What if on May 21st, 2011, "Christ" does "return"?

Originally posted by LosLobos
I just don't understand WHY he or she needs to put us through trials and tribulations before he wipes us out? Is he God or Darth Vader?

People, by our own nature, have so much pride, that it gets in the way of us acting as and being the people who God wants us to be.

It takes heating and pounding metal to form it into what is desired.

People are stubborn with too much egocentric will power.

It gets between us and God.

reply to post by Common Scarecrow


What is your "scriptual foundation" for this."The saints that die during the tribulation are those people who have come to the saving acceptance of Jesus as their savour AFTER the rapture."?

reply to post by summer5


No offense, but you have mis-read the Bible. Jesus does not contradict anything that God said in the Old Testament. Far from it, Jesus can be found throughout the entire Old Testament. Jesus IS God.

You have confused man-made religion with God's Word in the Bible. I encourage you to re-read it and humbly ask God to reveal the truth to you.

Jesus lived, died, and was ressurected. You too live, and will die, and be ressurected for eternity. The question is, where will you spend your eternity? Please get all of your facts straight before you dismiss who Jesus is and seal your eternal fate.

ALL of this speculation is based on a single, solitary assumption: that the precise date of Jesus having been crucified was 1 April, AD 33. From there, Camping has created a mathematical means of deducing his Second Coming "evidence".

Now, ignoring all other factors, why is it that an average, sensible person should hold to this AD 33 date as being valid as the year of the death of Jesus? Does it not seem silly, amongst dozens of other things here, for an adult to sincerely hold the year one as the birth of Christ?

I would encourage everyone to do a bit of research into historical Jesus studies, to get a feel for how ridiculous the BC-AD divide is, even if we are to assume Jesus actually lived.

If that single date cannot be proven to any significant degree, but is shrouded in nebulous mystery, then why in the world are people considering prophecies based on that date as being worthy of serious thought? Having said that, I am not even beginning to scratch the surface of the completely maddening logic and ignorance that is needed to seriously look at Camping without breaking out into hysterical laughter.

Bringing secret societies and governmental conspiracies into this mess is, quite frankly, embarrassing.

Originally posted by LosLobos
reply to post by Caleb.K

 

I just really understood the died for our sins thing. He died so he could be resurrected in front of his disciples. They witnessed this event and concluded God must be real. Therefore, go out and spread the word of the Lord.

I just got that this year actually...

Problem I have is this. Was it really necessary to take that route? I don't even see the whole faith thing. God already knows what I am going to to. He knew what I was going to do before he even created the heavens and the earth. If he didn't, then he's not all knowing like the Bible suggest. It would make him just a man like everyone else.

Like i said before, he needed to also instruct man that it was more pleasing to god to love one another than follow a bunch of laws. In the end its the state of our hearts that will let us enter god's kingdom rather than the state of our exterior cleanliness etc. Jesus also gave us vital information about making it past armageddon and also gave us final information regarding the last days. His time on earth caused the widespread teaching of gods word and will save a lot more people than if jesus had not come to earth. Also Jehovah gave us free will, we are not predestined, he knows the occurrence of future events but we have the ability to change ourselves if we want.

I can't remember the exact scripture, but God thought of Satan as good up until the hour in which he turned away from god. God's sovereignty is being tested on this earth, the test is to see that even with freewill that we will still follow our loving creator. There is no evidence that we are predestined.

Originally posted by CrazyZain

This is a loaded topic. I believe everyone should have some spiritual belief in them!

This is a good point you're making. It's one thing to have a spiritual belief in something. Its another thing to have a spiritual belief in something that people don't practice in their every day lives.

This world would be a better place if not for religion. This world would be a better place if we just all got along and figured out we need to save the planet from ourselves.

Religion flew planes into buildings. Religion wiped out the native Americans. Religion made people drink poison in Jonestown. Religion made people kill themselves thinking some space ship would pick them up at the next stop. The list goes on and on about how religion is the worst invention in history.

reply to post by AdmiralObamaGFOL


I'm sorry but i have to disagree with you, Jesus is the son of God, and there is no hell. You too are following "man's religion" because the hellfire and trinity doctrines are pagan in origin. They are not the work of a loving creator, no loving God would create a person just to eternally torment them. Yes i agree we have the chance to live in everlasting life, or die. That's the choice. Either you die and are conscious of nothing or you get to live in peace and happiness in eternity.

(However i do agree that the person you were replying to was also incorrect)

Originally posted by General.Lee
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

Why don't you slugs start degrading the Indians for talking to the dirt? Go ahead, make fun of them.

Well, I do.

Their rituals are no less primitive than yours.

The real problem is, you have no heart and no soul. You live a material life and are envious and jealous of those who have realized their spiritual side and "aware".

Wrong, your assumptions.

For such a good Christian you seem to be a bit judgemental.

You might consider cracking open that "good book" and delving into the bit
about "judge not lest ye be judged".

I can't wait for Him to come and clean up this mess.

If your Superman existed don't you think he would have stopped by during
the slaughter of millions that occurred during WWII or maybe during the
great plagues that killed millions or any of the litany of atrocities that have
occurred throughout history ?

I guess he was busy...

Yep.

Busy making sure one football team scored more touchdowns then the other.

Originally posted by General.Lee
But, if I'm right (and I am), you atheists are going to be s*itting yourselves big time. It give me peace of mind just knowing what will come to pass.

It gives you "peace of mind" to think of people suffering ?

I'm sure Jesus would approve.

You guys ever hear about the man who invented the "mini seed vault?" It is your own personal seed vault like the big one they have in Norway or where ever it is. When I heard that I was like...that's brilliant! He was selling them for like 139 bucks a pop. I said to myself, "this guy is going to get at least 1,000 people to buy that crap. Something they can build themselves for about 3 bucks.

All these "the end is here" stuff is nothing more than marketing some crap on ebay.

survival seed bank

Not advertising just pointing out people profit from fear. That ethos has been around since the beginning of time. Don't eat the apple or I'll throw your butts out of this garden. Fear kept Adam in check. At least for awhile. Not until Eve (like all women) screwed up his mind.

The real reason the date of the newest, latest, greatest, one night, standing room only apocalypse is May 21, 2011 is because Camping, the discoverer, ehem, I mean inventor of this date is 89 years old and it behooved him to create a date for the apocalypse (a faith affirming event if is any) that he would conceivably be alive to witness. Do people really think that so many of these doom seeking preachers throughout (american) history coincidentally devise dates for the apocalypse that fall within their lifetimes? It's not coincidence; it's ego..and fear. I imagine Camping's biggest fear is dying without some epic biblical-type event occurring in his lifetime. He, and all these other false prophets before him need to see the fires burn, smell the sulfur smoldering, and people dying to validate their beliefs because at the end of the day, they still have doubt and it terrifies them.

Originally posted by LosLobos

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow


You are correct, the word rapture does not appear in the Bible. The Bible says believers will be "caught up" to meet Jesus IN THE AIR. He does not return to the earth until after the tribulation. He returns with His armies from Heaven for the battle of Armageddon.

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Why torture us before he kills us? Why not just snap his fingers and end it for all the sinners and reward all the non sinners?

I just don't understand why he has to waterboard us before he sends us off to hell.

God does not torture people. There is this thing called justice that most people do not recognize because it has become corrupted by people.

People send themselves to hell by not accepting the sacrifice that Jesus made for ALL of us.



"Bravo! Exactly! Christians don't even believe in what the bible says.

The bible says "its better to give than receive." A red blooded American Christian will never give away their wealth to the less fortunate."


That is why it says in the Bible, Matthew 19:24 - "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

Matthew 7:13 - "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.

Originally posted by Version100

Originally posted by General.Lee
But, if I'm right (and I am), you atheists are going to be s*itting yourselves big time. It give me peace of mind just knowing what will come to pass.

It gives you "peace of mind" to think of people suffering ?

I'm sure Jesus would approve.

I know right, some of them don't even understand how spiteful and ugly they really are.

reply to post by Threadfall


I don't know if that's true or not, but it is plausible, and it's very well said.

further to my previous post;

no man know the day or hour is a reference to the feast of trumpets, as the feast would not start until the priests had blown the trumpet, depending on the lunar cycle - no man knew the day or hour it would start - but they knew 'roughly what time" the feast was likely to occur - hence the warning to "watch", or "be ready" - and "when you see these things know it is soon"

interesting the greek word 'blepo" is used here - which means, "use your eyes"!

Yehoshuah's audience during his speech of Matt 24 would have immediately made that connection

I have found the below link which refers to many chapters you can read online, to be a great source - enjoy!

endtimesforecaster.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by LosLobos

Originally posted by CrazyZain

This is a loaded topic. I believe everyone should have some spiritual belief in them!

This is a good point you're making. It's one thing to have a spiritual belief in something. Its another thing to have a spiritual belief in something that people don't practice in their every day lives.

This world would be a better place if not for religion. This world would be a better place if we just all got along and figured out we need to save the planet from ourselves.

Religion flew planes into buildings. Religion wiped out the native Americans. Religion made people drink poison in Jonestown. Religion made people kill themselves thinking some space ship would pick them up at the next stop. The list goes on and on about how religion is the worst invention in history.

Religion is man-made.

God is God. The Bible is His guide to us for life.

Do not confuse the two.

...May 21st has nothing to do with any Jewish Fall Feast holidays.. i checked my bible too see if perhaps May 21st was close enough to Pentecost.. ( Shavuot).. 7 Sabbaths after Passover.. then the next Sunday was supposedly when the Holy spirit was given.. but.. nope.. wrong day.. wrong Holiday.. my best guess for the return of Yashua would be his Elenin thing returning in Late September coinciding with Yom Kippor.. the day of Judgment..
as for if they do anything on may 21. it would be a hoax.. fake rapture or something like that.. perhaps a staged alien invasion.. IDK.. but whatever it is its fake.. or perhaps more Haarp.. and God forbid.. maybe Yellowstone.....
This is my first post and reply ... =) yay..

Originally posted by Common Scarecrow
God does not torture people. There is this thing called justice that most people do not recognize because it has become corrupted by people.

But he allows us to torture each other? What exactly is the difference? He knew Bush and Cheney were going to torture people. Why didn't he stop that?

Maybe he just likes to watch huh?

We can go back and forth but man's sin is his sin also. He may of died for our sins but we are also dying for his sins.

reply to post by Common Scarecrow


So your saying god wrote the bible?

Wait, let me guess, it was written from his "word"?