparing just in case.

However, you didn't offer any evidence that you knew what you were talking about.

So now I find myself at the end of your entire post, and you have not once justified your claim of a "controlled deception". I was looking forward to reading what you had to say on that and weighing the evidence you provide. Instead, what I read was unspecified, rambling and not really worthy of starting a thread, in my humble opinion.

Did you actually have something new to tell us, or were you just wanting to let us know about your general anxiety about the future.

Well, I hope this chat has been helpful for you.

Best of luck for the future.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
Mark my words. This is only the beginning.

Indeed, that is what I fear.

reply to post by yahwehsprincess


Yeah, I think you need to stop watching the horror films. Saying satan is here on Earth inside someone we know is just a little bit silly.

reply to post by Helmkat


But you are still stereotyping humanity as one single unit when you know damn well they are not.

Not all people are so gullible to believe all prophesy fruitlessly. Not all people are so opportunistic to take advantage of others in whatever way possible.

While it may represent a big portion, it in no way represents the majority of humanity out there. When you eliminate human reaction and take it down to brass tacks - our bodies and our survival instincts - there will always be a drive for people to survive under normal circumstance. You make it sound as if people should strive for survival, and whatever may happen we should let it come and forget about ourselves and our future.

Perhaps you feel humanity has contributed nothing to the world worthwhile to believe this, and that is your opinion - but I am in the group that feels that humanity is capable of some very great things and should take every effort to survive that they might be able to do.

It does not matter how many false alarms their are. What matters is the recognition that one day, the alarm will not be false, and no matter how much people avoid it or deny, this will not change the fact of it all.



reply to post by grahag


You create the false assumption that science is capable of answering all question. To believe this is to have faith and is no different than religion.

Religion may not be your cup of tea, but in my opinion religion and science can live peacefully hand in hand unlike how so many people paint it. Until science explains some of the greater mysteries of the universe that religion attempts to hypothesize about, I am happy having all possibilities laid before me and graciously admitting that "We don't know."

The religious explanations are just as likely to be true as the nonexistent scientific explanations in the fact that there is literally no proof on either side. What is needed... is faith... regardless of the situation.



reply to post by Feltrick


I never asked for agreement, but if you are going to disagree I would like to know why. Does it not make sense? Is there some piece of information I am missing that points to otherwise? Has the main stream media never been used to demonize conspiracy theorists before now? Are the events going on upon our planet my imagination? Are they exaggerated and NOT at an increase to previous years?

If you know something I haven't touched, by all means provide it. However, it just seems that you are disagreeing based on the same thing that you discredit me for: "having a feeling."

I don't claim to know when something drastic and world changing is going to happen, but I will keep my eyes open and watch for exactly what goes down come October AND leading into December 2012. Why? Because there are signs pointing towards something happening SOON. Eventually these events that are increasing in nature ARE going to reach a tipping point.

Why do I give more credit to 2012? Because I don't believe in coincidence. The date has been around for decades now and it is more than obvious that the closer we get, the stranger and more unpredictable our planet becomes.

I'm not asking for anyone to believe anything I say, I am asking, as is the only thing I ever ask of people - is to keep a TRULY open mind about the situation.

reply to post by gwydionblack



DEAD NUTS ON! You are WIDE awake. judging by the 138+ stars youve recieved id say many ATSers are! We KNOW when were being bamboozled. Why, oh why, is it however, that we do nothing? We are being good lil slaves and accepting what we are told. Knowing the truth and acting upon it are two very different things it seems. We need a powerfull movement of facts, evidence, and persuasion to pry open the eyes of the world. We are so entangled in our CHAINS of everyday survival that we are too weak(mentally and physically) to resist, let alone lead an offensive. We need an untiring truther full of brains, charisma, endurance, and a lot of fire. I dont think theres enough time left to prepare the mindless masses. Oh well, i guess, but remember once the weak minds have been weeded, what remains is a stronger humanity.

reply to post by XtraTL

You wanted the noun "prophecy". The word "prophesy" is a verb. I see you got it correct below.

After this, honestly I don't even feel like acknowledging your reply because I realize that you are going to be one of those people that nit pick apart every little thing in my topic while pretending you have no idea what I am talking about. Either that, or you actually DON'T have any idea what I am talking about and you choose to come to me for information rather than using your own mind and information abilities to obtain it. I will give you the benefit of the doubt here and I will respond.

The "powers that be". The phrase is first found in Tyndale's translation of the Bible. Romans 13:1 to be precise. The context is the authority given to the Government and other ruling authorities by God (to rule). I assume you are referring to the Government and other ruling authorities, in absence of any other identification of who you are talking about.

What a great assumption. I mean, "the powers that be" are referred to regularly on ATS, and I am sure on many other occasions that they refer to something else. Thank goodness you clarified that for everyone. Off to a great start.

I rather think that the reason Harold Camping was allowed to continue preaching is that the US constitution protects his free speech and guarantees freedom of religion.

By stating this you assume that the government is required to uphold the Constitution and that they have forever and always done so. This is an entirely different topic of discussion, but I am sure that if you look around ATS you can find plenty of topics and evidence to show otherwise. Or hell, a Google search would suffice just as well.

That is probably not true. Most of these people were probably gullible, not lunatic. Most likely a majority of them were perfectly sane individuals. However, they had never been taught how to analyse information and check it for themselves. They needed to be told what to do by someone else. This is a clear case of the blind leading the blind. Harold Camping on the other hand was certainly unhinged.

You make it sound as if I declared that the people were lunatics. It doesn't matter what the people ACTUALLY were that believe it, what matters is how it paints anybody in the future who might believe in something similar.

You've stopped making sense. What happens in October? Which day in particular?

Why should I care about your opinion on the May 21st subject when you aren't even informed enough to know the second date which was referred to by camping in October, and the same date that has been referred to by other in the past on ATS. I'll allow you to look it up if you really don't know, but if you DO know, then I was correct in my general assumption at the beginning of this reply.

Where is this going? What event?

I don't know what event. Maybe an end of the world scenario, maybe a massive change in humanity, maybe a great catastrophe. Who knows? I don't. You don't. The point is we don't know... and there is possibility for it every given day.

"Change in the woodwork"? Did you mix metaphors?

No... I believe I stated it exactly as I intended.

"spread possibility"? What does this phrase mean? Do you think that somehow the Government is trying to clamp down on people "making conspiracies up"?

Actually... I didn't say that at all. In fact I think the government is trying to PROMOTE making up false conspiracies. If you can care to read the other replies in this thread, or do a internet search, try looking up the story "The Boy Who Cried Wolf". I don't think it gets any more clear as to what I am trying to say than that.

The rest of your statements that followed that quote were basing off your last assumption... which was wrong... so I see no reason to comment.

So you are arguing that your crackpot theory should be accepted, even though it rings of the same hollow unsubstantiated dribble that Camping was coming out with. And you make this special pleading on what grounds? Because it is you? Well, who are you?

Accepted? It seems as if the denouncers of my words have the same assumptions made of me - like I am trying to force people to believe what I say and accept it as undeniable truth. Are people so insecure that they can't think for themselves and they feel threatened when someone suggests a differing possibility?

I can't help but notice the lack of detail in your claims. You don't specify what event. You don't say exactly when it will happen. You just have a general feeling that something *must* be going to happen, based on some stuff you read on the internet about some underground bunkers. Your conspiracy theory seems to be based on nothing more than unsubstantiated rumor, circumstantial evidence and your general feeling of mistrust.

There is a lack of detail in my claims because you are trying to look through my post for something that is not there, nor is it intended to be. My thread is about the most recently failed prophecy; it is not about convincing people with evidence that doomsday is indeed coming. That is my belief based on evidence that is readily available on ATS and other sources. I will allow you to make your own assumptions, but please do so only after having the all the information in front of you.

Once again, many lines following this are based of your assumption of trying to find evidence in my topic that doesn't pertain to my topic. You can always look elsewhere to secure some information, and maybe in the future I will make a separate topic about my claims.

It's hard to have any conception of how to answer you, given that you did not specify what you were talking about in the first place.

What makes you think I am looking for an answer? Did I even ask a question?

History is a science in and of itself. I believe I made myself clear in my opening and following posts in this topic.

However, let me take a wild stab. You have in mind a coincidence that you wish to interpret as something conspiratorial and wish to resort to special pleading to have your conspiracy admitted as valid. I thought as much.

More assumptions. You are 0/3 at this point. It really shows are diligent you are to paint my opinion as false my any means necessary, even though you made that point completely clear in your initial statement. I am not pleading with anyone and I could care less if my "conspiracy" is considered valid.

The flow of information (and ignorance) is quickening. This does indeed bring about an increase in change in some areas.

Forced ignorance. I stated the "world" is changing, not human nature in which ignorance and flow of information are a part of. When I speak of the "world" know that I speak of it in physical terms. Once again if you want to know about exactly what is changing in this world, it isn't too hard to look and find out in a topic that is about such facts.

When were natural disasters not bad?

That's right - because I said somewhere that natural disasters weren't bad in the past... right? No, I recall referring to current natural disasters being more frequent and damage causing the years prior. I don't think I could have been more clear on the issue, you are just grasping at anything to make this look bad.

Your personal ignorance of past animal die-offs is not admissible as evidence.

Yet the evidence that far fewer news articles referring to animal die-offs appear prior to last year and this year. Which means that either there were less, or it was being less reported. Why? Either way there has to be some reason behind it whether it be the fact that MORE animals are dying, or the media is intent to spread more fear than previously.

prophecy

Thank you teacher, sir/ma'am. I will be sure to run all my topics by you first for spell/grammar check before I post them.

In what way? How would you characterize this "new age"?

New. Not the old. You answered your own question.

So now I find myself at the end of your entire post, and you have not once justified your claim of a "controlled deception". I was looking forward to reading what you had to say on that and weighing the evidence you provide. Instead, what I read was unspecified, rambling and not really worthy of starting a thread, in my humble opinion.

Guess what, bro! Even if this were 100% true, how exactly do you go about getting evidence for it? If JFK was killed by the government, how exactly would you prove it?

I don't exactly have position in government. I don't have contacts that can inform me of what is going on behind closed doors. Millions of things happen every day and you may never see evidence of it - but does that mean that there isn't a chance of it being true?

If you are looking for some kind of undeniable, eye opening piece of evidence... well then guess what? It wouldn't really be a conspiracy theory would it? It would be national headline news. Obviously if you are here, a conspiracy website it is because of one of two things.

A. You enjoy conspiracies and look for truth behind the lies and withholding of information in the world.

or

B. You seek to deny conspiracies to no end because you dislike them.


If you fall in line with A. then you certainly have a strange way of showing it. However, if B. is more of your forte, I realize that matter what I say here will appeal to you anyway, and that I am simply wasting my time.

Did you actually have something new to tell us, or were you just wanting to let us know about your general anxiety about the future.

I think I just displayed a "new" piece of information to everyone. The nature and reasoning of your posting in this topic.




And before you try to attack me for targeting you because you "disagree with me", don't flatter yourself and don't waste your time. There are plenty of people that disagree with me in this topic, and I happily accept that. They way you did it just annoyed me the most and just screamed for attention.

Congratulations. You got it.

It does not matter how many false alarms their are. What matters is the recognition that one day, the alarm will not be false, and no matter how much people avoid it or deny, this will not change the fact of it all.

reply to post by gwydionblack


When the alarm is real, then the responce will be real. Your claim is that humanity is being 'set up" by the powers that be so that when something real does come down the line we will all just dismiss it.

I disagree. When the threat is real, warning will come from reliable sources. That is why we have tornado warning sirens etc. etc.

That is a threat warning I choose to believe, not the BS of some minister who thinks he has the God code or something.

reply to post by Kandinsky



Just because someone brings up a Harold Camping, or a Baba Venga, or someone on ATS brings up a random prediction and is proven false, that doesn't mean that there's no "proof."

For example, did you know that there were about 40 aftershocks in the Japan quake, each greater than 6+, a few of them 7+(to put it in perspective, the Haiti earthquake was 7.0), yet most of them were not felt, how(as a matter of fact, the number of mag 6, and especially 7 each year that are felt and reported are far less than you would expect. For example, there were 23 mag 7+, yet how many of them were actually "felt and reported" in the media)?


You can see them here:
earthquake.usgs.gov...

The reason that you can considered them aftershocks, and not "quakes from elsewhere"(that are caused by the 9.0 quake), even without the location, is that if you look at the list of significant quakes on the same sites, they are not listed.

This Elenin "comet" is pure destruction. That 9.0 earthquake and its aftershocks should have crippled Japan, especially after the main quake weakened the infrastructures, and the radiation should have been far worse. The problem is that the stupid ETs think that they're doing us a favor by interfering behind the scenes, and by not showing directly, then by default, they'll always make the skeptics look good.

Originally posted by Damian-007
If any of you believe that something "Earth Shattering" is going to happen in 2012, you're also going to be very disappointed. Same as this latest "Earth Is Going To End" Hoax.

I can't believe so many people actually thought it was going to happen.
Why do most of you believe all this crap without any Evidence? Why do most of you believe the word of one looney person out there that says the world is going to end?

It's no wonder this planet is in trouble. You just have to look at the state of people. They're willing to believe in anything without an inkling of proof. Even when there is proof debunking something, most of you still won't believe the proof and go with some story that sounds fascinating.
There's no proof that HAARP has anything to do with changing weather and causing earthquakes. But most of you believe that HAARP is doing evil things to the planet and there is not one little piece of evidence that HAARP is responsible. That doesn't matter though, does it? You all would rather believe some story that maybe one person made up and others latched onto it and started spreading it.

I thought Intelligent people would believe in things that had proof associated with events and not just heresay from one or more people. Then again, when there is proof that doesn't agree with most of your beliefs, you choose to ignore it.

When the military buys out the place, it's not used for studying lights and stars. It has a potential to be used as a weapon.

Just watch this and you decide. Of course, with your narrow minded attitude, nothing will change...

www.youtube.com...

blah blah blah

The world has been listening to this "end of the world" BS for thousands of years. Camping is just another in a long line of charlatans looking for attention. How about we all get out from under the rock and do something useful...

Originally posted by TheDeadFlagBlues
Well i was thinking it but you put it into words, i think we were all thinking something like this... thank you OP, good show

Agreeded!!! The attention that this story generated, by the MSM, is very bewildering. Not since December 31 1999 and before, has a story about the end of the world been so covered.

reply to post by NYCbeliever


Yes, I think the "alien" card is there, waiting for just the right moment.

As TPTB struggle to figure out how to grapple with the natural events occuring,
and work in their staged events...we may see them change the narrative as we all go into
these exciting times.

We need to expect that of them, they will be crafty, they will use every resource to attempt
total control. If it were not that we have an advocate, they would win.

We fight not against flesh and blood...:

I think in the most simple terms we are being undone by our own mass consumerism. We can't obtain "product" fast enough, and all this product comes at a cost to the environment. That cost to the environment results in the global environmental chaos we are now experiencing. Learn to live simply and we could be ok. As I typed this 26 more iPads were sold.

LOL! Camping now says the end of the world will be on October 21st.

www.foxnews.com...

reply to post by gwydionblack


I think one of the most logical posts I've read on this entire site.
That's all I ask is that people do not just take "news" & "prophecy" as fact. CHECK things out for yourself!!

reply to post by Alaskan Man


Great post. It's hard enough to bring these types of "events" down to common sense. You have done a great job. I hope that if the final thing happens and we're all gone that you and I can take a second on the other side, greet one the other, and shake hands... If there is a recognizable other side, and if we have hands.

Originally posted by sigung86
reply to post by Alaskan Man

 

Great post. It's hard enough to bring these types of "events" down to common sense. You have done a great job. I hope that if the final thing happens and we're all gone that you and I can take a second on the other side, greet one the other, and shake hands... If there is a recognizable other side, and if we have hands.

On the other side?
is that the other side of the crack pipe or the other side of the bong?

It's alarming that when a charlatan has been outed as a snake oil salesmen, the amount of fools that run to his defense.
Harold Camping is "the boy who cried wolf" TWICE and the OP sees this as a conspiracy by a government to prepare people for some nebulous nefarious nonsense.
Harold is just the latest incarnation of Apocalypticism and Blossom Goodchild / Y2K Balls and if the OP spends his / her life linking every world event with a new world order then frankly, I'm surprised that their mood is only
:n edge::
and not
::suicidal::

"This is only the beginning
mark my words"

yeah rite!