It's Official: Obama is NOT a Christian.

Originally posted by Signals

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms

See this is what confuses me about Christians. Islamic beliefs are closer intuned to Christian beliefs than Jewish beliefs. All three religions believe in Moses, Daniel, Abraham etc.. Muslims believe in Jesus, the jews do not. According to most Christians Jesus was a Rabi that rejected the orthodox beliefs of the jews at the time. Many blame the jews for Jesus death at the hands of the Romans.

So where does all the support come from? And why does being a Christian automatically must make you an ally of a country that has more broken UN resolutions than any other country? It must be a hawkish thing.

edit on 20-5-2011 by Chewingonmushrooms because: (no reason given)

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Well, Chewingonmushrooms, that's where the Bible comes in.

It teaches us those are God's chosen people, and they get another chance to be saved, even though they reject Jesus now.

Oh, and Jesus was a Jew.

Jesus also had the same magic beginning as 10 other gods before him, weird for someone so righteous and divine to be born exactly like every other god and brought back from the dead just like they all were, without even 1 event that is not like theirs, including being killed by the people.

Wait a second. Something doesn't smell right here. You trollin', Signals? Yeah, you trollin'.

Move along; this thread is a parody.

Originally posted by Spirit Warrior 11:11
reply to post by steven704

 

This is the BIGGEST load of crap ever !! You are a Christian and you don't even understand the message of the MAN you are quoting.

"The kingdom of Heaven is WITHIN"

"Greater things will you do than I"

Christianity is supposed to be about Tolerance, Forgiveness, Peace, Love, Non-Judgement.

Fundamentalist Christians here are anything but Tolerant or Peaceful. They seem to be the MOST judgmental people on the planet. I find it very interesting that God is supposed to be the judge even though a vast majority of Christians tend to take that role on themselves.

As for Obama's religion... I don't see how you can claim he is a liar and NOT a Christian and remain non-judgmental !

You also cannot give him crap about being involved with that fundamentalist preacher during his election and then claim he is a Muslim and and Israel hater. You cant have the argument in all directions. Pick one. To argue all sides makes you guys seem like haters of everything Obama.

If you don't like the guy then that;s fine. Leave the judgement to higher powers and go about your business.

The point is he IS our leader and like him or hate him you MUST back your own leaders. To do otherwise is shooting yourself in the foot. That is why we have term limits in this democracy. Back your leader even if you don't like him and vote him out next election. It's very simple logic....well....who ever said fundamentalists were logical ...I know.

You know, I just watched "Independence Day" last night and I wish we had a president that could give a rousing speech like at the end of the movie. I used to say that, what you said, I mean, standing behind our president...but I can not support any of his policies. I feel that he is considerably worse than GWB, who wasn't exactly fantastic, either. I wish we, as a country, could be united behind our leader, even with differences, but it's just not going to happen. =/

Originally posted by Signals

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms

See this is what confuses me about Christians. Islamic beliefs are closer intuned to Christian beliefs than Jewish beliefs. All three religions believe in Moses, Daniel, Abraham etc.. Muslims believe in Jesus, the jews do not. According to most Christians Jesus was a Rabi that rejected the orthodox beliefs of the jews at the time. Many blame the jews for Jesus death at the hands of the Romans.

So where does all the support come from? And why does being a Christian automatically must make you an ally of a country that has more broken UN resolutions than any other country? It must be a hawkish thing.

edit on 20-5-2011 by Chewingonmushrooms because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-5-2011 by Chewingonmushrooms because: (no reason given)

Well, Chewingonmushrooms, that's where the Bible comes in.

It teaches us those are God's chosen people, and they get another chance to be saved, even though they reject Jesus now.

Oh, and Jesus was a Jew.

Yes I know that's why I said he was a Rabbi. I can understand them not seeing him as the messiah, but they don't even consider him a prophet. They view him as a fraud and believe the true messiah hasn't come yet. And if he was/is considered the SON of GOD, wouldn't he transcend race, and birth ethnicity? Why is it that non believers such as people that were never converted, but have lived good decent lives and treat others will love get cast down to hell, but Jews reject Jesus yet remain his "choosen". Why would one group of people be considered "choosen" based on birth (God must care about genetics), while others that follow the ten commandments unknowingly be considered hell bait?

Another thing that interesting is how caught up God is on genetic line. It makes one think if the theory of ancient astronauts hold some truth.

Originally posted by Spirit Warrior 11:11

This is the BIGGEST load of crap ever !!

No, sorry. This is the BIGGEST load of crap ever-

The point is he IS our leader and like him or hate him you MUST back your own leaders.

Respect his position? Yes, of course.

Question his motives? Yes, of course.

Trust him after lying about being a Christian? Never.

Originally posted by Sundowner

Originally posted by Jrocbaby

Originally posted by Sundowner

Originally posted by Jrocbaby

Originally posted by Sundowner

Originally posted by Jrocbaby

Originally posted by Signals

Originally posted by Xterrain

100% agreed. Israel is our longest standing ally. You are too right when you refer to the Bible as stating what happens to those counties who turn their backs on Israel. Isn't it a sign of the end times. Something about the world will turn their backs, then it's global persecution of Christians, then the 'yellow race will rule for but a day...' I haven't read it in a while...but thats the gist.

Thanks for that post

, at least one person gets it.

There is so much hatred for Israel and the Jews on this site, people spew on and on about Deny Ignorance
sometimes I feel I must not have gone over the "Conspiracy Theorist" rule book...Apparently for me to be "awake" I have to hate Israel

, and I most certainly am not allowed to be Christian either.

It's hilarious somebody actually just foe'd me for this thread. I guess all the rest of my work here is CRAP too

Obama lied to us AGAIN....But this time it hits home with me. Don't lie to me about being a Christian, just tell me the truth from the get-go. It is in our best "national security" interest to stay closely tied with Israel, their military and security....Instead of turning them loose to defend themselves. But the hatred on this site blinds common sense sometimes.

I mean, if you think Israel's military is a little rough around the edges now....

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lmao a nation turning their backs on god? How pathetic

What does it say about a group of people, where a 7 year old can become a preacher, and grown adults agree? Plus bible camps are the exact same things that Islam camps do, they just don't put weapons in their hands, they put a political agenda to change our nation, which is even worse if you ask me.

Hardcore members of any religion especially Christianity should be taken as a mental disorder, and diagnosed as such so we can learn why people like you want to ruin the world for the rest of the sane people.

I swear when I hear posts like yours I want to lose my cool and pull my hair out. When are people going to stop putting a blanket statement on Christians, and other religions for that matter? You should know that radical Muslims and people like the Westboro Baptist people are not representative of the whole. You get a large, nay, HUGE group of people, you will have crazies.

Then pull your hair out, because christianity and all the other religions will not survive the test of time, and will be the fuel to the fire that causes mass wars just like it is now. USA is only invading islamic nations as of recently, seems like a religion war to me when super powers of the world invade helpless countries in the name of terror.

If a group of people killed your/my ancestors for thousands of years, and YOU join that group of people, YOU are my common enemy. Living in a nation infested with christianity makes it even worse.

Once again, I'm going to point out that you are using a blanket statement here for religion. There has been spirituality in some form since ancient time. It is my personal believe that there is something "divine" and more than just this physical world we interact with, and I choose to follow this belief in the form of Christianity. Not every religious/spiritual person is a war-monger-er, see? Sheesh.

I would argue there are more religious people that have killed a person or committed serious crimes in their life than those who never killed anybody. Remember USA is only 300m people and the safest area, so naturally you would not have to kill anyone. However, if you were the same exact human being, just born in an unsafe place to live where your village can be destroyed at any second, you would use your religious beliefs to justify killing your enemy even though its for defense, while your enemy is doing the same thing to justify killing innocent people. See? Sheesh

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This is a good point. However, I A) can not know if I would or wouldn't use my religion as an "excuse" for killing others and B) you can't really speculate on me being born some where else, in a different situation, in a different country. You never really know what you will do or won't do until you are in said situation, see?

I think it's the environment people are brought up in that makes a difference, and you pointed to this in your reply. Example: I was brought up by parents who are far from racist as you can get, and I'm not racist either. I assume the same for religious extremism. (Which I deplore.)

Well there is more people that do kill in the name of, than don't.

Why would you even associate yourself with a group that has killed 1 person? Let alone millions..

It's fine if you have beliefs, but why do they have to be dictated by a book written thousands of years ago? Why can't you break the mold and create your own vision of god or afterlife or whatever? It gives you the exact same results.. I can tell ya that myself, I tried truly being a christian, it only lasted a week. Its a social thing that is it, you get together with a group of like minded people and discuss the inevitable death and how great it will be after that. It should not be taken so seriously, or with a book of rules of what to believe.

I would love to be a christian, but I can see through it and be even better imo because my view of the afterlife is 1000x better than those of the bible, and gives me courage to move forward and expand my concepts, instead of looking in a book to see if you have the right belief as everyone else or not, that seems hitler-like to me im sorry.

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms

See this is what confuses me about Christians. Islamic beliefs are closer intuned to Christian beliefs than Jewish beliefs. All three religions believe in Moses, Daniel, Abraham etc.. Muslims believe in Jesus, the jews do not. According to most Christians Jesus was a Rabi that rejected the orthodox beliefs of the jews at the time. Many blame the jews for Jesus death at the hands of the Romans.

So where does all the support come from? And why does being a Christian automatically must make you an ally of a country that has more broken UN resolutions than any other country? It must be a hawkish thing.

edit on 20-5-2011 by Chewingonmushrooms because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-5-2011 by Chewingonmushrooms because: (no reason given)

It's not necessarily about supporting Israel's foreign policy or anything that they do as a government, it is more about supporting Israel's right to exist. The following website has some good info on why Christians should support Israel. Granted, these are only someone else's opinions, whatever that is worth.


Should Christians support Israel? Why?

Originally posted by OrphenFire
Wait a second. Something doesn't smell right here. You trollin', Signals? Yeah, you trollin'.

Move along; this thread is a parody.

That's the 2nd or 3rd poster to suggest that.

What about my posting history led anyone to believe I wasn't a Christian?

Maybe it's the Drew "Breesus" avatar I use sometimes? Jesus had a sense of humor people!

I am never "trolling" as you put it.

Maybe my other subject material sometimes is a long way from this type of thread I don't get it...

Originally posted by Signals

Originally posted by Spirit Warrior 11:11

This is the BIGGEST load of crap ever !!

No, sorry. This is the BIGGEST load of crap ever-

The point is he IS our leader and like him or hate him you MUST back your own leaders.

Respect his position? Yes, of course.

Question his motives? Yes, of course.

Trust him after lying about being a Christian? Never.

I really feel bad for you and likely everyone you know to believe that the president is in control. I suggest watching some educational videos that shows you the president is clearly not the one making the decisions in the white house, he is just the puppet having his strings pulled, SO THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU PUT YOUR HATE INTO THE PRESIDENT AND NOT THE ONES RESPONSIBLE, AND ITS WORKING CLEARLY, YOU ARE LIVING PROOF

sigh..

THE BIBLE IS FICTION.
end of story.

reply to post by Jrocbaby


So far you have expressed pity. You have expressed surprise at such a "religious zealot" as myself. You have offered free mental health evaluations and have suggested seeing a professional about this problem I have.

Thank you, because it is the thought that counts. You could pretty much close your eyes and throw a dart at any of my threads and make similar claims.

With your wisdom, I am surprised you fail to see how lying to me about being a Christian wouldn't get me angry. He is the leader of the free world for crying out loud.

Please explain to me more about how the system works and how the president is a puppet, men behind the curtains, more stuff we probably agree 100% on

Puppet or not, it's a pretty big lie in my book...

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime

Originally posted by Chewingonmushrooms

See this is what confuses me about Christians. Islamic beliefs are closer intuned to Christian beliefs than Jewish beliefs. All three religions believe in Moses, Daniel, Abraham etc.. Muslims believe in Jesus, the jews do not. According to most Christians Jesus was a Rabi that rejected the orthodox beliefs of the jews at the time. Many blame the jews for Jesus death at the hands of the Romans.

So where does all the support come from? And why does being a Christian automatically must make you an ally of a country that has more broken UN resolutions than any other country? It must be a hawkish thing.

edit on 20-5-2011 by Chewingonmushrooms because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-5-2011 by Chewingonmushrooms because: (no reason given)

It's not necessarily about supporting Israel's foreign policy or anything that they do as a government, it is more about supporting Israel's right to exist. The following website has some good info on why Christians should support Israel. Granted, these are only someone else's opinions, whatever that is worth.


Should Christians support Israel? Why?

I personally don't think that there is anything wrong with Israel's right to exist. However your right to exist shouldn't be at someone elses expense. If Israel would be good neighbors and stop trying to expand while doing everything in it's power to be diplomatic while allowing Palestine to independently exist along side it then maybe they wouldn't get as much flack as they do. But I don't believe it's about "Israel right to exist", it's about scripture or interpretations of it. Wrong is wrong no matter if it's Americans doing it or someone else, to ignore it's foreign policy is to ignore it's wrong doings.

Reply to post by Sparky63

Total misunderstanding of Galatians.

Paul is saying that it matters not what nation, gender, or class you are in, if you believe that Yeshia is Messiah, you are one people. Gods people.

This is evidnced in the Torah by Exodus 12:49

“The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you”


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Originally posted by Jrocbaby

Originally posted by Sundowner

Originally posted by Jrocbaby

Originally posted by Sundowner

Originally posted by Jrocbaby

Originally posted by Sundowner

Originally posted by Jrocbaby

Originally posted by Signals

Originally posted by Xterrain

100% agreed. Israel is our longest standing ally. You are too right when you refer to the Bible as stating what happens to those counties who turn their backs on Israel. Isn't it a sign of the end times. Something about the world will turn their backs, then it's global persecution of Christians, then the 'yellow race will rule for but a day...' I haven't read it in a while...but thats the gist.

Thanks for that post

, at least one person gets it.

There is so much hatred for Israel and the Jews on this site, people spew on and on about Deny Ignorance
sometimes I feel I must not have gone over the "Conspiracy Theorist" rule book...Apparently for me to be "awake" I have to hate Israel

, and I most certainly am not allowed to be Christian either.

It's hilarious somebody actually just foe'd me for this thread. I guess all the rest of my work here is CRAP too

Obama lied to us AGAIN....But this time it hits home with me. Don't lie to me about being a Christian, just tell me the truth from the get-go. It is in our best "national security" interest to stay closely tied with Israel, their military and security....Instead of turning them loose to defend themselves. But the hatred on this site blinds common sense sometimes.

I mean, if you think Israel's military is a little rough around the edges now....

edit on 20-5-2011 by Signals because: classified

lmao a nation turning their backs on god? How pathetic

What does it say about a group of people, where a 7 year old can become a preacher, and grown adults agree? Plus bible camps are the exact same things that Islam camps do, they just don't put weapons in their hands, they put a political agenda to change our nation, which is even worse if you ask me.

Hardcore members of any religion especially Christianity should be taken as a mental disorder, and diagnosed as such so we can learn why people like you want to ruin the world for the rest of the sane people.

I swear when I hear posts like yours I want to lose my cool and pull my hair out. When are people going to stop putting a blanket statement on Christians, and other religions for that matter? You should know that radical Muslims and people like the Westboro Baptist people are not representative of the whole. You get a large, nay, HUGE group of people, you will have crazies.

Then pull your hair out, because christianity and all the other religions will not survive the test of time, and will be the fuel to the fire that causes mass wars just like it is now. USA is only invading islamic nations as of recently, seems like a religion war to me when super powers of the world invade helpless countries in the name of terror.

If a group of people killed your/my ancestors for thousands of years, and YOU join that group of people, YOU are my common enemy. Living in a nation infested with christianity makes it even worse.

Once again, I'm going to point out that you are using a blanket statement here for religion. There has been spirituality in some form since ancient time. It is my personal believe that there is something "divine" and more than just this physical world we interact with, and I choose to follow this belief in the form of Christianity. Not every religious/spiritual person is a war-monger-er, see? Sheesh.

I would argue there are more religious people that have killed a person or committed serious crimes in their life than those who never killed anybody. Remember USA is only 300m people and the safest area, so naturally you would not have to kill anyone. However, if you were the same exact human being, just born in an unsafe place to live where your village can be destroyed at any second, you would use your religious beliefs to justify killing your enemy even though its for defense, while your enemy is doing the same thing to justify killing innocent people. See? Sheesh

edit on 20-5-2011 by Jrocbaby because: (no reason given)

This is a good point. However, I A) can not know if I would or wouldn't use my religion as an "excuse" for killing others and B) you can't really speculate on me being born some where else, in a different situation, in a different country. You never really know what you will do or won't do until you are in said situation, see?

I think it's the environment people are brought up in that makes a difference, and you pointed to this in your reply. Example: I was brought up by parents who are far from racist as you can get, and I'm not racist either. I assume the same for religious extremism. (Which I deplore.)

Well there is more people that do kill in the name of, than don't.

Why would you even associate yourself with a group that has killed 1 person? Let alone millions..

It's fine if you have beliefs, but why do they have to be dictated by a book written thousands of years ago? Why can't you break the mold and create your own vision of god or afterlife or whatever? It gives you the exact same results.. I can tell ya that myself, I tried truly being a christian, it only lasted a week. Its a social thing that is it, you get together with a group of like minded people and discuss the inevitable death and how great it will be after that. It should not be taken so seriously, or with a book of rules of what to believe.

I would love to be a christian, but I can see through it and be even better imo because my view of the afterlife is 1000x better than those of the bible, and gives me courage to move forward and expand my concepts, instead of looking in a book to see if you have the right belief as everyone else or not, that seems hitler-like to me im sorry.

Lol, the quoting is getting really long. I might have to stop that.

And don't be sorry, you're just expressing your belief. There's nothing wrong with that. Personally, as I was telling my fiance the other night, I hope that heaven is like the movie "What Dreams May Come." I'm going to be very disappointed if God doesn't sound like Morgan Freeman. Anyhow.

I think I stated it before, but I believe in the divine, something more than ourselves and somethign beyond this life we live. I choose to follow that as a Christian. A good Christian friend of mine once said, in so many words, "You can take all your denominations and just shove it." because people get so caught up in the wee, tiny details: We have to stand at this time, put up our hands at that time, sit here, bow there, light candles there...and that's not what is important. At all. I believe I am off topic of the original thread so I will leave you with a book recommendation: "The Holy Longing" It explains very well Christianity, and helped me to better understand it. Remember, Jesus/God wants imitation not Admiration. You've heard the phrase "To live a Christ like life" right? It just means to be mellow of spirit, kind, gentle, giving and forgiving and caring for your fellow brother or sister.

Anyways, /end rant.

Edit: I'm not so sure there are more people that kill "in the name of" than those that don't. I should do a search/research and try to find actual, solid numbers.

Originally posted by Signals
reply to post by Jrocbaby

 

So far you have expressed pity. You have expressed surprise at such a "religious zealot" as myself. You have offered free mental health evaluations and have suggested seeing a professional about this problem I have.

Thank you, because it is the thought that counts. You could pretty much close your eyes and throw a dart at any of my threads and make similar claims.

With your wisdom, I am surprised you fail to see how lying to me about being a Christian wouldn't get me angry. He is the leader of the free world for crying out loud.

Ohh really? Leader of the free world eh? Take my word for it if you even care, education might not be fun for you, but you really should learn what you are talking about, before you talk about it.

Or you do it purposely to get attention, because if that is the case you are very good at it, you got 9 pages of people bashing you for how wrong you are.

You can just take what I say with a grain of salt, but I assure you as a human being, you have been lied to, and I really do hope you learn just how corrupt the seemingly perfect world is.

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I completely agree. I am not sure what he is, but he is no Christian!

A religious person should not be allowed to lead the country at all. It is a sign of mental illness.

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"" I tried truly being a christian, it only lasted a week. Its a social thing that is it, you get together with a group of like minded people and discuss the inevitable death and how great it will be after that. It should not be taken so seriously, or with a book of rules of what to believe. ""


Faith in Christ and belief.
Christianity is nothing what you described. in fact, Christianity is a relationship with GOD. not ' bingo night ' as what sounds like you were describing.

A belief that Christ died for your sins and rose again on the third day.

Did anyone ask you to confess in the Lord Jesus? Did you?

if so, you must have been lying ..' to yourself ' .. because all these words are for you alone. not for anyone else to hear.

a week? sounds like you were forced to go to church. did you pray before reading His Word at home?

Did you read His Word at home?

Did you truly read and believe.

I for one Don't care if he is Christan or not .. Who cares..

Second i cant wait tell ever religion on this planet is gone... THAT will be heaven to me

Originally posted by Sundowner

Originally posted by Jrocbaby

Originally posted by Sundowner

Originally posted by Jrocbaby

Originally posted by Sundowner

Originally posted by Jrocbaby

Originally posted by Sundowner

Originally posted by Jrocbaby

Originally posted by Signals

Originally posted by Xterrain

100% agreed. Israel is our longest standing ally. You are too right when you refer to the Bible as stating what happens to those counties who turn their backs on Israel. Isn't it a sign of the end times. Something about the world will turn their backs, then it's global persecution of Christians, then the 'yellow race will rule for but a day...' I haven't read it in a while...but thats the gist.

Thanks for that post

, at least one person gets it.

There is so much hatred for Israel and the Jews on this site, people spew on and on about Deny Ignorance
sometimes I feel I must not have gone over the "Conspiracy Theorist" rule book...Apparently for me to be "awake" I have to hate Israel

, and I most certainly am not allowed to be Christian either.

It's hilarious somebody actually just foe'd me for this thread. I guess all the rest of my work here is CRAP too

Obama lied to us AGAIN....But this time it hits home with me. Don't lie to me about being a Christian, just tell me the truth from the get-go. It is in our best "national security" interest to stay closely tied with Israel, their military and security....Instead of turning them loose to defend themselves. But the hatred on this site blinds common sense sometimes.

I mean, if you think Israel's military is a little rough around the edges now....

edit on 20-5-2011 by Signals because: classified

lmao a nation turning their backs on god? How pathetic

What does it say about a group of people, where a 7 year old can become a preacher, and grown adults agree? Plus bible camps are the exact same things that Islam camps do, they just don't put weapons in their hands, they put a political agenda to change our nation, which is even worse if you ask me.

Hardcore members of any religion especially Christianity should be taken as a mental disorder, and diagnosed as such so we can learn why people like you want to ruin the world for the rest of the sane people.

I swear when I hear posts like yours I want to lose my cool and pull my hair out. When are people going to stop putting a blanket statement on Christians, and other religions for that matter? You should know that radical Muslims and people like the Westboro Baptist people are not representative of the whole. You get a large, nay, HUGE group of people, you will have crazies.

Then pull your hair out, because christianity and all the other religions will not survive the test of time, and will be the fuel to the fire that causes mass wars just like it is now. USA is only invading islamic nations as of recently, seems like a religion war to me when super powers of the world invade helpless countries in the name of terror.

If a group of people killed your/my ancestors for thousands of years, and YOU join that group of people, YOU are my common enemy. Living in a nation infested with christianity makes it even worse.

Once again, I'm going to point out that you are using a blanket statement here for religion. There has been spirituality in some form since ancient time. It is my personal believe that there is something "divine" and more than just this physical world we interact with, and I choose to follow this belief in the form of Christianity. Not every religious/spiritual person is a war-monger-er, see? Sheesh.

I would argue there are more religious people that have killed a person or committed serious crimes in their life than those who never killed anybody. Remember USA is only 300m people and the safest area, so naturally you would not have to kill anyone. However, if you were the same exact human being, just born in an unsafe place to live where your village can be destroyed at any second, you would use your religious beliefs to justify killing your enemy even though its for defense, while your enemy is doing the same thing to justify killing innocent people. See? Sheesh

edit on 20-5-2011 by Jrocbaby because: (no reason given)

This is a good point. However, I A) can not know if I would or wouldn't use my religion as an "excuse" for killing others and B) you can't really speculate on me being born some where else, in a different situation, in a different country. You never really know what you will do or won't do until you are in said situation, see?

I think it's the environment people are brought up in that makes a difference, and you pointed to this in your reply. Example: I was brought up by parents who are far from racist as you can get, and I'm not racist either. I assume the same for religious extremism. (Which I deplore.)

Well there is more people that do kill in the name of, than don't.

Why would you even associate yourself with a group that has killed 1 person? Let alone millions..

It's fine if you have beliefs, but why do they have to be dictated by a book written thousands of years ago? Why can't you break the mold and create your own vision of god or afterlife or whatever? It gives you the exact same results.. I can tell ya that myself, I tried truly being a christian, it only lasted a week. Its a social thing that is it, you get together with a group of like minded people and discuss the inevitable death and how great it will be after that. It should not be taken so seriously, or with a book of rules of what to believe.

I would love to be a christian, but I can see through it and be even better imo because my view of the afterlife is 1000x better than those of the bible, and gives me courage to move forward and expand my concepts, instead of looking in a book to see if you have the right belief as everyone else or not, that seems hitler-like to me im sorry.

Lol, the quoting is getting really long. I might have to stop that.

And don't be sorry, you're just expressing your belief. There's nothing wrong with that. Personally, as I was telling my fiance the other night, I hope that heaven is like the movie "What Dreams May Come." I'm going to be very disappointed if God doesn't sound like Morgan Freeman. Anyhow.

I think I stated it before, but I believe in the divine, something more than ourselves and somethign beyond this life we live. I choose to follow that as a Christian. A good Christian friend of mine once said, in so many words, "You can take all your denominations and just shove it." because people get so caught up in the wee, tiny details: We have to stand at this time, put up our hands at that time, sit here, bow there, light candles there...and that's not what is important. At all. I believe I am off topic of the original thread so I will leave you with a book recommendation: "The Holy Longing" It explains very well Christianity, and helped me to better understand it. Remember, Jesus/God wants imitation not Admiration. You've heard the phrase "To live a Christ like life" right? It just means to be mellow of spirit, kind, gentle, giving and forgiving and caring for your fellow brother or sister.

Anyways, /end rant.

That is fine, I just don't want to live a simplistic life and not think, its just not who I am.

My main motivation in life is to figure things out, and submitting to any book that tells you how to live your life would kill me inside. Whats left in life if you know everything, the fun part of life is not knowing what is going to happen, and believing in something is all that it is, believing, but when a belief does not evolve over thousands of years, what kind of belief is that?

But its evident that logic does not change a person as long as they believe, I just do not understand.