Taitz Thrown Off MSNBC For Bringing Up Obama's Social Security Number

Basic propaganda that 'birthers' are all 'crazy'. Wow. This crap reinforces my beliefs that he's a liar. American media has failed the American public once again.

Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by userid1

 

See, I called it.

Same trick as Sinnthia. The actual documents from government sources aren't good enough, now they want a statement from the head of SS. When they get that, they will want a signed sworn statement from Obama. When they get that, they will want a time portal opened into the past to see for themselves.

See response from Aptness on previous page.

reply to post by aptness


Nope.

Birthers have shown testimony from experts, and dozens if not hundreds of video analysis. They have shown how or why they think the document is fake.

Sinnthia is saying that proof presented in this thread isn't good enough, but won't say why or how.

Your comparison is not cogent.

Originally posted by Byteman
If we both went to court, and I said "here is my claim and proof", then you say "that proof is not good enough but I won't say how or prove why".

Who do you think would win that court case?

Not you.

I would, easily. Where do you practice law? If you accuse me of a crime and take me to court, you will have to present the evidence. The judge will decide if your evidence is good enough before I have to do anything. If your evidence sucks, I win. Wow!

By refusing to participate equally in this discussion, and give exactly what you are asking for, you consent that our proof is good enough.

Oh then Obama must have been impeached since my last post? No?

If you can prove that these videos are fake, then do so.
If you can prove the documents are fake, then do so.

I do not need to. You need to prove they are real. Sorry.

Currently all you have is your goal-post moving tactic, where all proof isn't proof just because it counters your claim that there is no proof.

edit on 3-5-2011 by Byteman because: spelling error

You keep saying I am moving the goal posts all while I keep asking for the same thing.

Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by aptness

 

Nope.

Birthers have shown testimony from experts, and dozens if not hundreds of video analysis. They have shown how or why they think the document is fake.

List those experts and post every single video right here. You all talk about hundreds of "video analysis" but all I see are a handful of kids on youtbue saying stuff. Name your experts because I think you are talking out of your behind.

Sinnthia is saying that proof presented in this thread isn't good enough, but won't say why or how.

You cannot explain how it PROVES anything or what it is PROOF of. See how it works? I honestly thin you do not understand the youtube videos. I do not think any of you do. None of you can explain what they are proving. NOT ONE OF YOU.

Your comparison is not cogent.

The birther argument is not cogent.

Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by userid1

 

Oh look, an accusation that the presented documents have been altered.

Care to prove that?
Or is this just speculative libel?

For answer, See: "Birthers"

reply to post by Sinnthia


Ya look if you we post the proof you say its not good enough...
and turning this thread into a circus I'd respectfully ask you to simply refute the first BC video I posted. Look at it and tell us why all the discrepancies all these people are pointing out are there. Look into some vids about OCR (look for the one i already posted if you dont want to search) and tell us how any argument against them hold water...
tell us why Obama was using this SIN and quit moaning about how it was gotten or trying to discredit the people who got it.

reply to post by Sinnthia

I would, easily. Where do you practice law? If you accuse me of a crime and take me to court, you will have to present the evidence. The judge will decide if your evidence is good enough before I have to do anything. If your evidence sucks, I win. Wow!

It's clear that no proof is good enough for you. It is farcical that you keep talking about it, as if you would accept it if presented.

You assume that the judge would favor your "i won't defend my statements" defense. When really, he would laugh at the concept and give summary judgment to the only person presented an argument and proof to backup that argument.

If you refuse to refute the other sides claims in court, you lose.

I don't know why you think you can celebrate, you have displayed a gross ignorance of how the American Justice system works.

Oh then Obama must have been impeached since my last post? No?

Oh, I didn't know you were in a position to actually impeach obama. Oh, wait, you are saying that because I couldn't complete the impossible task of moving the entire judicial and legislature in one night, my proof isn't good enough.

This is just you demonstrating once again, that you have an unreasonable standard of proof.

I do not need to. You need to prove they are real. Sorry.

They are real, until proven otherwise. Again, you demonstrate gross ignorance of how concepts of proof work.

If you can prove these documents as fake, then do so.

You keep saying I am moving the goal posts all while I keep asking for the same thing.

Actually you haven't asked for anything. All you've done is say the proof is not good enough...no matter what proof is presented.

You still haven't properly listed the reasons these documents are not good enough. Aside of unproven accusation it's-just-not-good-enough-but-i-refuse-to-say-or-prove-how-or-whyism.

reply to post by userid1


Way to deflect from your claim.

You said the documents are fake, prove it or rescind your claim.

Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by userid1

 

Way to deflect from your claim.

You said the documents are fake, prove it or rescind your claim.

I did? Could you show me that quote?

Originally posted by UcDat
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

Ya look if you we post the proof you say its not good enough...

How will you ever know until you actually post some?

and turning this thread into a circus I'd respectfully ask you to simply refute the first BC video I posted.

Sure thing. You just explain it to me in your own words so that I know you understood it.

Look at it and tell us why all the discrepancies all these people are pointing out are there. Look into some vids about OCR (look for the one i already posted if you dont want to search) and tell us how any argument against them hold water...

You are all over the place. You asking me to prove claims made in a youtube video are not real claims? How about you prove they make any valid kind of sense? Why cant you make your own case instead of asking eveyrone else to just make a case against your claim? Now you want me to look into your videos OCR claim because someone else is going with that argument? I need you to focus.

tell us why Obama was using this SIN and quit moaning about how it was gotten or trying to discredit the people who got it.

First you need to prove that he is using that SNN.
Then you need to prove he should not be.

I have to prove nothing. I am just a good old American and I have a printout too.
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Originally posted by Byteman
It's clear that no proof is good enough for you. It is farcical that you keep talking about it, as if you would accept it if presented.

Have you seen a mirror ever? Obama has presented two birth certificates. How did you guys take that? Never refuted either but refused to accept them didn' ya? Saying the word "proof" is not proof of anything. I have to believe you are doing this all as a joke. There is no proof of anything in this thread.

You assume that the judge would favor your "i won't defend my statements" defense. When really, he would laugh at the concept and give summary judgment to the only person presented an argument and proof to backup that argument.

So you think that even if you bring fraudulent evidence to court, the judge will rule in your favor because I refuse to refute your fraudulent evidence? Stop, I am seriously going to pee myself.

If you refuse to refute the other sides claims in court, you lose.

Oh god you are killing me. I hope you really believe that.

I don't know why you think you can celebrate, you have displayed a gross ignorance of how the American Justice system works.

WOW! OK. Well you cannot win a case on fake evidence and Obama has not been impeached yet so you celebrate if you like.

Oh, I didn't know you were in a position to actually impeach obama. Oh, wait, you are saying that because I couldn't complete the impossible task of moving the entire judicial and legislature in one night, my proof isn't good enough.

No I am saying you have no idea what the word "proof" means or what the concept of "proving" something entails.

This is just you demonstrating once again, that you have an unreasonable standard of proof.

You are really typing this stuff out in a birther thread? Big bowl of ironic for breakfast? I have A standard of proof. The ones who refuse to accept anything are the birthers.

They are real, until proven otherwise. Again, you demonstrate gross ignorance of how concepts of proof work.

So then this is real[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/77a20265bc4e.jpg[/atsimg]until you prove it is not?
Interesting how you seem to think things work. Do you believe every youtube video you see until someone debunks it for you?

If you can prove these documents as fake, then do so.

Um...you talking about the birth certificates? Have at it. I have been waiting for you to realize you need to prove they were fake. GET TO IT.

Actually you haven't asked for anything. All you've done is say the proof is not good enough...no matter what proof is presented.

No proof has been presented. I am sick of pretending you are not blatantly lying.

You still haven't properly listed the reasons these documents are not good enough. Aside of unproven accusation it's-just-not-good-enough-but-i-refuse-to-say-or-prove-how-or-whyism.

You mean that computer printout she has? One reason.
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Taitz is a nutcase, just like everyone else who doesn't accept the evidence present that Obama is in fact a natural born citizen and eligible for the office of the Presidency. His mother was a US citizen and that is enough to be considered a natural born citizen. He could have been born in Kenya (but he wasn't) and he would still be a natural born citizen. YOU DON'T NEED TO BE BORN ON US SOIL TO BE A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Get it though your thick heads already.

Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

I don't know why you think you can celebrate, you have displayed a gross ignorance of how the American Justice system works.

They are real, until proven otherwise. Again, you demonstrate gross ignorance of how concepts of proof work.

Really???

You take Obama to court and say he's illegally using a SS#. YOU have to prove YOUR case. He, as the defendent is NOT automatically assumed guilty (this isn't France). He need only show YOU do not have a case that's beyond a reasonable doubt.

Now, what happens when you get to court?

You - "Your Honor - these are my pieces of evidence of his guilt"
Obama's Atty - "Plaintiff Byteman - can you tell us where you acquired these documents?"
You - They come from the SS website."
Obama's Atty - "I see...so YOU personally entered the required information, posing as my client, and you "say" this is what you received?"
You - "Well...no. Actually, I got them from a completely unrelated website rather than the SS Admin's web site."
Obama'sAtty - "No further questions your Honor."

Now, would you say your testimony would help or hurt your case? Don't lecture folks on how the US legal system works when you yourself don't appear understand it.

Originally posted by Byteman
Your comparison is not cogent.

This is what you said—

The actual documents from government sources aren't good enough

The state of Hawaii has released two documents, the certification of live birth, aka the short form, which they issue to everyone asking for a copy of their birth certificate, and now a copy of the long form certificate, the document the birthers demanded for years, and claimed would shut them up for good if they got to look at it.

These are, not only, “the actual documents from government sources” but they are documents with the force of law of the facts therein described in any court.

These documents “aren’t good enough” for you birthers.

now they want a statement from the head of SS

The Director of the Department of Health issued, twice, official statements confirming Obama’s birth place and the existence of the original records, and has been on camera confirming these facts.

The, at the time, Republican governor issued an official statement confirming Obama was born in Hawaii. The new governor of Hawaii has stated, multiple times, the same thing.

These “aren’t good enough for you.”

How is my comparison “not cogent” again?


Regardless of what gets released, or who confirms what, the birthers continuously demand more documents, raise irrelevant non-issues, and put forward nonsensical conspiracy theories.

Not only is what you call ‘evidence’ completely subjective, most of it has been debunked, and a lot of it has been presented in court by nuts like Orly Taitz, that resulted in getting her ass handed to her.

But the crux of the matter — that you birthers still haven’t figured out — is, while you are here arguing the birth certificate is fake based on the rudimentary understanding of OCR and PDFs by your so called ‘experts,’ there is a physical document at the Department of Health, that says Obama was born in Hawaii.

And If you think two governors of a state from different political parties, two directors of the Department of Health, the state registrar, and the White House conspired to publish, not one, but two forged documents, when the courts had already ruled, time after time, only Congress can remove a sitting President, in order to try to appease a marginal number of nuts, you’re overestimating your movement’s importance by several orders of magnitude.

Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by aptness

 

Nope.

Birthers have shown testimony from experts, and dozens if not hundreds of video analysis. They have shown how or why they think the document is fake.

Sinnthia is saying that proof presented in this thread isn't good enough, but won't say why or how.

Your comparison is not cogent.

yep feel free to ignore them all and just post about the story or your impressions of it...
Until they present facts to match our own I say why waste our time...

Now things are really heating up with this if they allow her her day in court it will be the end of Obama's reign.

Originally posted by UcDat
Until they present facts to match our own I say why waste our time...

I’m unsure, at this point, if it’s funny or sad that you actually believe you have “facts of your own.”

Now things are really heating up with this if they allow her her day in court it will be the end of Obama's reign.

Read my response in your other thread here. Then read your statement above again.

Originally posted by aptness

Originally posted by UcDat
Until they present facts to match our own I say why waste our time...

I’m unsure, at this point, if it’s funny or sad that you actually believe you have “facts of your own.”

Now things are really heating up with this if they allow her her day in court it will be the end of Obama's reign.

Read my response in your other thread here. Then read your statement above again.

Sure has in the facts we posted not that we created them funny wordplay makes for a boring debate...

already read it and answered it maybe you should keep up

So anyone else feel like these folks do that only what the officials tell you can be true? Or is it just those who cant face the facts presented IE Obama is using a fraudulent SIN and the Long form bc is a fake and a bad one at that.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by UcDat

 

Well, I think it's obvious that Orly Taitz is a Reptilian.

I hadn't seen a video and heard the audio of her, before. But, look at those eyes!! Only a Reptilian would need that much mascara....this, to distract from her reptile eyes.....you can look, and see the double eyelids, too.

Oh, and that accent? Dead giveaway, as she hasn't quite mastered the English accent yet....I hear the Reptilian sibilants profoundly.

Surprised no one else caught on to that?

Yes, indeed .... the Reptilian UnderLords are worried about Obama...he is an impediment to their evil world domination plans....so, they sent her out.....

Ha! I can't tell if you're serious or not but that was awesome.