Nato strike 'kills Saif al-Arab Gaddafi', Libya says

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


I agree there are many other major players.

And where I got "France made me do it" is your statement that this was Nato and Frances baby. Its anyone who participates in making the babys baby, we cannot get all British here and blame France for our being there. (As they did with the US and Iraq.)

No one made us, or COULD make us go to that party.

^:O oh snap... I wonder if obama is going to be held responsible for this war crime... trying to front and pretend like the us is not in control of the campaign... Shameless. I wonder what nation will have the balls to actually confront and send an american president to trial like a nazi... and of course its the first black president trying to bring down africa smh I wonder what farachon has to say or will say. We started it lets finish it and keep it moving.

SLANDER SUCKS

Should be a wake up call to MoMar that we aren't kidding when we say he needs to step down.

reply to post by RSF77


Great, now that anti American troll will take that as gospel too. He only posts trying to get a rise out of people, I have yet to see an intelligent coment from him. Me thinks if we ignore him he'll go away.

I have a real funny feeling that Mutasim-Billah Gadhafi probably used this "opportunity", or orchestrated the event with NATO.

Gadhafi's fourth son, was a lieutenant colonel in the Libyan Army and later served as Libya's national security adviser. He also has spent time living in luxury in the West, including at his mansion in the London suburbs, and hobnobbing with the rich and powerful, according to published accounts. Like other members of the family, he also is an accomplished shakedown artist, according to a leaked U.S. diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks.

A July 2008 report from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli quoted a confidential informant as saying that Mutasim put pressure on the chairman of the National Oil Corp., Shukri Ghanem, to pay him $1.2 billion in cash and oil shipments. Ghanem told the confidant he was considering resigning because he feared Mutasim could seek revenge if he wasn't paid, it said. Mutasim also made headlines after WikiLeaks published the classified U.S. diplomatic cables when it was revealed that he paid pop stars Beyonce, Usher and other musicians $1 million to play at a New Year's Eve party in 2010 on the Caribbean island of St. Barts. Guests reportedly included Lindsay Lohan, music mogul Russell Simmons, the band Bon Jovi and Beyonce's husband, multimillionaire rapper Jay-Z. He is reportedly one of two Gadhafi sons -- the other being Khamis -- opposed to a peace plan being promoted by brothers Saif al-Islam and Saadi.

Source of above

reply to post by Itop1

Nato strike 'kills Saif al-Arab Gaddafi'...

says Libya

that would have to be one very smart bomb I think

so, there is no proof - either way

if in reality Saif al-Arab al-Gaddafi is dead - there's also no proof NATO killed him - not yet

Originally posted by Jobeycool
Coulda woulda shoulda does not mean much now.
I honesntly think this will evolve into world war 3. along with the massive debt crisis that is a world wide problem.

edit on 1-5-2011 by Jobeycool because: (no reason given)

I think WW3 is possible, this all has indirect ties back to Israel/Palestine.

Even Arab leaders most critical of the United States’ intervention in the Middle East support us now. Qaddafi was accused of being directly involved in a plot to assassinate King Abdullah.

My focus is now on the question of; Is this part of a policy of boosting democratic change in that region sincere, or is it a part of a policy of bolstering the position of the Persian Gulf dictators who are important clients of arms manufacturers?

While the Saudi and Yemeni dictatorships have been very cooperative in fighting Iran and Terrorism. The Saudi’s wouldn’t have the need to have repression if Libya, Iran and Syria were all democracies. See what I’m getting at? Yet they work behind the scenes.

Does intervention in Libya help Bahrain?

On another note Gaddafi referred to Obama as his brother in the past. He was being friendly to the west ever since he allegedly gave up his terrorist ambitions.

Originally posted by michaelknives52
^:O oh snap... I wonder if obama is going to be held responsible for this war crime... trying to front and pretend like the us is not in control of the campaign... Shameless. I wonder what nation will have the balls to actually confront and send an american president to trial like a nazi... and of course its the first black president trying to bring down africa

smh I wonder what farachon has to say or will say. We started it lets finish it and keep it moving.

SLANDER SUCKS

Last few months you guys were saying he was weak for not going in with guns blazing. Now you're saying he is a war criminal for going in with guns blazing.

Killing MoMar's kid is a lot less than when Truman killed millions of innocent Japanese for nothing. Or Bush killing hundreds of thousands of people for revenge and oil.

Oh yeah, and there's that little thing you guys claim that he let 9/11 happen. So why tag Obama as a war criminal for killing a terrorist but not tag Bush or Truman for killing people for nothing?

reply to post by adifferentbreed


I don't think he was honestly trolling, just expressing his biased opinion in which hes entitled to here.

Nothing is funnier to me than reading westerners complain about the west taking action against other nationalities. It's like going to a sports event and seeing a guy rooting for the away team, because he thinks hes smarter than everyone else on his side of the stands.

Originally posted by michaelknives52
^:O oh snap... I wonder if obama is going to be held responsible for this war crime... trying to front and pretend like the us is not in control of the campaign... Shameless. I wonder what nation will have the balls to actually confront and send an american president to trial like a nazi... and of course its the first black president trying to bring down africa

smh I wonder what farachon has to say or will say. We started it lets finish it and keep it moving.

SLANDER SUCKS

The sad thing about that is Gaddafi referred to Obama as his brother in the past. It doesnt make him look to good, but France went first. Maybe this is why.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

I agree there are many other major players.

And where I got "France made me do it" is your statement that this was Nato and Frances baby. Its anyone who participates in making the babys baby, we cannot get all British here and blame France for our being there. (As they did with the US and Iraq.)

No one made us, or COULD make us go to that party.

My point was never anywhere near apologizing for America. Again, I was responding to a person who was saying this was an entirely US-led event, which it isnt'. Pointing out this is France's baby doesn't mean the US isn't involved, nor does it mean they forced us into it, and to imply otherwise is disingenuous. said nothing of the sort.

It's like you are actually trying to twist my words, repeatedly. Which is likely why you dont quote my words and wait until you can appear on a new page.

reply to post by Konah


sure support the dictator while he makes billions but dishes out 2 dollars a day for his people....i would support him too if i had a gun to my head.

Originally posted by alphabetaone
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

I think you guys are not giving Pastamancer some of the credit he deserves.

He's simply taking a middle of the road approach to a subject that has no real conclusion. Long-winded, perhaps, but I don't view any of what he has said as being overly compassionate about the media, nor making an attempt at disinformation.

You have to read the content of what people have posted many times for possible contextual anomalies....the way YOU understood it versus the way it was intended.

Maybe THIS, is part of the actual problem....knee-jerk reaction vs. an attempt at understanding?

Nah.

Perhaps I was a bit too harsh. I apologise for that, but I still stand behind the meaning of my post.

Originally posted by RSF77
reply to post by adifferentbreed

 

Nothing is funnier to me than reading westerners complain about the west taking action against other nationalities. It's like going to a sports event and seeing a guy rooting for the away team, because he thinks hes smarter than everyone else on his side of the stands.

Oh. My. God.

I might have to make that my new sig. What an epic description of the blame America/Gaddafi's a hero crowd.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


Thanks, I'm honored.

Originally posted by wonderworld

I think WW3 is possible,

You know why that is truly possible? Because, as Americans, we get side tracked with nonsense. We take our eyes off the ball every time Trump or whoever spouts off hatred of our own Government. When we do that then it underminds our entire system. Then you get folks like Bradley Manning giving away our secrets. Or the mass media second guessing and defiling our President.

Everything Obama says is parsed to infinity. I don't remember anyone parsing any other Presidents words as much as they do Obama's words. Quite frankly, no one ever cared what Bush said unless it was in prime time. But now, they follow Obama around every second of the day. They even record the man off camera then play it for the world to hear. Poor Michelle can't even leave the house without Rush disrespecting her and her kids.

WWIII will be started by the American People. Not anything government has done but what the people forced the government to do. Even now the people are saying, "why go into Libya but not Syria"? Why why why. Pretty soon we will have to go into Syria because poll numbers will start to slip.

We can all sit and play Monday morning President until the cows come home. But none of us know what the real President knows.

reply to post by DOUGH3914


Well that isn't our call to make. It is up to the people of that nation to fight their own battles. That is like a group of 10,000 people revolted in the US and you getting the UN to back them up. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

The mission was a no-fly zone not to bomb compounds. Russia, China, and Brazil all oppose us killing Gaddafi or his son!

International law does not explicitly forbid attacks on military commanders during wartime, but the U.N. Security Council mandate authorizing NATO action charged alliance forces with establishing a no-fly zone and protecting civilians from attack.

Security council members Russia, China and Brazil have warned that attempts to change the regime or eliminate its members would be a violation of the mandate.

We are supposed to provide front line support not attack places that we think are a strategic relevance.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I disagree with your interpretation of what a free market is, and how it acts. You are far from Adam Smiths version, and well into the corporatist version.

However. We are far off topic at this point. As much as I like economics, this thread is what is happening to Gaddafi and his family and we really should stay there, even though economics is a factor. I dont want to detract too much from the important topic at hand.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


I agree that this wasnt led by the US.

There are 7 Countries contributing to this plan. France is up on the list with over 100 different types of planes in the area. The EU can benefit by the restructuring plan.

It's very interesting that the US Treasury has moved to allow oil deals with the Transitional National Council. Why is it that the US Treasury is involved in that? I suspect the EU but still a bit sketchy.

was not locherbie a false flag event by yu kno hoo?


just sayin...