The Enlightened Ego - Solving the Problems of Awakening pt.1

reply to post by LifeIsEnergy

So are you saying I shouldn't add any of my personal experiences into the next thread? I felt that honesty helped people both relate to and trust what I was saying more. Maybe not, huh?

Honesty is of course essential if you wish to maintain your integrity, and you may certainly share as much of your life experience as feels comfortable. However, anything of an inner spiritual nature (especially meditation experiences) which may reveal your soul's "state of enlightenment" will tend to feed the ego, no matter how much the sharing is rationalized.

All the same, it is entirely up to you what you choose to share. I'm not the ego patrol.

I can relate to what mystic is saying here.

I learned, after sharing alot of my what I will call 'spiritual experiences', that these experiences were tied very personally to the 'I' of me.

Spiritual experiences, feed the ego. Mainly they have something to show to the person about themselves, their desires, what they long for. Or they feed the 'self' in a way that its in need of, like comfort or being loved or simply filling the 'fear of the unknown' with a 'known'.

And I can see what mystic is saying about how we can 'live for others' without sharing those inner experiences.

If we learn, through spiritual experiences, lets say the importance of oneness. We dont have to tell others about the experiences, to live our life then more as being of a 'one' rather then a individual self. What we have learned, will shine through in the way we live.

It can be very complicated and I have found that others spiritual experiences, are personal to them, have something to show them about themselves more so then for them to tell to the world.

Does that make sense?

But I do think we can look at all the spiritual experiences that have ever been shared by man, to understand this. That spiritual experiences are obviously very different to each individual and to me, this taught me, through reading and observing many others experiences....that spiritual experiences dont hold some worldly truth that another man has to tell to another man...but that spiritual experiences are directly related to and connected to, that individual and their fears, their desires, their dreams.

Learning this...and seeing how the mind creates things for us to feed what ever it is we are seeking or in need of, is not easy and many can not even consider such an idea that spiritual experiences are not some 'real thing' that holds worldly knowledge.

The true gems, are things in life that we can experience together, that we can show to eachother. Harmony and balance are things nature shows us is important and I think its things like that in which we will eventually learn to turn our focus to in 'life' and living.

reply to post by LeoVirgo


Not all spiritual experiences feed the ego. It depends on ones evolution and if they have subdued the ego enough to move a little higher. Some are meant to be shared some are not. Sharing experiences can help others on thier path, inspire them to seek for the higher, even trigger experiences in them sometimes. We all must conquer our egos it is a step on the ladder so to speak, so there is nothing wrong with feeding the ego it is how we learn it is not the higher we are looking for and eventually learn it does not satisfy that hunger to move up higher and we put it in its place and look elsewhere within inner space.

Originally posted by LifeIsEnergy
reply to post by mysticnoon

 

So are you saying I shouldn't add any of my personal experiences into the next thread? I felt that honesty helped people both relate to and trust what I was saying more. Maybe not, huh?

Peace friend.

This thread has already helped several just from the responses. Don't put yourself in anyone else's box share anything you feel impressed to share. The Buddah and the Christ and the many other great teachers of the race have shared much ancient wisdom, just think where we would be had they not shared anything...

Even if something shared is ego based it is still helpful for it is better to take the wrong path then to stand idol for eventually you will discover your error and correct course where as if you stand idle there is no progress.

Service to humanity is the key to moving up higher and I am not talking about just helping the homeless or what ever although there is nothing wrong with that as long as you are not feeding the ego of what a great and superior guy you are for doing it. There is a higher note so to speak where you serve willingly or naturally for lack of better words for the good of the race. Most of us have just had a glimpse of it if at all. This thread sounded that note which is why some are uplifted by it and others are angry at it because that note makes them uncomfortable.

I appreciate all that you guys/gals said, and understand it. It is a very fine line though, and I would agree with hawkiye's last post. What I say definitely comes from the ego, there really is no other way around it, unless you want me to speak like some fake guru to you. Even say if I mentioned no personal experiences, it may come off as even more egocentric and authoritative being that I am then acting like I am above all of this and speaking down to you. That is not what I want to do and so that is why I tried to remain very open and honest.

Let's be real about something, all complex verbal communication beyond maybe what is needed for basic survival is going to arise out of the ego. The very desire to speak is rooted in the ego. So of course there are different levels of this egotism and I have tried very hard to limit this as much as possible when writing these threads. Never will I say I have experienced something others have not, or cannot experience themselves. In fact, the very reason this thread was started was because I noticed how many others were stuck in the same place I was, and still am to a degree. I would never except a dollar for any spiritual thing I say, and I would never want the spotlight over others. Hypothetically speaking, 'if I was your teacher' I would wash your feet out of respect for you because I understand WE are ALL equals.

On another note, this got me thinking. Is it not your ego that dislikes what or how this thread was wrote? Is it not your ego that dislikes others sharing their "meditational and spiritual experiences" as you've said? Surely if it was not your ego taking in these words, but rather it was your sense of Self, there would be no problems. That almost seems a bit hypocritical to me. But nonetheless I hear you guys/gals and will take these things into account.

Peace friends.

reply to post by LifeIsEnergy


Writing and speaking about this enlightenment subject is always a delight.
Do not hide your light under a bushel.
Sites like these are a perfect outlet for expression.

Is it ego that makes the birds chirp?
It is the expression of life.
Ego is the need to make an impression, a mark.
It is the belief that it is possible to stain, to mark any 'thing'.

We are light seeing light.
There is no 'thing' to stain or mark.

I think this article hones in pretty well on the subject of enlightenment in relations to what is called "intelligence of the heart" a concept known as far back as the Egyptians. Hope you like it:

I will explore this in greater detail in later articles, but there is an exciting field of study emerging about the intelligence of the human heart. According to research conducted at the Institute of Heart Math, the human heart possesses it’s own independent nervous system and has as many neurons as the brain. The electrical signals produced by the heart also have the capacity to entrain brainwaves; in other words, heart-centered feelings of compassion, appreciation, and forgiveness produce a coherent electrical pattern within our nervous system that can pull brainwaves out of erratic patterns (fear, doubt, anger, panic, etc.) and into coherent alignment (acceptance, gratitude, clarity, inspiration, joy).

link:

Biosphere consciousness and the intelligence of the heart

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by 1Starman

 

Enlightenment was not invented by man.
Enlightenment can not be taught, it happens or it doesn't.

Enlightenment is what we are, it's just some have not realized yet.
The mind made structure was implanted by man. It is this structure that veils the light.

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What knowledge that you have is from man's speculation. Who in the material dimension can claim that they have achieve enlightenment. Do you really know what enlightenment is and how it can really be achieved. Enlightenment is a word used by mankind for a process which they do not really know much about.Do you really think that in just one lifetime you can evolve and elevate to the levels of what you call enlightenment.Do you know that with all the spiritual and other impurities in you soul,you will have to experience extreme suffering to clean all the impure coatings layer by layer to be able to elevate.
If you want to be so naive ,then we wish you good luck and we shall see how many lifetimes you will have to suffer to realise your folly.

reply to post by 1Starman


Who are you speaking for when you say 'we' wish you luck?

Enlightenment can not be achieved, i didn't say it could.
You are using the word enlightenment and it is you who does not recognize it.
Enlightenment is not a process. There are no levels to consciousness.
There is radiant light viewing radiant light.

Mans speculation is misguided, man speculates to accumulate.
There is nothing to get because it is already here.
If there is the belief that there is something to get, this strikes up the belief that it is somewhere else and somewhen else.
This sets up the search, which creates the seeker.
The only thing worth finding is the self and this does not have to be found.
Just recognized.

reply to post by 1Starman


Now this is a perfect example of an 'enlightened ego'.
Judging words like naive and folly and patronizingly wishing me luck.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

It does not matter who or what we are. In your present state of existence you cannot comprehend what lies beyond your human senses and intelligence. To learn and elevate to know what the universe is,you have to return back to your original universal form. Why do the yogi's meditate to turn off their human mind and thoughts so that their higher spiritual self is manifested in their physical body.You people are so arrogant and conceited in thinking that what you believe about the meaning of enlightenment is true. Do you know that this is one of the obstacles that will prevent you from even going through the first step of the process.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by 1Starman

 

Now this is a perfect example of an 'enlightened ego'.
Judging words like naive and folly and patronizingly wishing me luck.

edit on 25-5-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Lower lifeforms are not allowed to judge others, but beings of the higher dimensions who are trying to guide and teach humans the truth are not bound by this law.

One more thing. The word enlightenment does not exist in the spirit dimension.It is a word of the english language of the species of humans.

reply to post by 1Starman


Higher, superior, enlightened ego.
Judging and teaching and arrogant.

reply to post by 1Starman


There is no higher and lower...for all is really 'one'.

So in the terms of enlightenment, if you really want to get right down to it....everything we learn, everything we are, our 'being' in of itself as a one, leads us to evolving and growing as 'one'.

There is no reason for someone to claim they are higher if they understand oneness. There is no reason for someone to tell another they dont understand something because where ever one is at on their path....is needed for them at that time.

We learn from everything, there are no mistakes, for all has purpose in being.

Even you holding yourself on high...has purpose for 'being' so I have no reason to tell you your not on the right path. Where ever you are at and where ever I am at, is a part of the service of 'one' in expression and being.

This is not to say, that you can not teach someone something of value and that another can not teach you something of value. It is to say, all has purpose and what ever is happening, has reason. We learn through every thought, idea, action...through being.

What enlightenment that you think you have reached is actually an extended form of awareness. With the kind of mentality that you people are displaying,you cannot learn anything. What you think is true is an illusion and product of your human consciousness and not your true higher consciousness.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by 1Starman

 

Higher, superior, enlightened ego.
Judging and teaching and arrogant.

There is no ego in the spiritual realms. Ego only exists in the astral and material dimension. If any beings in the higher dimensions show signs of the ego traits,the universal system will automatically act and they will sink back into the lower dimensions.

reply to post by 1Starman


'You people' is a condescending address.
Oh one upon high please tell me what i must do to be as superior to as you.
Because i too want to see the world as below me.
Not!!

reply to post by 1Starman


How can you have any awareness of what is experienced here?
How can you judge what enlightenment is and what it is not?
You can only ever be the authority of yourself.
You will never know anyone else.
You will only ever beable to know the self because there is no other.
No room for higher or lower.
Just this.

reply to post by LifeIsEnergy


I can appreciate what you relate as your experience. I have experiences which resonate similarly. I can speak to the similarity of our experiences even if never precisely the same. And so I also see points where there is divergence. Which should cause neither of us the least bit of trouble or doubt, nor should it inspire a sense of grandiosity or superiority if we trust in a simple truth: Enlightenment is where we are at any given moment.

Namaste