Is it fair to fine fat people for not dieting?

This is a cromulent depiction of the anti-fat kid conspiracy that have plagued the sensitive,compassionate,intelligent but very fat kid in all of us. Those schoolyard bully bastards that tormented us! Screw you Bully bastards...ya can't push me round no more! (Promptly kicks bully bastard ass) A sontaguous expulsion of cosmic drivel dravel. Limelight THAT vektor! Stodgy donner.

Get the hint, stop over eating so much.

IT IS JUST GREED.

Originally posted by psyop911

Originally posted by Cuervo
reply to post by neformore

 

I think it's brilliant. This only applies to welfare recipients. So, if you want assistance, you gotta play ball. It's perfectly fair, in my opinion, and is actually in everybody's best interest. It doesn't punish anybody, it simply requires a person to make an effort.

If this were not restricted to welfare recipients, then of course it would be alarming.

lol. and then people wonder how come the world is so #ed up...

What's messed up is that we live in such a commercialized world that the only way to educate people on healthy eating is through legislation. We subsidize all the food industries that cause obesity and then tell people not to eat it. As long as we do that, we will have to find alternative ways to cut down on preventive health care costs.

Why use tax dollars to buy soda for somebody who will get type 2 diabetes who will then require tax dollars to take care of? I'm not against socialized programs in geographically small nations like that one but if theres a way to prevent further death and costs, steps should be taken.

In a non-messed up world, we wouldn't need welfare.

Originally posted by banandar123
the great debate is whether it should be done on the consumer(individuals that indulge in unhealthy foods) level, or on the supplier(restaurants that promote unhealthy foods) level.

I think both levels need to step up to the plate. But there is no reason for businesses to offer healthy food when it is more profitable for them to do otherwise. And businesses are comprised of individuals, so if we expect individual overweight people to do something positive for themselves, can we not expect other individuals (business owners) to take responsibility and stop doing negative to others?

If junk food and edible garbage didn't exist, this wouldn't be a problem. It seems easy to me... abolish the poison that we call "food".

I know we are arguing for the same result, but we just see different roads to get there...

From all the responses that you have all written it is clear to me that all of you are oblivious as regards to what it is that be causing all this obesity. None of you understand that ingestion of too much nutrition has nothing absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with it. What is causing this pandemic of obesity is the presence of radio active isotopes still lingering around from all the more than two hundred nuclear weapons test explosions that were conducted. Since the implementation of the comprehensive test ban treaty the dangerous isotopes are not increasing. The levels are going down. However still linger. Nuclear power stations must be fazed out of service gradually until eventually there should be not even one atomic reactor in service. The radioactive isotope of Iodine gets into the thyroid and causes problems to the thyroid functions, which then cause obesity. The radioactive isotope of Strontium gets into the bones replacing calcium and thus causing osteoporosis and other bone deformity and skeletal birth defects. Thus the increase of rickets. Fortunately these conditions can be easily resolved by ingesting regular daily adequate amounts of Mineral and Vitamin Supplements. Especially growing children need this mineral and vitamin treatment. Also remember to drink plenty of water. Each person needs to ingest at the least two litres [four pints][half gallon] of water per day. That water is best if it is filtered water. If you follow my advice then your obesity will become less and less. Your health in general will improve.

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Is it fair to fine fat people for not dieting?

if this goes ahead then some of the future threads on ATS will be.......

is it fair to fine alcoholics for not staying of the drink.

is it fair to fine people who use to much salt.

is it fair to fine people who do not excerise properly.

is it fair to fine people if they throw to much rubbish away.

is it fair to fine people if they drive less than 1 mile when they could of walked.

etc etc.

in the u.k. we already get fined for stupid miniscual things and any reason to fine seems to be the way we are heading, it is the new business, brings in revenue and creates jobs.

Originally posted by CAELENIUM
From all the responces that you have all written it is clear to me that all of you are oblivious as regards to what it is causing all this obesity. None of you understand that ingestion of too much nutrition has nothing absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with it. What is causing this pandemic of obesity is the presence of radio active isotopes still lingering around from all the more than two hundred nuclear weapons test explosions that were conducted. Since the implimentation of the comprehensive test ban treaty the dangerous isotopes are not increasing. The levels are going down. However still linger. Nuclear power stations must be fazed out of service gradually until eventually there should be not even one atomic reactor in service. The radio active isotope of Iodine gets into the thyroid and causes problems to the thyroid functions which then cause obesity. The radio active isotope of Strontium get into the bones replacing calcium and thus causing ostioporosis and other bone deformity and skeletal birth defects. Thus the increase of rickets. Fortunately these conditions can be easilly resolved by ingesting regular daily adequate amounts of Mineral and Vitamin Suppliments. Especially growing children need this mineral and vitamin treatment. Also remember to drink plenty of water. Each person needs to ingest at the least two litres [four pints][half gallon] of water per day. That water is best if it is filtered water. If you follow my advice then your obesity will become less and less. Your health in general will improve.

AVE RAEGINA CAELINA LA DEUS NOSTRA CAELI LA VERA DEUS

edit on 18/5/2011 by CAELENIUM because: (no reason given)

Is this a serious post? I would rather blame it on fast food and lack of personal responsibility, but if you want to blame it on atom bombs then I guess that is your right.

Fat people eat too much. Rich people eat too little. The TOO much food is cheaper than the too little food...make a choice. It's YOUR choice. Makes no different what the choice the other cat makes.

Let us not forget these people are on welfare. They are already getting a hand out. If you ask the government for something I have to pay for since I can't just not pay taxes because they won't work we should at least be able to dictate the terms.

If your on wel-fare you should have to meet a certain standard to get you off it. Fat people look lazy to employers making it harder for them to get a job. Smokers stink making it harder to get a job. If you really need money so bad that you bum it from the government you shouldn't be buying things like junk food and smokes.

I on the other hand deserve more freedoms because I support myself.

Originally posted by neformore
Interesting story this. Do we force people who refuse to look after themselves to do so?

Is it a requirement of society to stay healthy and fit?

Should people have the freedom of choice to eat and drink and abuse their bodies as they see fit - ignoring the advice of health care professionals without fear of reprisals from the health system?

Is this an opportunistic tax - and what are the implications of this thing going further, across the whole of the states?

Also - whats next? Extra tax on smokers? Drinkers? People with a sweet tooth? Where does it end?

Devil's Advocate:
If this will reduce the cost of healthcare, I think everyone should be forced to lose weight, eat the right foods, and exercise regularly. Although I am dead set against Obamacare, I think people need to learn a lesson about how social mandates (and socialism) can destroy your freedom. So... Let us go full out. Since people think the new Obamacare was a great idea, I think we should strip away everyone's freedom to reduce the price of medical expenses.

Let's see how far Liberals and Democrats are willing to go, and push these types of fines and laws to their fullest extent.

Even though I think these laws are moronic and unconstitutional, I think we need to use them against those who supported and created them. Democrats can't stop us now. Its the law. We have the law behind Obamacare to show them what Communism was really about. Sometimes people have to learn from their stupidity.

I am willing to lose weight, eat the right foods, and exercise to make an entire group of people scream out in mercy, so that a law they supported is forced to be abolished.

I say, "Tax people to death." Tax the rich, middle-class, and poor. Tax the whole damn system. All of it.

If "they" were smart.they would give an incentive to those of us who try every day to live well and stay healthy!

There used to be "allowances" on my health care for gym memberships,preventative care (mamograms,paps,etc) and premium incentives for non smoking.All have been deleted from the policy.

I do have empathy but it's hard not be get annoyed when I keep myself at 1200 calories a day most of the time and workout 5 times a week and see MANY younger than myself in Walmart and the grocery store in their "pride scooters" eating out of bags of oreos and chips as they wheel their obese selves down the aisles and I see more of this all the time.

I have no issue with food items known to contribute to obsesity being taxed much like tobacco and alcohol are.As long as subsidies are given to those who exercize their option to "choose" and continue to choose badly,it continues to cost those who stay fit and healthy in the long run...so who is the more oppressed?

Saw the item on "Too Fat to Fly"on "Today" this am regarding the woman who claimed she was humilated by a Southwest employee because of her (very susbtantial) weight and not being allowed to fly...IN ONE SEAT.Sorry,but when I buy MY fare for one seat and I have to hang my almost 6' self out into the walkway for 3 hours being bumped by carts and passengers and having my knees beat up because someone "needs" 2 seat extenders (happened on a flight to LA...) and must physically extend themselves into MY paid for seat in order to merely sit down,again,who should be penalized???

I do agree that no one for any reason should be subject to any sort of humilation by an employee of any company in public but their policy does allow for requiring a person to BUY two seats over a certain weight.

Again,in a round about way,it goes back to the issue of "taxing" or "charging" an overweight person...touchy subject with a fine line BUT how about taking the "rights" of the rest of the population into consideration and give US a break?

reply to post by Section31

I am willing to lose weight, eat the right foods, and exercise to make an entire group of people scream out in mercy, so that a law they supported is forced to be abolished.

why would they abolish a law everybody is obeying and therefore is working and controlling the population via loss of freedoms? you think they would go "well done, you all did well, you can have your freedom back now, we will abolish that law we bought in to control you"

Originally posted by lifeform11
reply to post by Section31

 

why would they abolish a law everybody is obeying and therefore is working and controlling the population via loss of freedoms? you think they would go "well done, you all did well, you can have your freedom back now, we will abolish that law we bought in to control you"

Devil's Advocate
Nope. I expect something very-very-very dark to happen. If enough people suffer from oppression, the larger the revolution will be when society cracks. I don't expect the government to break. I expect the whole population to break in half; thus, sending our entire society into a massive revolt and uproar.

Tax them all to high hell. All of them. I don't care if they are rich, middle-class, and poor.

Its time to bring all of society down by taking advantage of ignorance.

Thank you Obama!!! He gave the keys to the Devil, and now its time for the demon to use them.

Do skinny, white rich people have to pay a fine cause they don't do something? Cause THEY'RE on welfare! T.A.R.P.S., taxpayer bailouts, obscene tax breaks...WELFARE for the RICH! Let the poor EAT the rich and the problem would be over. Only question is which wine? Red or white? I say white. Orvietto.

What is interesting me the most is HOW exactly they will know if people are or aren't dieting?

Bust into their homes at the lunch hours? Make regular raids into their fridges? Follow them in the supermarket to see what they buy for dinner? Install surveillance cameras into their kitchen?

Or maybe there will be a minimum weight they'll have to drop every month; you can't reach it, you pay?

It's only me, or this sounds absolutely insane?
Then what will come next? If we are already into checking you, let's see also what you read, what you smoke, where you go on the internet, who you vote for....oh,no, no, you're a nasty citizen, you CAN"T read those subversive articles and conspire against the good people of TPTB who take so good care of you.... you should come with us now...

People, wake up!
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE FAT. Maybe is not the best choice, and maybe you can do better, but no one should force people fitting their standards.

You actually have the right to be anything you want as long as you don't hurt others.
But what you CAN"T afford to be is a sheep. Because then you'll have no rights anymore.

Originally posted by WhiteHat
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE FAT.

You actually have the right to be anything you want as long as you don't hurt others.
But what you CAN"T afford to be is a sheep. Because then you'll have no rights anymore.

Devil's Advocate
Says who? After Obamacare was put into place, the government can now force you to do anything. All in the name of 'reducing the costs for national healthcare'.

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by WhiteHat
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE FAT.

You actually have the right to be anything you want as long as you don't hurt others.
But what you CAN"T afford to be is a sheep. Because then you'll have no rights anymore.

Devil's Advocate
Says who? After Obamacare was put into place, the government can now force you to do anything. All in the name of 'reducing the costs for national healthcare'.

edit on 5/18/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Well, then I have only one answer:

Baaa!

Originally posted by WhiteHat
Well, then I have only one answer: Baaa!

I know. See, when Obamacare was put together, no one considered putting safety nets into place. Not a single section was added to limit government's involvement within our lives. Its an open door.

"Do this for the sake of our healthcare system!" will be the tagline for a whole mess of new laws.

We lost control when Obama signed on the dotted line.

Devil's Advocate
Since so many people are excited about Obamacare, I think we should take it to the extreme. If we use this law to force people to do things, maybe they will wake up and revolt to change the law.

We have nothing to lose. Our freedoms are already gone.

Devil's Advocate
Since so many people are excited about Obamacare, I think we should take it to the extreme. If we use this law to force people to do things, maybe they will wake up and revolt to change the law.

We have nothing to lose. Our freedoms are already gone.

edit on 5/18/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Maybe you're right.
When it will hurt them to the bone, maybe they'll stand up and say: enough!
But it's a long, painful road until there.