Birthers: We Were Right. The BC is a FRAUD!!! Obama Lovers: Debunk THIS!

Originally posted by Runaway1977

Originally posted by derst1988
Which post were you responding to? I have already seen that thread, and I do believe I added my opinion to it.

this one

Originally posted by derst1988
There is no way Illustrator automatically made the "layers" (which i wish people would stop using that term, they are actually different "groups"). OCR is not the creator of this issue, and i can fully back up the three part explanation of OCR technology that the OP's link states.

Then apparently you skipped a few pages because it was all explained more than once in that thread. So if you have something you can back up or prove, why is it not there already?

Ah ok. Back up what? That OCR had nothing to do with these groups? (remember, NOT LAYERS) Do you really need me to scan something in, and then provide it here when what the op's link describes is a DEAD ON description of how OCR works?

I dont really care enough about your opinion to do this work (i have real work to do as well), all i know is that i have extensive experience with scanners and can confirm that what he speaks as far as the document and the way digital graphics and OCR work. Did you skip over a few pages where they talk about how OCR doesn't recognize signatures, yet there are two signatures that are affected by the so called OCR.

The very purpose of OCR isnt even to break it into layers but rather to take machine created text and make it editable, as in you can edit what it says with a keyboard. This file is not cable of typography editing anymore, IE OCR wasnt used.

reply to post by derst1988


I referenced that thread on that specific topic for a specific reason. You are trying to have an argument here that has been had already there. I am not playing. If you have something to add to that thread then the best thing you can do is add it to that thread. I am not going to have a conversation with you that I already spent over 100 pages reading other people have. I did not say the layers came from the OCR software so take it over there, son.

Originally posted by ufoinquirer

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

I don't know about this since most of you are the same people who said Trump was running. Not like you have an inside track on anything. In fact while you all are messing with the decoy's the hunter is covering his tracks.

Trump did behave as if he was planning to run and be Obama's opponent. I think after Obama smashed his face figuratively at that dinner, he backed off. Maybe Trump figured out that some serious people with power are backing BO. I do believe he thought he could make BO play his hand though. Or he is really on the same side as BO. I'm not positive. Trump did have the nerve to speak at Tea Parties though, so maybe he is on the level.

or what if trump is just part of this all? maybe he'll make a run later, and agreed to be the reason they had to release the BC or whatever ... lately all these actions by top people are seeming scripted, like they're just telling this story they already know the end to

Yes, that's possible, the whole "controlled opposition" thing.

Originally posted by yadboy

Originally posted by CaptGizmo

Originally posted by yadboy

Originally posted by CaptGizmo
Set aside the left vs. right, the black vs. white.....are you serious? It is the RIGHT WING NEO_CONS...or the so called Tea Party that have created the whole left vs. right and the black vs. white thing! They are the only ones who refuse to let this BS go once and for all.It wont matter what Obama provides as proof....they won't accept anything as the truth!! Get over it already! The BLOG is based only on one Neo-Cons opinion with no proof what so ever..and yes I looked and read the info. It is all BS and baseless info. For Gods sake this guy references FOX news and the World Nut Daily as links for proof. Really!! The problem is the overwhelming majority in this country don't follow the NEO-Cons assessment of the BS birth certificate. It is very sad to see people hold on to this sad issue that was really started and furthered by FOX news which is an oxymoron in it self.

Wow, I thought my post was pretty even keeled but you found a way to attack. With an attitude like that you could never look at the document and see it for what it is. You have to set aside you're blind hatred for anyone who's opinion differs from yours. Look at the document itself. Don't worry about the "birthers", "neo-cons", Fox News or World "Nut" Daily. Deal with the document, it doesn't hold up to even minor scrutiny.

Let the hate go, it's tearing this world apart.

How in the world did you infer hate from my post! I had nothing hate driven in that post at all. I simply have a different opinion on this and am pointing out to YOU specifically who used the left vs. right and black vs. white reference. You did that not me. Why do you claim I am hating? because I differ in opinion? or is it because I used the acronym BS? just curious.

Gee I don't know. Possibly the all caps "NEO-CONS" and "FOX" and "BLOG". Not to mention the liberal (pun intended) use of exclamation points. Your post didn't re4ally seem to be discussing to issue so much as railing against the right.

Forgive me. I had no idea I was talking to someone who is ultra-sensitive to exclamation points used to draw attention to certain points or caps of names to draw attention to certain names. I was in no way angry or as you put it hating. The point I was trying to make and prove me wrong; that the overwhelming majority of those who keep pushing the birth certificate issue are the Neo-Cons. I use the term Neo-cons because they are not true Republicans. They are part of the radical right(Neo-Cons) I am sure you have heard the term before.Your just splitting hairs now.

Originally posted by wakeUpOrDie


I asked earlier but no one addressed it. What about the name of the hospital on the BC only coming into existance in the 70s, while he was born in the 60s? I haven't been keeping up with the whole debate lately about the BC, but I'm curious if this has been explained somehow?

Or is this another anomaly that gets swept under the rug?

I answered it in this thread, with this post: response

Which stated:

I once had the opportunity to adress this. It is some rather misleading disinformation actually. As we know Obama was born in 1961, and the Hospital had its name changed in 1931 to Kapiʻolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital. Which is what is on the BC. The next name change for the hospital was in 1971 where it was Changed to just Kapiolani Hospital and in 1978 it became Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children, as it is still today.



The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children. Staying true to its mission, the non-profit hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii's women, children and adolescents.

Kapiolani Web site

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by alphabetaone

 

looks like you got your wish. atleast partly. you should be more concerned with a fraud in office. this isn't something that can be laughed off like its a bad joke. his presidency is a bad joke, and it isn't even funny. i said the same thing about bush.

if you don't feel the need to investigate obvious fraud, you have no logic, nor should you be allowed to vote, since you yourself said you would rather have a fraud in office.

this will never see msm.

It wasn't my wish, you asked if I would "rather", well, my answer to whether I would "rather" was yes.

My only "wish" is that people would use well thought out logic instead of this accusational playground with schoolyard logic behind it.

Originally posted by kellynap43
So why isnt this public yet? Why isnt this wide spread? Why isnt this on every major news channel across the country?(Especially if its bigger than Watergate) I hope this is correct and that our current president is impeached, but I'm very skeptical if that will ever happen. He has every media news source backing him up and protecting him. Outside of maybe FOX. He seems to be untouchable. I believe this will amount to nothing. I hope Im wrong.

edit on 18-5-2011 by kellynap43 because: (no reason given)

Mostly, no one wants to touch these issues. Even Fox skirts around it. Only a few people have been willing to delve into this stuff, and look what happens to them? They get attacked viciously, have their sponsors pulled by the networks, or boycotted by liberals, or whatever. Even the courts won't touch the BC issue. I do not believe it's because it doesn't matter. But that is only a suspicion I and others have.

Originally posted by TheUniverse
Nice try sadly you are a individual who tries to skew what i was saying by saying it is a 46 year old conspiracy; when i never said anything about it being a 46 year old conspiracy.

How can it not be a 46 year old conspiracy if neither of his parents stated he was in Kenya? Supposedly his short form birth certificate issued hides the fact he was born in Kenya and clearly states he was born in Honolulu, you're saying his parents didn't know about this either?

For this conspiracy to work, his parents have to be involved, otherwise you're arguing that his parents were clueless about him being born in Kenya.

Originally posted by Runaway1977
reply to post by derst1988

 

I referenced that thread on that specific topic for a specific reason. You are trying to have an argument here that has been had already there. I am not playing. If you have something to add to that thread then the best thing you can do is add it to that thread. I am not going to have a conversation with you that I already spent over 100 pages reading other people have. I did not say the layers came from the OCR software so take it over there, son.

Do you really expect people in this thread to read that thread? I understand what you are saying now, but i see no harm in adding information twice, especially if it is relevant and being talked about here too. I misunderstood your intentions, and im sorry for that.

Originally posted by Alien Abduct

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
What is really scary here, even more than the potential for fraud, is the fact that if Obama was 100% white, and had a name that didn't sound Muslim, no one would have EVER even asked to see his birth certificate.

Thats a damn lie. If this hypothetical "white Obama" still had the same blatant suspicious background you better believe I would be asking questions.

Is that all you got is a tiresome race card? Get outta here wit dat mess!

-Alien

And what is that "suspicious background"???

His name sounds foreign? He lived in a different country when he was a child? His father was muslim?

Or is it the sinister evidence of.

He was born in an exotic land of volcanos and hula skirts that is called Hawaii?

He went to Harvard *GASP*????

He came out of "nowhere" (which in this case "nowhere" is birth->school->college->community organizer->state senator->united states senator->President.)???


Or could it maybe...just maybe that for some people...the most suspicious thing about him is....

That he is a black man in the oval office???

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


We have a winner, check is in the mail.... Well done.

Of course, now you are going to be called a race card player... And perhaps even worse.

Originally posted by derst1988
Do you really expect people in this thread to read that thread?

Only if they were interested in the truth on any level.

I understand what you are saying now, but i see no harm in adding information twice, especially if it is relevant and being talked about here too. I misunderstood your intentions, and im sorry for that.

I think you still got it wrong. Everything you want to discuss has been addressed already. There is no good reason to ask questions that have already been answered when you can be busy reading the answers instead of waiting for someone to come to this thread and answer it all over again for you.

There is are several detailed explanations and "expert" analysis in that thread that fully explain everything you are asking in this thread. The only reason to ask again instead of reading answers in a thread you say you have already been to anyway is simply to spread stuff around. It is a little too obvious if you ask me.

Originally posted by Runaway1977

Originally posted by derst1988
Do you really expect people in this thread to read that thread?

Only if they were interested in the truth on any level.

I understand what you are saying now, but i see no harm in adding information twice, especially if it is relevant and being talked about here too. I misunderstood your intentions, and im sorry for that.

I think you still got it wrong. Everything you want to discuss has been addressed already. There is no good reason to ask questions that have already been answered when you can be busy reading the answers instead of waiting for someone to come to this thread and answer it all over again for you.

There is are several detailed explanations and "expert" analysis in that thread that fully explain everything you are asking in this thread. The only reason to ask again instead of reading answers in a thread you say you have already been to anyway is simply to spread stuff around. It is a little too obvious if you ask me.

Hmm see thats why im not sure what your on about. I am not asking anything, rather i am answering peoples questions to the best of my knowledge. Or should I just keep posting to other threads because its been talked about before? Thats kinda like Bob asking me a question and me saying, oh Sam already talked about it with me, go ask him.

reply to post by karen61057


Its not reality if its breaking the law, bro? I know that is something the left cant comprehend very well, breaking the law, but try.

reply to post by derst1988


This is not on purpose?

Originally posted by derst1988
There is no way Illustrator automatically made the "layers" (which i wish people would stop using that term, they are actually different "groups"). OCR is not the creator of this issue, and i can fully back up the three part explanation of OCR technology that the OP's link states.

None of what you said here matters because if you read that thread you will see that no one ever asserted that layers were made automatically by importing it to Ilustrator. You will also see where it was explained that OCR is not to blame either. So you what you are asserting is a different topic that has been covered to death in that thread. If you feel you have something different, then add it. Otherwise you are admitting you read the thread about this topic, decided not to debunk it there but start over here and just begin with more false assertions.
You brag about what you can fully back up. Then you should read the full detailed explanations and fully back it up after that. You will see how it will not apply but go for it.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by Alien Abduct

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
What is really scary here, even more than the potential for fraud, is the fact that if Obama was 100% white, and had a name that didn't sound Muslim, no one would have EVER even asked to see his birth certificate.

Thats a damn lie. If this hypothetical "white Obama" still had the same blatant suspicious background you better believe I would be asking questions.

Is that all you got is a tiresome race card? Get outta here wit dat mess!

-Alien

And what is that "suspicious background"???

His name sounds foreign? He lived in a different country when he was a child? His father was muslim?

Or is it the sinister evidence of.

He was born in an exotic land of volcanos and hula skirts that is called Hawaii?

He went to Harvard *GASP*????

He came out of "nowhere" (which in this case "nowhere" is birth->school->college->community organizer->state senator->united states senator->President.)???


Or could it maybe...just maybe that for some people...the most suspicious thing about him is....

That he is a black man in the oval office???

How come it's always the pro-Obama people that bring up race? It's too easy a card to play. Just because someone doesn't trust the man it doesn't neccessarily mean it's because he's black (well half black). You guys can throw the race card back and forth all day, but neither of you can prove it either way, it's he-said she-said. Till we have a working idiot-detector in hand we can't just assume everyone who doesn't trust the man is a racist. It's just a lazy argument.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by TheUniverse
Nice try sadly you are a individual who tries to skew what i was saying by saying it is a 46 year old conspiracy; when i never said anything about it being a 46 year old conspiracy.

How can it not be a 46 year old conspiracy if neither of his parents stated he was in Kenya? Supposedly his short form birth certificate issued hides the fact he was born in Kenya and clearly states he was born in Honolulu, you're saying his parents didn't know about this either?

For this conspiracy to work, his parents have to be involved, otherwise you're arguing that his parents were clueless about him being born in Kenya.

No, this is the same nonsense you tried to pull last night on me. We all know that Stanley Ann died before he ever was in this place. Madelyn did not have to have conceived of him being a President some day to want her grandson to have American citizenship, although it is possible she considered it when she went to the hospital to register him while he and Mom were still in Kenya.

Originally posted by aptness

Originally posted by coop039
Not fully., you mentioned the geographical info yes, but I was wondering if anyone has debunked the claim that Obama is using a SS# that was issued to someone else.

The birthers haven’t even explained who this other person is. They just claim Obama is using someone else’s SSN because, apparently, a 1890 date supposedly shows up on some databases when they searched for Obama’s information.

And this, they say, is proof Obama is using someone else’s SSN. It’s bogus.

I would bet some French guy born in 1890 is rolling in his grave.... It is said to belong to Jean Paul Ludwig

There is official evidence for SS# 042-68-4425. Just get a FOIA request and see for yourself. It's an official government record that shows Barack Obama using the social security number 042-68-4425.



Of course the Obama sheeple will say a Lexus Nexus search will produce 7-18 Barack Obamas SS #'s, however what they don't tell you those SS#'s link to nothing other than his name,.... those names were probably created to deliberately flood the data base.

Obama's maternal grandmother Madelyn Dunham worked in a Hawaii Courthouse, who could of had access to SS# for Obama.



Obama is a fraud....
SS# 042-68-4425 is linked to a official government record showing Barack Obama using it.

Originally posted by yadboy

How come it's always the pro-Obama people that bring up race?

Hang on, I'm about as far from a "pro-Obama" person as one can get, and I'm the one that brought it up here, so, genius, please, tell me how that defines me??

Originally posted by Runaway1977
reply to post by derst1988

 

This is not on purpose?

Originally posted by derst1988
There is no way Illustrator automatically made the "layers" (which i wish people would stop using that term, they are actually different "groups"). OCR is not the creator of this issue, and i can fully back up the three part explanation of OCR technology that the OP's link states.

None of what you said here matters because if you read that thread you will see that no one ever asserted that layers were made automatically by importing it to Ilustrator. You will also see where it was explained that OCR is not to blame either. So you what you are asserting is a different topic that has been covered to death in that thread. If you feel you have something different, then add it. Otherwise you are admitting you read the thread about this topic, decided not to debunk it there but start over here and just begin with more false assertions.
You brag about what you can fully back up. Then you should read the full detailed explanations and fully back it up after that. You will see how it will not apply but go for it.

I quote peoples posts and provide a rebuttal, the truth of the matter is someone in here DID say that illustrator causes those layers too be created automatically. Here is the very link. www.abovetopsecret.com... I will quote for you too.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by portal2012aliensrave


You can't be a good graphic designer...or maybe you're just not up to date on scanning software and Illustrator.

Illustrator automatically generates layers to make editing easier (or what it perceives to make it easier...two different things, lol). PDFs can have layers too if you save it a certain way.

But who cares about facts, right?

My Response:
No it does not automatically create layers. In fact you need to either use a drop down menu at the top of the screen, or a specialized panel for layers. This is relevant From Adobe Illustrator CS all the way too CS5. Yes pdfs can have layers too, as you stated.

There is no way Illustrator automatically made the "layers" (which i wish people would stop using that term, they are actually different "groups"). OCR is not the creator of this issue, and i can fully back up the three part explanation of OCR technology that the OP's link states.