What if America falls?

There seem to be some rather strong feelings here in both directions regarding a North American Union or a NAU or global currency. So, I thought I would share my own, somewhat mixed, feelings.

North American Union: Sure, sure, it's all economic right? The E.U. started out that way too. Interdependent countries who relied upon each other for economic growth would not only grow, but wouldn't keep getting into endless wars with each other. Brilliant! Fast forward and Ireland isn't allowed to ban abortions because then people appeal to the E.U. court and it is deemed an E.U. right.... We think we have arguments now about power distribution between State and Federal Level. Our sovereignty would be effectively gone within two generations at most (and I think a lot closer to a decade).

That said, the progression of history from family to clan to tribe to nation seems to indicate that this next level jump is inevitable and the handwriting is already on the wall.

But how much more power did a man have over his fate when society was organized by family and clan? I don't think many Americans (Mexicans, U.S., or Canadians) are eager to sign on for less control of their own lives. On that one point I think most of us are already united.

Originally posted by watcher3339


But how much more power did a man have over his fate when society was organized by family and clan?

Likely not much, as he would still have been accountable to anyone more wealthy and powerful than him in the region.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by watcher3339


But how much more power did a man have over his fate when society was organized by family and clan?

Likely not much, as he would still have been accountable to anyone more wealthy and powerful than him in the region.

But at those times the people who held power were relatives. He had access to them. He knew them. Today in the U.S. some people have real access to their local representatives. The further you go up the chain the less access the individual person has, and as a result he is less able to plead his case and make his opinion know.

That's why the States are supposed to hold the majority of power in this country. Even though it hasn't been working out that way.

Now, take the Ireland situation. Ireland is largely against abortion due to religous reasons. The people of that country agree in large enough numbers that their law reflects that state of affairs. But, in the E.U. as a whole the sentiment is different. So, the individual desire for abortion to be illegal is being over ridden by the E.U. court.

Each person had more say in the way that their lives were legislated before the E.U. than they do after.

In each level up power is consolidated into the hands of fewer and fewer people. The end result is that the control of the individual over their own life is increasingly diminished.

the best scenario would be to have all or military back on us soil and waters.

let the rest of the world deal with the up and coming powers who want to take over the #1 spot.russia, china, denmark.

we have enough man power and brains and resources to let the rest of the world fight it out. while we get our poop in a pile.

we would probably be unassailable while we get back on our feet with less commitments and enemies. (since we won't be in the mid east, besides, israel can take care of herself.

given the wrong leadership we could cripple the whole world if we wanted. emp's sat killers, etc.

i like the idea to let the dogs out. we could be the next north korea x1,000,000.

get rid of the bleeding hearts, kill or be killed would be on our minds.

we'd cull some "friends" and back up the ones needed for balance.

screw the multi corps, we can start again, the right way.

the rest of the world will have to live up to the us standards to be recognized or we will get down and dirty at their level despite the current PC.

civil unrest? yes, what do you expect? lol!

deportation is a good thing, you don't like it here, we will send you to a more "appropriate" country.

geeze, i sound radical. but there is no way this scenario is nazi like.

consequences would be more severe, for dissension and hate against the gov. don't like it? leave. there is enough pc and abuse of the constitution as is and that is the problem.

the constitution/bill of rights are for american citizens, not everyone in the world or standing on our soil. get ya own constitution/bill of rights.

lobbyists, special interest groups, unlimited term limits, will be "frowned" upon. by the population, i hope.

it might take decades but the world might sort themselves out in that time, without the US. great!

mexico and canada borders will be one way, out.

you want to come here? prove your worth. no eco refugee's.

sounds like a bad scene in the US but hey, it's about survival and evolution. evolve or die. same as us and the rest of the natural world.


the only way everybody else can spout and scream and act out is because of the USA. take us out of the equation and they are in the dark,

lost, they will have to refocus on YOUR country! good luck wit dat.

america will not "fall" we will "reload"

sorry, had to throw that in, i think it's appropriate to the hypothetical situation.

Originally posted by Legion2024
We will be fine down under,

As long as our Pm keeps her nose out of it all. All will be good. We might pay a little more for our lcd tv or that brand new iphone and white goods, as a lot of our imports are mostly from areas such as Asia, other then that life goes on

LOL The ranga will not keep her nose out of it - I've never been more embarrassed than when the ranga opens her mouth to fall all over the words of the US.

There is no thought or reason, it's just pandering.

reply to post by fooks


I agree with the sentiment of America pooling it's resources back home - would it really create that much instability in the middle east if America pulled its troops and came home?

How much are the combined conflicts (Stan and Iraq) costing the US a month?

What will they gain from it (monetary) at the end?

Originally posted by ExCommando
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I agree with the sentiment of America pooling it's resources back home - would it really create that much instability in the middle east if America pulled its troops and came home?

How much are the combined conflicts (Stan and Iraq) costing the US a month?

What will they gain from it (monetary) at the end?

i think it wouldn't create much, it might expose the actual might of countries there, which would be a good thing.

stan and iraq would have to sink or swim.

like i said, without the US in the mideast, people will not have the US to demonize or count on.

they will have to step up to the line. israel can take care of herself. the buttholes will be scared poopless to attack her when the US is not backing her or caring if she levels whomever.

kill or be killed, evolve or die out.

i am thinking of the USA, i have no doubt you aussies can defend yourselves. ya need help in a bad situation? no problem.

we be there i'm sure, but everyone has to stand up. clean house, let the islamic countries expell the westerners and all they brought, let everyone do what has to be done for their country.

screw travel, as much as i like to travel to these countries, i'd rather my decendents get there and have a great and safe visit or life there.

NWO does not mean these chumps control everyone. they can't.

NWO can mean WE are in control. gotta start at the top, tho.

Originally posted by fooks

Originally posted by ExCommando
reply to post by fooks

 

I agree with the sentiment of America pooling it's resources back home - would it really create that much instability in the middle east if America pulled its troops and came home?

How much are the combined conflicts (Stan and Iraq) costing the US a month?

What will they gain from it (monetary) at the end?

i think it wouldn't create much, it might expose the actual might of countries there, which would be a good thing.

stan and iraq would have to sink or swim.

like i said, without the US in the mideast, people will not have the US to demonize or count on.

they will have to step up to the line. israel can take care of herself. the buttholes will be scared poopless to attack her when the US is not backing her or caring if she levels whomever.

kill or be killed, evolve or die out.

i am thinking of the USA, i have no doubt you aussies can defend yourselves. ya need help in a bad situation? no problem.

we be there i'm sure, but everyone has to stand up. clean house, let the islamic countries expell the westerners and all they brought, let everyone do what has to be done for their country.

Australia is a big inhospitable country - if invaded, we would secure the south east quadrant and let them take the rest

reply to post by ExCommando


who the hell could take it from you?

anyone trying would have some serious issues to overcome.

china? doubt it.

japan? lol, with what they are going through now?

indo or maylay? doubt it.

russia is too far.

NZ? maybe!

You should ask Soros and his masters, the Rothschilds. It's their plan to destroy America so that it is no longer a superpower. Their plan is a Totalitarian Utopia where they are the wealthy and the rest of us(the ones that survive the depopulation agenda) are their slaves. America is the last frontier of Liberty and Freedom through the Constitution.

reply to post by fooks


The situation when Katrina hit comes to mind when i think of the internal struggle America will soon face.The freeloaders will riot,loot,and murder for whatever worth they can get their hands on. It will be a scary time for those of us unfortunate to live in the confines of the freeloaders. Eventually the freeloaders will die off but they will have dealt a severe blow to the recovery.

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It would be one hell of a mission to take Australia - but think of all the resources we have. Pretty appealing.

But yes, extremely difficult to say the least.

reply to post by watcher3339


I would agree, your average American likes having National Sovereignty, and also likes Canada and Australia and other countries having their National Sovereignty.

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Rome...Babylon....Tomatoe Tomahtoe XD

Originally posted by ExCommando

Originally posted by Legion2024
We will be fine down under,

As long as our Pm keeps her nose out of it all. All will be good. We might pay a little more for our lcd tv or that brand new iphone and white goods, as a lot of our imports are mostly from areas such as Asia, other then that life goes on

LOL The ranga will not keep her nose out of it - I've never been more embarrassed than when the ranga opens her mouth to fall all over the words of the US.

There is no thought or reason, it's just pandering.

Agreed, At lest we wont have to put up with the earlobes to much longer and maybe we can get back to making money instead of blowing the lot,

Originally posted by Scytherius
Well ... it has failed as a Democracy. The Neocons have seen to that. And it's failure will be a good thing as this dump of a Nation needs to fail. Perhaps something better can be built.

The Framers of the Constitution made it a Republic. All this business about Democracies comes from the World Socialists.
DSA stands for Democratic Socialists of America. Neocons are leftists who moved into the Republican camp. Dump of a Nation? Feel free to move to Cuba or Venezuela anytime.

America? no, is not going to fall, continents don't fall.

Now, countries inside the continents, well, yes, those do fall.

This is a good thread, lots of well thought responses and posts. For historical context;

The Federal reserve created in 1913 gave extraordinary power over American Banking system to unelected individuals and international bankers.

In 1971, President Nixon removed the US dollar from its Gold backed status, and replaced it with the Petro Dollar system.

These two events are coming together today, and are cause of banking crisis, debt crisis, the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and probably Iran in the next few years. The Federal Reserve makes unilateral decisions regarding the Economy; banking, debt, interest, inflation, currency supply, every piece of the American economy rests in their hands.
The Petro dollar system allowed congress to spend as much as it wants without accountability. When the US dollar was backed by Gold, they could not spend like drunken sailors in a nightclub. With the Petro-Dollar system, drinks are on the house. ( the house being US taxpayer ).
So, we have congress spending at will, backed by Federal Reserve which creates money by simply printing it, and loaning it to US government at interest. The collateral for these loans to print money are the US taxpayer.



The US Dollar was the settlement currency for world trade, as was agreed at the Bretton Woods treaty of 1947. When the US abandoned the treaty in 1971 by creating a Fiat currency ( petro dollar), it set the stage for todays banking crisis, which is connected but still separate from the US Dollar Crisis.

As was mentioned earlier, many nations are abandoning the US dollar and signing trade treaties settling in RMB, Ruble, Euro, GBP, and Yen. in the future we will probably see a basket of currencies as manner to settle trade, but either way the US dollar will continue to be decimated. The level of collapse will depend entirely on the US governments ability to manage its debt and deficit.

I dont think there is a global conspiracy, but terribly decisions by various administrations that found it easier to delegate responsibility than accept it themselves. Events in 1913 and 1971 are the source of todays environment and problems, unless we change source of problem, we will continue along this path.
The US will probably end up like Spain or Portugal. The Decline of this Nation will be well documented and remembered by descendants in a few dozen or a hundred years, we will be just another history lesson in a Chinese economics class.

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only one problem with that.

why show your hand?

you kill everyone and think i won't be pissed off at that or i won't find out who you are?

you think that will work? in reality?

how far behind the curtain can you hide?

silly.

sorry third eye, i didn't mean to sound like i am against your view.
just kinda backing you up.

there have been a number of good comments/dialogue coming from a number of you. I do however, have a gut feeling that watcher3339 has a more of a believable approach or pulse to the situation though.