2011-04-28 WikiLeak: 2005 Canadian Gov Cable Addressing NAU (NAI)

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


For 1. The HST pays for our health care...Im fine paying the 13% that we have been for the past years that tax has been in place. 2. We have flaws, We dont have a very strong Citizen Comunications line (Puting our imput into things) we dont have a very strong voice, we dont point out our own flaws, No one dose...no matter where you live no matter who you are i dont care who you SAY/THINK you are but you think aobut bills dis-proportinal legs and your perfect ones but you have back issues and bill can lift 200 pounds...or Amys Kankles and you dont have them but you have a bum knee...3. Canada dosent have 1 up from America, if anything we have a 1 down due to our lack of voice, But to say that i dont think about the fact that we NEED your help for alot, But at the same time you need us. Im saying that we do have a few things that are better thought of but so do you...Eg. Facebook, Myspace, ATS! americans came up with socialisation, im sure if most canadians could we would isolate ourselves in our country we have our own version of newzeland here! why would i want to leave?

Look at greece and iceland and japan
thats the end of the one world right there economically (and health wise too )
whether the one worlders can handle that truth or not.

Anyone who thinks hitching Canada to the titanic is a good idea
isn't honest morally or intellectually..
ah heck if you think Canada should be part of the US
move to the gulf
free oil there for ya too

don't drink the water, just put it in your tank

reply to post by Solsthime331


So can you list some specific ways in which the "NAI" would directly hurt the Average Canadian? Specific, now, not vague, opinions of hypothetical scenraios. I'm talking what specific aspects of the NAI you find to be threatening to Canadian sovereignty.

reply to post by Danbones


The US ALREADY get s a significant portion of their oil from the US.

What parts of the NAI, as written, do you think would 'make Canada into the US", and how?

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


take a look at the collapsing US economy

if you haven't noticed the specfics of that
perhaps you should get a computer

so you can look

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

take a look at the collapsing US economy

if you haven't noticed the specfics of that
perhaps you should get a computer

so you can look

That doesnt address my question at all. I asked y'ou what specific aspects of the NAI, as written, would negatively effect Canadians and how? Just saying "USA BAD" is not an answer.

If you are implying that you think Canada can extricate themselves from the American economy, then your grasp of global and regional economics is severely lacking.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


Loss of Taxes paying for Health care due to american laws not having that in place, all laws could change and posibly for the better posibly for worse, as the one person said, The US has a colapsing economy atm Canada is going to hold strong for the next AT LEAST 2-3 years, Why wouldnt america soak that up if they got a chance?

Originally posted by Solsthime331
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

Loss of Taxes paying for Health care due to american laws not having that in place, all laws could change and posibly for the better posibly for worse, as the one person said, The US has a colapsing economy atm Canada is going to hold strong for the next AT LEAST 2-3 years, Why wouldnt america soak that up if they got a chance?

So you are under the impression the NAI would open Canadian health care to Americans? Based on what? Have you read anything relating to the NAU? ecause it has NOTHING to do with anything even slightly resembling that scenario. It's not about just opening the borders and letting America bumrush Canada. It has to do with trade and immigration.

I asked you to answer based on your reading of the NAI, and you have shown me your opinions are based on little solid info and a general fear of "Americans"

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


Wow...Do you not know about the now money? that would change everything...And the border would dissapear meaning that i can just stroll into New york whenever, The start of this is the fourming of a new country with two governments...that means they get there noses in eachothers #...laws WILL change its harper ffs.

reply to post by Solsthime331


As I thought, your opinion isnt really based on an educated reading of any of the specifics of the NAI as written, but is instead based on vague notions of an American takeoever of Canada.

NOTHING about the NAI would allow Americans to get access to Canadian health care. NOTHING about the NAI implies one currency (although, considering the two currencies have been essentially on par for nearly three years now, I'd hardly think it would matter much). You should read up on the NAI a bit more. The OP has a good link.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


If you think that Canada is not influenced by the USA, nor run by the USA, look around you. Almost all companies, mortgage lenders, banks, brewing companies, automakers, real estate companies, financial companies, big box stores, products within grocery stores are all USA born and bred.

ps: Today I purchased reduced size of pringles for the same price as I purchased a full size can of pringles about a year and a half ago at wal-mart.

This new style of gross product and marketing schemes are working more brilliant than ever, What they are saying is: Charge consumers the same or more for less...put it in smaller packaging, but not to small so they wont notice, ultimately leading consumers to believe they have a fair deal!

reply to post by misfitofscience


To note: I brought this to the attention of consumer affairs here in Canada back in 2008 When i noticed my can of pringles were smaller at Wal-Mart, I started doing my own surveys....3 years later this aired across teh country!

reply to post by misfitofscience


all i have to say is Thank you ^^

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Canada's integration into the USA is key for it would secure resources necessary for the US to exist strongly in this new century. It will also give them a lot of room to expand their industry and exploit our resources.

If you knew anything about your country's economy.you would know that Canada has a long history of essentially giving away their natural resources (wood, water, fuel) to the US. The US doesn't need a "NAU" to do this. Canada does so freely. Hell, raw wood gets sent to the states to be milled, then shipped BACK to Canada to be old at Home Depot.

Of course, you have been conditioned to feel like everything associated with the US is bad, while everything Canadian is right and good. It's an understandable stance, obviously. Especially when one doesnt really understand global politics and economics.

Geopolitics, human geography, political science, political theory and Canadian politics are my areas of study and my instructors don't seem to think my understanding is lacking.

Your whole post is ignorant to the real situation. You think we just sell off our resources at firesale prices because that's what we want? You think we want to have a weak economy with over 80% foreign ownership? It's this thing called NAFTA that allows American corporations to come here and exploit our resources, and it is also NAFTA that protects US corporations in doing so. You could argue that we have the same rights, but the very fact that we are a fraction of the size of your economy has already resigned us to subordinate status as soon as Mulroney sold us off via the FTA agreement.

Canada is ALREADY assimilated

Come here and tell us that in person.

And why is it that Canadians always assume the "NAU" would assimilate them?

Probably because we aren't retarded.

How can anyone with half a brain claim that forming a union with a superpower will not assimilate you? North America is not Europe and the NAU will not be like the EU. In Europe, there are strong powers in charge (UK, France, Germany, etc) that dictate EU policies to some degree of neutrality. What do you think will happen when Canada and Mexico try for fairness when we are in a union with the USA? You think the US will act as if they are on the same level as us? They obviously don't now.

You dismiss some very informed and relevant posts about the specifics of the NAI by calling them 'brainwashed'.

Oh, but it's alright for you to call me "conditioned" with "little brother" syndrome. I care about my country's sovereignty. I care about social progress. I care about my friends, my family and my people.

After watching what the US claims as progress in Afghanistan and Iraq, what the hell makes you think I want to see that here? Washington already manipulates our politicians. What do you think will happen when the US assumes control over us? You think we will just sit back and take it? We will rebel, just like the Zapatistas in Mexico.

the rebels of the frozen north would have my support! along with alot of other americans who do not agree with what the people in power down here do in are name. how ever one day its just gonna be us versus them as well. and i hope we bolth wind on on the same side!

The reason for the apprehension concerning a possible NAU. Is that Canadians have been watching in horror the slow descent of the American dream into the toilet. Most Americans (not all mind you) really don't follow or inquire much about Canada. It just isn't on their radar. On the other hand Canadians are infatuated with USA we gobble it up in large portions; but not the same as Americans do we watch from outside the box. It is a unique perspective that puts the forest into focus above the trees.

My biggest concern is that the money changers (or vipers as Pres. Jackson put it) seem to be in charge. The only thing protecting Canada is the fact we don't have much of a military, because if we did then the powers that be would try to figure out a plan to put it into action.
It seems that the free country Americas forefathers fought to gain has been insidiously reeled in. Culminating in the handing over of the keys with the federal reserve act of 1913. From that point on the US people have been manipulated by forces behind the scenes. It didn't become evident until the last ten years since 9/11. You can see how the corporate interests now control the machine, whether its AIPAC or the carlyle group or the military industrial complex. It seems like the car is being driven by remote. Which leads me to ask the question who has the remote?

Now back to the point. Canadians see this like a shocking suspense horror flick. We're invested as neighbors but are really not in the position to do anything. Except be conscientious objectors. Our humanitarian peace keeper status is being eroded away. Our minds are under constant attack from the brash media. We have to fear something bad from something we can't see or that religion that doesn't accept Israel is out to get us. Our peace is gone and what ever official story you believe one thing is true; the people have nothing to gain from this, only the corporations and the central banks. Entities with no moral attachment to the people only the focused pursuit of profit for the top 5%
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So in conclusion what troubles me most about the secret proceedings our politicians have engaged in concerning the NAU. Is that we're heading away from our compassionate identity into the murky survival of the fittest law of the corporate jungle. Forever loosing our firewall that keeps us able to say "sorry not for me". If this was a popular peoples movement where the goal was to band together and build a better world for our children then sign me up. So it's not about not liking Americans rather its a mistrust of the bureaucracy in charge.