Is it fair to fine fat people for not dieting?

Originally posted by grumpydaysleeper
Sometimes people are fat because of the medications they take. Ever try to diet when you spend more time on prednisone than you do off of it?

edit on 17-5-2011 by grumpydaysleeper because: spelling

Hey, I will vouch that prednisone will make you fat - fast. Try having to take a pill to live and gaining 20 pounds your first week, and your second...I didn't even think it was humanly possible. To make it WORSE, it redistributed my weight - now I have skinny stick figure legs and arms and a great big ol santa belly.

Everytime I try to do without it though, I nearly die, so I don't know that I've got a choice. My doc tells me that until I can get off of it, I probably won't lose weight no matter what I do.

Anyway, this country has a crisis of compassion and charity. We just need to get off any public assistance since so many people begrudge everyone anything - and let all the good people watch their neighbors and more poor family members just die.

My grandmother was HUGE - man she weighed probably 430 pounds at 4'11. When she died though, it was the most huge funeral I EVER saw - she was SO loved by the entire community.

Isn't there any fat people that anyone love anymore? Makes me wonder. Fat people - seem to me - are the new societal scapegoats. If ONLY we didn't have ALL those fat people, we'd have more money.

Personally I don't believe the science. Sorry - I think OLD people spend more money. I see folks 65+ in fairly good health that run to ER several times A MONTH and have 3-4 doctors appointments A WEEK...riding that medicare, might as well go, it's FREEEE and it might be something serious! But it's clearly no one's FAULT for getting old, can't scapegoat them.

And then there's the strange 'fat is a national security issue.' Oh...it IS. Hmmm. Govt wouldn't be seeding hate for fat people all over the internet to try to shame people into losing weight would they?

This hate is getting malignant. I'm telling you all, but you probably won't listen.

I decided to stop coming back to this thread because of the responses.
But to blame your obesity on your genes! Its just an excuse. Its really quite simple if you eat say 200 calories more then you burn you'll gain weight, if you eat less then you burn then you lose weight....

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So true....I don't recall seeing any obese prisoners in any of the pictures I have seen of the concentrations camps in Nazi Germany.
No offense intended...just an observation.

I was overweight and told that it was genetic. This comforted me for a time and gave me a n excuse to not do anything about it. Then one day I after an unpleasant scuba diving experience I decided to drop 40 lbs. I managed to do so my simply cutting my calories down to a reasonable level based on my level of activity...or in my case, inactivity.

If I had listened to those who told me it was genetic and that I shouldn't worry about my weight, I would still be out of shape and not able to fit into my wetsuit.

The refusal to deny ignorance in this thread...... does not amaze me, nor baffle me.

Not once have I said that genes and gut types were 100% the cause of obesity. They are linked though, like it or not, if it fits in your world view or not, it is what it is.

It IS.... like it or not..... refuse to deny ignorance or not, a part of why some people are skinny, and others fight that weight.

I've given the example of my sister, who eats like a horse, and does not exercise and is skinny, and of myself, who has to watch everything and exercise to stay within my weight zone.

How about my husband? He has a computer job, sits on his butt, eats fast food almost every day along with soda, candy, chips and junk food galore and never gains a pound. If I thought of eating a quarter of what he does, I would be so fat I would be stuck in a chair.

What is the difference? Why can two people I know stay skinny while eating like horses and pretty much never exercising, while I have to fight to stay within my target weight? DUR DUH! GENETICS!!!!

What is the difference? Genetics, body shape and body type.

Skinny people who do not battle with their weight every day generally do not have a clue nor any empathy. Then their are those who were overweight because of overeating without exercise who change their lifestyle and wallah lose weight. They then say look EVERYONE is the same so your fat because you MUST overeat just like I did.

hmmm, seems like a refusal to deny ignorance to me.

Humans are born with genetics which make us all different. Short, tall, blue eyes, brown eyes, blond hair, red hair SKINNY or FAT. Can we change some of these things about ourselves? Yes we can, but it is a fight against what our body says is natural. If your born with brown hair, but want blond you can change your hair color, but it will always return to what you were born with the moment you forget to dye it.

I also agree that all these crazy hormones we are adding to our foods most likely are effecting many people, and that GENETICS probably play a part in how those hormones react in our bodies.

Harm None
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they penalize them for being overweight but the money they get isn;t enough to buy healthy food.
i know lots of families on public assistance who live off of ramen noodles. all the so called good for you foods have labels like organic slapped on them so they can charge what they want for it. if you got 1 or 2 hundred dollars a month for groceries for a family of 4 you cant complain when the food quality is crappy they are just buying what they can afford.

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Yes it is fair and they should be taxed to conpensate ther selfishness

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hahah this is crazy. i actually have such a high motabolism i think that im actually trying to get fat atm.
probably not healthy. but i cant seem to put weight on. any tips? dairy aint doing it.

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No, I think it's going too far. Telling people how they should take care of themselves isn't anyone's job, unless of course, that person wants the help. What about people who can't lose weight because of other issues? One of my good friends is kind of large but not because she eats like a "fatty", it's because it's in her genes. She eats healthier than I do/exercises more than I do... but just cannot lose the weight.

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Be sure in fine them for farting in public. Also, if they get pee on the seat. If the pick their nose.

Originally posted by Ashyr
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hahah this is crazy. i actually have such a high motabolism i think that im actually trying to get fat atm.
probably not healthy. but i cant seem to put weight on. any tips? dairy aint doing it.

My tip... Wait till middle age kicks in. That metabolism will leave you quicker that a gold-digger that just found your chapter 8 papers.

Obese people should be made to pay a penalty or fine for being overweight. They are more of a drag ( pun intended ), on the current health system and require more resource's than one whose body conforms with a more natural weight standard. In short, they cost us all more money in the health care system

I don't think they should get fined, but I think that they shouldn't be aloud to get handicap signs to be aloud to park even closer to stores. They need to park the farthest to get exercise

I still have the opinion, fined no, taxed yes. But I have to admit, it would be a huge mess to decide what foods should be taxed more.... I mean straight junk is easy, like fast food, but where does the line get drawn? Some people are under the delusion that all meat is bad for you, should we draw their line?

We live in a free country. They should be able to eat whatever they want. But they shouldn't be given any food stamps, or disability pay. Disability pay for being fat, are you F-ing serious? No medicaid, no foodstamps, and no disability. If you're obese, it's you're own fault. Work like the rest of us, and if you're able to afford the extra groceries to be obese, more power to ya.

I guess in the UK it's a little different, but in the USA man, funk dat!!

People are missing a key point: welfare. Seriously, people can be refused the free money they're trying to get for any reason the government deems necessary. Most fat people here in America are fat because they WON'T help themselves. They're lazy and want things handed to them. Or shoved in their mouths. I still hate myself for letting me become overweight. But now I'm eating right and exercising to lose said weight. It's not that hard.

The point I'm trying to make is that if you expect the government to give you free money for whatever reason you may need it, it'll be by their means. If they want you to be on a diet, it's because they want you to at least look like you're trying to help yourself and not just suckling on the teat. Don't take this as rude, it's not. Just the brutal and honest truth.

Originally posted by LadySkadi
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My point (again) is if someone does not want to be told what to do, how to live, what they can or must do to receive Welfare from the state, then they should ensure they either do not accept it or do not remain beholden to the state for any length of time. You want autonomy and control of your life, then claim it and don't ask or accept state handouts. If you do, you get what they give you along with the rules that come with it.

Well said. This is as someone else said, a "slippery slope" that may lead to more controlling methods down the road....the bottom line is that I have yet to meet a person in America who pays their taxes and does not complain about supporting those on state/fed programs that do not belong there or do not take care of themselves. I am all for the little guy, but this seems like the government is trying to solve a major grievance that many Americans have, only to be ridiculed. I am not anti-poor - my mother was on welfare as a single mother while I was a child and we would not have made it had it not been for that support, it is a great program, though it is abused by some. Unfortunately in a situation where money is involved, abuse by some turns into the opinion that it is abused by all, which is not fair.

However, if you have a problem with regulations like this and are all for universal healthcare, you should check your expectations. Nothing is free and I would doubt that we will be supported without stipulations if we do not try to keep ourselves as healthy as possible while we are paying for each others health care collectively as a nation. The non-pc solution - if you don't like where it is heading, then get out.

Yes incredibly overweight "obese" people cause more accommodating and waste of resources just for spite simply because they "can" eat, they do. and all they can, all the time. i believe it to be in the psy why they continue to "numb" out its like an alcoholic getting a DUI. obese people are careless selfish and mentally ill. most need help to stop some dont care there should be an INTERVENTION show for monster people and not set up by family but set up by strangers in the community. fat is sad and sickening. and i dont want to hear any BS about.

"what if they have a disorder or are clinically fat" thats BS excuse to be careless neglecting themselves and the people that care about them. its not they are fat its that they are deliberately fat.

alcohol, tabacco, buffets, and perscription pills all POISON sanctioned and taxed by the government all with increasingly deadly effects on society. blame the microwave oven lol.

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How absolutely incredibly uneducated that post was. Guess what, it doesnt matter, this is all a test, and the test is: To love everyone, not to judge others, or control them, to bring this world to heaven, eutopia. True equality and not just equalizing everything, but ensuring that everyone's dreams and happiness is being realized, like a true family, caring truly for each ohter of the highest frequency.

Just the most uninformed and uneducated persecution of people. Some overweight eat more, most have slow metabolisms and don't eat very much. Some incredibly thin people eat more. Odd the way human bodies are isn't it? Odd that life here isn't about making everyone look like FAKE, malnourished movie stars isnt it? We all get be ourselves VIVA LA DIFFERENCES.

I'll be praying for everyone on this thread, because you inherit or draw in the frequency of Fascism.

The controllers are basically very distorted and need to be freed from the yoke of their mismanagement, because they are not serving God as cataclysts, they don't know Love doesnt wear diff hats, and they are harming others.

But they arent doing this!

Its us doing this, its the hearts and minds and frequencies of our level of love, our level of understanding, our level of compassion, our level of judgments.

Myself, I could easily live in a wonderful eutopia where there is no leaders, and no laws, and there would be no crimes. No control, everything we have belongs to all, yet we are all propsered, no thinking poorly of another, just shining, being gifts to each other, and being immensely propsered.

A place where dreams do come true.

I invite everyone on this thread to join me, here and bringing here to there.

I wonder how many on this thread are falling so strongly into the traps here, and not realizing how foolishly they judge. Watching an overweight, woman who finally takes her children out, though its a rare treat, for she's a single mom and rarely can afford it, and they have asked for Burger King and the fun jungle gym there, for months, so she finally does this. Money is only domino chips to them, and her whole life is just sacrificing for family, she isn't doing what she wants, living where she wants, she's not living her dream, but doing it all for others. And though she eats one third or less of a normal diet and gets her vitamins mainly through supplements, on their one outing, a typical ATS thread could be written on the Fatties in Burger King, who just live on junk food all the time, by someone who can eat a person out of house and home and not gain a pound, like my kids, maybe it could be said they are the real tax on the resources, but then I don't judge, and who doesn't hesitate to reward themselves and live any dream they wish for their money is only selfishly spent on them.

And then this other women, goes home, and helps her friends in need, though she doesnt have much, paints, writes, and envisions the world as it should be, while they talk wars, and video games, and put down the poor and homeless.

I know many people, of many weights, and the ones who are overweight have been amongst the nicest, they're learning through hard self esteem lessons, that the outer appearance is not beauty, and to not judge at all, and are the most compassionate caring souls I've met. One is like an angel, when I was ill, he was typing nonstop to me, and talking in my aura at the same time. I felt wind, and hands on my head, and Light pushed through me, and was healed within 30 minutes. Quite the psi abilities he has, and carries the worlds poor on his shoulders, a wonderful soul.

And then there is my children, one is overweight, he has the biggest heart and alot of wisdom, low self esteem, and he's the one who remembers his sleep paralysis and prays for his "beatuiful" self absorbed older brother who thinks he is all that, and prays to God frequently at night, praying for his brothers.

You guys really miss things don't you, who is who, what the tests are. The ones you're judging are often the most compassionate souls, bigger lights. Anyone that can judge at all another, especially one that has never harmed them, is revealing themselves greatly and has so much work to do. The job is to take the world out of your eyes, and seek for inner knowing, healing, and pray for your site to be healed.

(黃慧音) Imee Ooi - Great Compassion Mantra - Chú Đại Bi - 大悲咒

A good place to begin with compassion and reaching your infinite self within, for guidance and direction. Take the world and its prejudice and childish values out of your eyes.