Birthers: We Were Right. The BC is a FRAUD!!! Obama Lovers: Debunk THIS!

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by expo15

FAKE, FORGED, FRAUD, and CRIMINAL CHARGES to be PURSUED against OBAMA et al!!!!!!!

This is so predictable. Let's say this issue really does go to court. We know, inevitably, the judge will rule that there is no evidence that the birth certificate is fake. What will follow is a firestorm of ignorant, delusional "birthers" who will scream, "see? More proof that our government and judicial system is corrupt."

This is basically how conspiracy theorists work: if the government does or say something that supports their claim, we can take their word for it, as the theorists hold their fists high in a display of vindication. If the government says something that goes against their outrageous claims, then the government is deemed unreliable, and this is further proof of the conspiracy. It's a ridiculous double-standard, and it's completely pathetic.

basicaly you did not read the OP and the 19 page doc

I'm not sure how you know this, because he seemed to have summed up the Birther mindset pretty well.

Birthers have screamed forever for a LFBC, which they said didn't exist...they got it...and you guessed it...they called foul.


Here is what you need to take away from this....nothing will please Birthers....like I said on page one....Birthers never die.

It also means that the county employees who did theoriginal scanning of all the forms, did not take the individual pages out of the post binders. Theresult is that all the pages in that book display a parallax distorted image of the lines and type. Theycurve and drop down to the left. If you look at line 2 (Figure 3) on the form that says
Sex
you willnotice the letters drop down one pixel but the typed word
Male
does not. Also notice the line just below
Male
drops down 3 pixels.Figure 3. Line 2 of the form. Baseline differences.
Copy courtesy of: www.ObamaReleaseYourRecords.com -- www.BirtherReport.com


Holy jumping Pixels!

Having worked with some anal-retentive typesetters in the past -- I can attest that the person who reviewed this document, passes inspection as an actual, anal-retentive typesetter.

Unfortunately, he has not had the benefit of moving BEYOND typesetting, into say; image compression and using PDF documents -- or having some concept of how NOBODY gives a crap about this argument but people who are freaking out about Obama being a Black Person!


A white halo around type can be produced by sharpening of the image. The "pixel jumping" can be due to the 16 pixel blocks of JPEG compression. Also, PDF processing programs will attempt to LIFT THE TEXT off of the document with OCR. What you get, is, something with Parallax here, and a complete mess over there -- and DON'T FREAK OUT, but you cannot verify any digital document beyond TRUSTING the source of the document. I know -- maybe that super model has acne and she doesn't have blue eyes -- it happens all the time.



>> The important thing to remember; whether Obama was born in the USA or not -- he isn't going to be impeached for being from another country when in diapers -- I don't think it has ANY influence on how someone votes in my experience.

The other thing is; Obama MIGHT be a CIA trained agent -- but all you folks analyzing pixels on a document or listening to this old fool talk out of his rear end -- well, you completely missed all the more important diabolical plots turning you into a working stiff. Bin Laden, or a Muzlim Obama are not going to ruin your life -- YOU ARE, and the Bank is, and corporate education of our kids, and GM foods and pollution, and poorly equipped nuclear power plants -- but NOT the origin of birth of the President.

>> I think of all the things wrong in this planet, and this is nearly dead last -- right next to being attacked by someone's navel lint.

Originally posted by Runaway1977

Originally posted by imitator

And still you add nothing.... When you find something specific that your talking about.... LET me know!

Ditto.

Susan Daniels and the SSN are off topic and not only does search return a treasure trove of threads on that topic, I linked you to one. Like I said, you are not looking for any truth about that topic. You just want to spread that crap here.

edit on 18-5-2011 by Runaway1977 because: (no reason given)

Actually this started by a response post I made in this thread topic. Look here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I was just pointing out how Obama sheeple give false information and I was just correcting that information.

You on the other hand give nothing but pointless remarks, that lead to nowhere.

Congratulations Birthers ...you raise the raiting again of Obama

FOCUS ON REAL ISSUES : economy, us debt ,wars,unemployment and support Ron Paul


Now everyone is laughing in your faces

In the e-mail Obama deputy campaign manager Julianna Smoot writes, "There's really no way to make this stuff completely go away. The only thing we can do is laugh at it - and make sure as many other people as possible are in on the joke." She then suggests supporters purchase a birth certificate mug (starting price $15) or T-shirt (starting price $25). "If the facts can't make these ridiculous smears go away, we can at least have a little fun with it," she writes.

www.forbes.com...

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I pointed you in the right direction to solve your mystery. If you would rather hang around here complaining you did not get an answer instead of reading the threads that have answers, be my guest.

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Holy crap -- you mean it's page 31?

Birthers not only don't die -- they never shut up about it.

Now I am a "truther" myself, so I could see discussing something like "paintable military grade thermite" -- because, well, there is a LOT of information. But this is a dang Birth Certificate -- if some Hospital and State Bureaucracy have chosen to HELP this conspiracy along... well, there is nothing that can be done about it.

>> Did any of these people know that the EXPERTS who verified that Bush's AWOL papers were forged, were hired by the Bush White House when they made sure a certain news reporter got canned? Well, see, that was an even MORE obvious document that was actually NOT forged, and the USA got hoodwinked and forgot to notice there is no actual evidence of anyone TRAINING with George Bush while he was in the National Guard during the time he was AWOL.

But he is a white guy -- no FEAR there. Likely, he was replaced by an alien and the pod grew in that six months he was absent -- so technical he had extenuating circumstances for working in that Mexican brothel for all that time he should have been on duty.




>> Oh well, I'm off to more important discussions...

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Still playing the mystery game huh?

it's because you don't have an answer.....

Birthers: We Were Right. The BC is a FRAUD!!! Obama Lovers: Debunk THIS!

You can't debunk the SS# neither...... good luck.

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You mean again, in this thread, just for you?
No.
I am not going to take time in this thread to debunk anything that has been debunked on this website already. The links have been supplied. The information is all there. If you win an argument by moving from spot to spot until you find a place where no one wants to play anymore then I guess you win.

Originally posted by karen61057

Originally posted by aptness

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Nice try at trying to squech the story - but I find Tim Adams more convincing!

Because...?

Has he presented any evidence to back up any of his claims? Or you just find him more ‘convincing’ because his story confirms the narrative you already believe?

Yep that's it exactly. The best evidence is the evidence that supports what you already believe to be true. Anything that diverges from your beliefs is all bunk. Amazing isnt it? Even more amazing is that there is still a little handfull of people who are riding this birther train. Everyone else considers the issue settled.

Aside from the fact that a Hawaiian official has debunked Adams' claims regarding job duties and access - *and* these statements can be fact checked by the media, etc., some people choose instead to believe Adams when he says that he was told by (conveniently) "some people" that the long form BC didn't exist. How does one fact check "some people" exactly? Or does this inconsistency in verification not matter?

However, the really telling thing can be found in the interview in the link below where Adams himself says that Obama is a citizen and therefore should be allowed to run/be president. I doubt this guy will be the birther's "hero" anymore.

voices.washingtonpost.com...

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You haven't pointed to nothing that debunks anything.... if you do let me know!

Oh and please give specifics...instead of mystery links that go nowhere

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Those link go to other threads that cover the topics you are trying to derail this thread with. Actually, enough links were provided that cover everything in this thread. Search "Susan Daniels." There is a ton of threads on the SSN. The fact that you say links to other threads go nowhere and my advice to search is apparently too hard to understand, keep complaining. Reply to me angrily and tell me what I have not done, here, again, in this thread, just for you, yet another time. Is it helping? Do not answer. You have nothing to add and you are just angry that I am pointing this out.

It is a trend. Just like TrueAmerican is posting that stuff about Obama's grandmother in threads long after he was called out for being debunked on it in his own thread on the topic. I see what you guys are trying to do and I am just pointing it out. I notice you are more willing to argue with me over what you claim has been nothing than try to address anyone's facts. I get it now. I see what ATS is all about your game is waaaaay too obvious.

Originally posted by userid1
Aside from the fact that a Hawaiian official has debunked Adams' claims regarding job duties and access - *and* these statements can be fact checked by the media, etc., some people choose instead to believe Adams when he says that he was told by (conveniently) "some people" that the long form BC didn't exist. How does one fact check "some people" exactly? Or does this inconsistency in verification not matter?

However, the really telling thing can be found in the interview in the link below where Adams himself says that Obama is a citizen and therefore should be allowed to run/be president. I doubt this guy will be the birther's "hero" anymore.

voices.washingtonpost.com...

I'm sure someone paid Adams off for that interview, everyone has their price.

But anyway I wonder if that "some people" was Hawaii Governor who admitted in public that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

And then magically months later a hacked up PDF Birth Certificate file appears.... yeah right, only in a sheeple world will believe, only the sheeple....

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Yes!

There are members here at ATS who deny ignorance, and then there are Klan.
The two are easily recognized by their ability to either continually post proven lies, or continually prove the aforementioned posts to be lies. It's pointless to debate them any longer. Just let their threads fill with like minded hate and folklore and watch the head scratching begin as they cannot figure out why our president is still our president and why he is going to be our president for another four years. Instead of supporting and donating to a decent GOP opponent, they spend their time reading WND and Orly Taitz. I suppose they attend a cross burning from time to time, but hey....no one's perfect. (not intended to be a factual statement).

Originally posted by imitator
But anyway I wonder if that "some people" was Hawaii Governor who admitted in public that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

This is the reason I ask questions and wonder if any of you even want to actually be informed. But I am called an Obamabot for wanting to stick with facts.

Most hospitals in the U.S. issue a souvenir birth certificate which typically includes the footprints of the newborn. However, these birth certificates are not legally accepted as proof of age or citizenship, and are frequently rejected by the Bureau of Consular Affairs during passport applications. Many Americans believe these souvenir records to be their official birth certificate, when in reality it holds little legal value

See, most people believe what you believe but are wrong. But I do not see any of you accept a correction on something. You all just tell me that I supply nothing and move forward, repeating your trash.


There you go. I added that.
Birth Certificates

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You have not debunked anything and your starting rant like a madman. Good luck with that.
If you ever get a clue what we were talking about let me know.... I would rather stay on topic than be pointed to links that go nowhere.

Originally posted by imitator
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You have not debunked anything and your starting rant like a madman. Good luck with that.
If you ever get a clue what we were talking about let me know.... I would rather stay on topic than be pointed to links that go nowhere.

Shame on the timing of that.

Originally posted by Runaway1977

Originally posted by imitator
But anyway I wonder if that "some people" was Hawaii Governor who admitted in public that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

This is the reason I ask questions and wonder if any of you even want to actually be informed. But I am called an Obamabot for wanting to stick with facts.

Most hospitals in the U.S. issue a souvenir birth certificate which typically includes the footprints of the newborn. However, these birth certificates are not legally accepted as proof of age or citizenship, and are frequently rejected by the Bureau of Consular Affairs during passport applications. Many Americans believe these souvenir records to be their official birth certificate, when in reality it holds little legal value

See, most people believe what you believe but are wrong. But I do not see any of you accept a correction on something. You all just tell me that I supply nothing and move forward, repeating your trash.


There you go. I added that.
Birth Certificates

I debunked that pretty well.

Originally posted by Runaway1977


This is the reason I ask questions and wonder if any of you even want to actually be informed. But I am called an Obamabot for wanting to stick with facts.


See, most people believe what you believe but are wrong. But I do not see any of you accept a correction on something. You all just tell me that I supply nothing and move forward, repeating your trash.

You give no facts? Just rant? You can't even tell me how I'm wrong....

It's a fact that the Hawaii Governor admitting publicly that Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

well hey this was fun... I can't rant with your useless clues.

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What about hospitals do not generate legal birth certificates anyway is not a fact?

Originally posted by imitator
It's a fact that the Hawaii Governor admitting publicly that Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

And apparently he was wrong just like Tim Adams who previously stated he was the "Chief Elections Clerk" -but later changed his mind and decided he was *just* a "Senior Elections Clerk" when he actually had to sign an affidavit.

As for your allegation that he might have been bought off to change his story...who do you think would stand in line first to offer him money *and* have the greater funds to offer - WND or a local news station?

I just recently received a Certificate of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii after losing my original. Needed it for a US passport.

I've been thinking of scanning it and uploading it (obviously with personal information blacked out) so users can compare and contrast any differences (if any) between mine and Obamas.

I've seen the one he released and it does look similar to the one I received, but who knows?