What if America falls?

I cannot image the US continuing as is.

Most of it will ask to join Canada to form the North American Congress. The geographical segments of the US will form mini-governments to deal with their local problems.

The thing most people fail to understand is we have been infiltrated by the powers that be who control Britain, Europe and the US. We are just one head of a many headed beast. Look up the amero and you will begin to understand there will be no more US. It will be the American Union, with the dollar being replaced with the Amero.

With it our constitution will go, no constitution no America. We will still be here just not the country you will recognize. The only thing you will probably notice is the drastic reduction in your quality of life.

Through our history the have created a problem, watched us suffer and then gave us a solution that they say is the answer to all of our problems.

reply to post by armtx


The smart farmer will buy the cheaper gas and store it until he can use it,instead of waiting for he right crop conditions and then buying the gas,hope farmers are smart that way,gd luck to them.

Originally posted by Authenticated


Americans are used to being "#1"..I don't think the U.S. government would allow America to fall..I know its suppose to happen but I think another war will start before then..or something along those lines.

edit on 8-5-2011 by Authenticated because: (no reason given)

the only thing we are #1 in is our military...sadly...every other aspect of regular peoples lives are far down on the list.
while i do not believe we will follow the path of roman decline, i think ours will be more like englands.
i think our belief in our own exceptionalism tracks fairly close to that of the german population in the 1930's, and that is what scares the hell out of me.
this country has moved away from "we the people" to "we the wealthy" as far as control, but this has been happening for decades. recent case in point...40 billion a year tax break for the wealthy signed into law in december 2010, 38 billion cut in services signed in law for the middle class and poor in april 2011. how this can be designed, and carried through, by the republican house of representatives makes them...in my eyes...economic terrorists. it's so blatant, it's not even hidden anymore. it's their way of saying..."we'll give you crumbs, only if you give us 1/2 the cake". any person with an elementary understanding of percentages, can readily see the vast economic power of the wealthy. race relations, abortion, immigration, foriegn wars, god, guns, and gay people are simply distractions, as the wealth magicians hide the other hand of reality.

reply to post by ExCommando


What if? It's more a question of "when". America will fall, and it'll fall hard. I love America, love my American brothers. But like all great civilizations fell, so will America. Question is, will we rebuild America and fix the wrongs? Or...?

Well considering that the US has defaulted on past debt to begin with, the chances of the US no longer being number 1 are slim. If the powers within the establishment think that the US will no longer be #1, then they will default the debt, and start over. They have used this practice cycle for decades. Is it morally correct? One wouldn't think so. But no one will act against us if we did default. I just don't see countries going to war over a failed monetary policy.
Regardless though, what would help prevent the " fall " would be to put some type of tangible asset on the dollar, so that it holds its value. Thats the smart thing to do, but will it happen? Most likely not, do to the fact that the TPTB would no longer be able to print money and create credit out of thin air.

The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (now incorporated) has had bankruptcies in the past and survived.

www.apfn.net...

Inflation (profit margins) will continue to climb, but America as most of the world knows us will not "fall". We are a Republic where individual States would succeed if the US government got too aggressive with Federal taxation.

The only way this country could fall is if we were occupied by another country's military (like we have done in Iraq) to form a new government. Obviously, there will be no invasion of the USA. Our nuclear deterrent will assure that.

Global markets would have to use a new currency (bancorp?) if the U.S. dollar fails.

i wll laugh my head off,there well overdue there bully tactics to come back and slap them!

What If America falls?

I would imagine if we fell many countries wouldn't be to far behind us after all we are the worlds largest group of consumers not to mention the worlds bread basket we are a huge exporter of grain many people and places would go hungry if we fell.

I don't understand why so many people think if we fall that we are going to fall alone.

I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon on this one. I am not an expert on economics, but I don't see how America is going to "fall". What do you mean by "fall"? It seems like 85% of everyone who has this opinion doesn't even know what they mean. I imagine you mean something similar to the great depression? That could happen, but it doesn't mean its the utter end of America. Only a few decades after the great depression our nation was in one of its most prosperous and best times.

I just don't buy it, things change with the ebb and flow of time, but I don't see any evidence. Maybe because I live in the heartland where things are simpler and not in a highly populated city? I see evidence of cities being left uncared for in some parts, but the more you see this the more people around that are getting serious and trying to fix it.

America just had a job boom supposedly, after the death of Bin Laden if that is what happened. Whatever it was, it seems to have worked a little. It's possible America could be overtaken as the worlds economic leader, if it has not been already, but it doesn't really worry me personally.

I don't understand how the world relies on the US so much that everyone would suffer if the dollar lost its value? Then again like I said I'm not economics expert, just flaunting my opinion.

JUst a short reply for you all to add in to your scenarios:

We do not manufacture, most of the corn in the midwest is "crap" corn and ethanol corn, our largest fleet are the export ships that sit rusting. What does America have that the world needs or what NAT/NWO needs? WE are the dog of war. SO many like to pretend their countries are lily white and rub their hands in glee with the thought of the US failing... guess what? We wont "fail". We can be allowed to "fail". We have a military such as the world has never seen... and plenty of bodies and tech. IN fact, thats ALL we have to offer your world government now. Want to believe the BS about us being so over stretched and over extended.. go ahead. We are your big dog on a leash.. what would your countries do if they couldnt use us as they have AND DO ( Libya lately) ? YOUR countries and our govt have made it this way.. cant wash your hands of it in reality. So, what happens when your barking dog dies? You speak Farsi or Mandarin and live the glamorous life of Mogadishu. Keep wishing for it. If it were up to me, we'd pull out of all of your little wars and let you fall under your own arrogance without military/OUR money back up. What is so hard to realize about the idea that we made up the war on terror to justify being used for this global BS? We'd never been attacked by YOUR enemies before.

BTW, Good Canadians.. fight against this NAU... unless you want to be used as we are to fight other peoples battles, bring home coffins and feel hatred from the people of the very nations youre fighting for... for your trouble. Our Govt is completely compromised... dont let it infect you.

Im not being arrogant about the US. I didnt make it this way... our collective governments did. I personally dont want to be your dog and I dont want to have to police your world. The us is large enough and has enough resources that we do not actually NEED you or any thing you have. In reality, we CAN be self sufficient if we desire to be. Im sick of funding your military. Im sick of being used and Im sick of these soft occupations. Im sick of bombing your enemies and neighbors into " democracies" so they arent a threat to you. We, the US, could be at complete peace with the world if we werent used constantly by corrupt and immoral organizations like NATO and ETC.... and we got rid of the fools in our own country that are agreeable to being a cog in your world government.
IE Italy has been threatened by Ghaddafi... why doesnt Italy fight its own battles and not involve us? Israel and Iran/everyone... let Israel fight her own battles... Im sick of babysitting the loud mouthed kids. Id prefer it that way. We manufacture a "war on terror" to justify allowing ourselves to be the world govts dog of war... and I for one wish we had the intestinal fortitude to use our might to destroy these people and nations holding the leash and leave the pathetic little religious kooks with their jihad to their own dramas..... and allow mighty Europe to clean up its own mess with the jihadists on their back door. If thats one of your nations, so sorry.. clean up your own back yard before whining about mine.

IMO.. we wont fail.. but be reorganized. Im not so thrilled with this. Id love it if we left the rest of the world to clean up their own messes and if they want to play war, use their own sons and daughters. We are not an empire. We dont even conquer as we are not "allowed" to.

Way to go some of you buying into the US is a big bad ol boogeyman. Thanks for supporting the NWO and supporting my countries station in the world as the dog of war. You all just remember... kick a dog one too many times and youre likely to get bitten. I hope Im alive for the day when we bite back and end this farce.

reply to post by RSF77


"America just had a job boom supposedly, after the death of Bin Laden if that is what happened. "

I can assure you that on the east coast there was no job boom from the death of bin laden at least where I live me and almost everyone I talk to has lost their job or has had to settle on something.

Originally posted by AmerikanDekline
What If America falls?

I would imagine if we fell many countries wouldn't be to far behind us after all we are the worlds largest group of consumers not to mention the worlds bread basket we are a huge exporter of grain many people and places would go hungry if we fell.

I don't understand why so many people think if we fall that we are going to fall alone.

edit on 9-5-2011 by AmerikanDekline because: (no reason given)

Good point. Many around the world dont understand that ever since the introduction of the US dollar as the reserve currency, which in turn tied the markets into a " global " market, if we fall, then all others will follow suit.

Trust me, my friend. The YEN won't be the world's currency if USA falls.

It's much more likely to be the YUAN.

Following on from Watcher 3339's excellent response.

In times of great economic turmoil,there generally tends to be two courses of action that can be followed;the "global dominance" policy whereby a nation will attempt to saturate global markets with its "products" this is an ideal strategy if the nation in question is sitting at the peak of its power or potential,both financial and militarily,after all not every other nation may want to buy in to the "empire building" of the dominant nation and as such,they may require some "persuasion" to toe the line.The US has aggresively followed this path(very succesfully too) since the outbreak of WW2.and herein lies the problem.The US has become so succesful that it is now overstretching itself,after all even the most powerful nations have finite resources,instead of militarily enterng a country and imposing their will in a quick clinical manner,they find themselves becoming bogged down and no nation can sustain this policy without a breaking point being reached.
The second option involves isolationism,as alluded to by Watcher 3339,whereby the nation in question will dramatically curtail its involvement globally and focus entirely on itself,an example being Germany during the start of the National Socialist period,where massive building and rearmament prgrammes were initiated guaranteeing virtual full employment.
If the US adopt the isolationist model,there is every chance that they would emerge at least as strong as before the current financial dire straits that they find themselves in.

reply to post by Realms


"Good point. Many around the world dont understand that ever since the introduction of the US dollar as the reserve currency, which in turn tied the markets into a " global " market, if we fall, then all others will follow suit."

Well spoken my friend. Iv'e just been seeing a lot of people on here praising the idea of America falling, but fear they don't fully understand the things to come if that does indeed happen. Like you stated we are all tied together in a global market and if we fall I can promise we won't be alone. Be careful what you wish for people....you just might get it...

If the U.S. falls the world will become totaly unstable and will lead to what all ready is coming anyways.World War 3...The unrest going on in the world just has not hit how serous all of this will get.

Originally posted by watcher3339
It will not fall.
There may be unrest. There may be transition. And the rest of the world may get very, very pissed by the time we have put our financial house in order, but the U.S. and its actual economic position will not fall.

1. China, much to their dismay, can't afford for it to fall.

2. We feed the world. Cut our dollar. Jack up oil. Do whatever you must. And then watch our food export prices simply rise to the new occasion.

3. Despite the enacted policies of the last several decades the individualism of U.S. culture is far better suited to isolationism than it is to the globalist "its a small world after all". We can feed ourselves. We can build shelter. Most Americans, yes even the elitist leftists who would rather not admit it, don't REALLY care what the rest of the world thinks. We could default tomorrow and many would consider it finally being paid for everything that has been placed on our shoulders over the past decades in terms of policing the world.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that Americans don't care about people around the world, as a people we are very caring and sharing, especially in good times. It's just that we tend to be a home first kind of place. If things get really hairy we will just close the door, pull the shutters, and wait for the storm to pass. And it will.

Your post is mostly wrong. The US government can't make 1 + 1 = 3 regardless of how much it wants to be #1. Anybody who has learned fractions can look at the increasing ever-increasing fraction of money the government destroys and through basic math come to the conclusion the USA will default on its debts. You can't wish your way into prosperity. The US is falling and will continue to fall for as long as the two-party monster remains in power. If you're voting for an (R) or a (D) then chances are you're voting for disaster.

You say "our dollar". Nope they are not your dollars... they belong to the Federal Reserve. Every note in circulation is due back several times over. And if you actually burn or severely deface a US dollar you are considered a criminal because they aren't your dollars and you aren't allowed to treat them as your property.

There is something that can replace the US dollar... and your right, its not the Yen, its value-backed currency. And that is exactly what will happen over time. Some have said all of our economics gains have to do with our money system. Wrong, ALL of our economics gains in the past all of eternity have to do with technology and innovation. Last time I checked, it wasn't bankers who discovered fire. Its like these people who credit the banks for US economic success have never heard of electricity, computers.

The very biggest difference between the US and other countries is its foundations in the principles of liberty. However, at one point around the year of 1970 the principles of slavery have been on a come-back while liberty takes a back seat. And gee what do you know... the middle class stopped growing and the poverty class is increasing. Totally predictable. And its totally 100% predictable that as long as the spending to GDP ratio keeps going up, the US will continue on a path to 2nd rate or even 3rd world status.

You say "we feed the world". Are you a farmer? Then you don't feed a single person. Farmers feed the world and you've got nothing to do with it... don't take credit for things you don't do.

The idea that isolationist trade policies are beneficial is just plain stupid. Look at the facts. Web search "economic impact of trade barriers" or some such thing... if you find any well-done study in support of trade isolationism, then make a new thread because you found something huge that nobody looking at the facts (like me) has ever seen. I'd be happy to supply you with the first five studies I find if you want to challenge me on this point if its something you really want to know about.

"We can build shelter." No - construction workers can build shelter. Unless you are a construction worker, then you don't build shelter. And if you were such a person, you can build a house for anybody you want to inside or outside the USA, in a free country.

"We can default tomorrow." No - The US government isn't "we" because America is not a Democracy. The USA is a corporate police Republic because of policies like for example tight border controls (that always end up helping criminals and big corporations while hurting small companies). A low-cost framework for civil lawsuits are all the corporate regulation we ever need in the USA for economic success. Police checkpoints to "check your papers" are getting set up across America because they want to enforce those isolationist policies you like so much.

Originally posted by Advantage
We do not manufacture, most of the corn in the midwest is "crap" corn and ethanol corn, our largest fleet are the export ships that sit rusting. What does America have that the world needs or what NAT/NWO needs?

Your post is quite long, so I'll just try to reply on the first bit that I have some knowledge about. I did read it all though.

We do manufacture, we manufacture more electronics than japan and a lot of the worlds civilian aircraft and export a large number of military techs. That "crap" corn feeds cattle as well, to produce tasty milk and beef.

Five myths about U.S. Exports

U.S. exports rose sharply in 2010

Wiki - List of countries by export value

Third in the world, I don't see how that says the US doesn't export anything.