100% PROOF! Obama "RESOLVES" That He Is Not Eligible To Be President! (Condemning Info!)

Originally posted by CODEPREZ
Obama will be the destructor of our futures. Open you eyes to the old phrophecie of Nostradamus....it states something along the lines of how the twin brothers will fall (9/11..which happened), and how the great leader will come to the third big war (which we are on the virge of) and infultrate from the inside out (being the anti christ)...
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No Nostradamus did not predict this at all. I have the book and there is no quatrain that says that.
It was a hoax.
Check here:
www.allaboutpopularissues.org...

and here

books.google.com.au... snum=1&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=nostradamus%20twin%20brothers&f=false

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by RicoMarston
If one of your parents is a U.S. citizen, then you are a U.S. citizen and eligible for the office of presidency. it's really quite simple.

NO - - neither parent needs to be a US citizen. Only you need to be born on US soil. Obama is a natural born citizen because he was born in Hawaii. It does not matter where his parents were born.

Or has the law changed - - that if one of your parents is a US citizen and you are born in another country - - does that qualify you as a natural born citizen? I don't think so.

I am a bit unclear on US territories and military bases abroad. Because non-citizens are in the US military. If both parents in the military are non-citizens - - but their child is born on a US military base - - does that qualify the child as a natural born US citizen?

edit on 30-4-2011 by Annee because: (no reason given)

i do think that if you married a canadian, and moved there with him/her, but didn't apply for canadian citizenship/possess dual citizenship, then a child born there would have dual citizenship. i could be wrong. i just don't understand why dual citizenship, in this the age of globalization, should prevent an otherwise qualified person from becoming president. their loyalty to their other nation is no more compromising than a president who puts his "good old boy" network and their profits ahead of the good of the nation.

reply to post by civilchallenger

When a definition is not applied, it is expected one makes the best effort to figure out what the law meant as it was written, using tools like the dictionary, historical quotes by the founding fathers, etc. The video presented a very detailed and clear case that the word "natural born" at the time the constitution was written meant both parents were citizens.

The video presented a clear case Dude, the guy doesn't sit on the Supreme Court? He merely added his opinion. He was using a nonbinding resolution to make his case in conjunction with the first Congress.

The only valid issues in this thread are the actual meaning of the term when it was written and voted on,

True, but as you said

Only a judge in the judicial branch has the right to interpret the law.

The guy in the video doesn't sit on the bench.



Look, let's make it simple.

Obama went through the same election process that every other President in the last 50 or more years has done. His fellow opponents recognized him as eligible to run for President, the voters voted him in so they had no problem with his eligibility, the electoral college recognized him as eligible, state politicians who certified results accepted he was eligible, and Congress, who sealed the deal, accepted him. A Supreme Court judge swore him in.

Look at all these powerful people call him Mr. President.

reply to post by Hendrix92TheUniverse


that is very interesting, very good and well presented video

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by RicoMarston
i do think that if you married a canadian, and moved there with him/her, but didn't apply for canadian citizenship/possess dual citizenship, then a child born there would have dual citizenship.

I’m not knowledgeable of Canada’s citizenship law, but a brief look at wikipedia shows they might have a similar birthright citizenship principle.

Assuming it is similar, then you are correct, the person in your scenario would have dual citizenship. That person would have Canadian citizenship by virtue of his or her birth in Canada, and US citizenship by virtue of one of the provisions in 8 USC 1401, namely paragraphs (g) or (h), provided, the parents fulfill the respective conditions therein stipulated.

i just don't understand why dual citizenship, in this the age of globalization, should prevent an otherwise qualified person from becoming president.

It doesn’t. And there’s Supreme Court cases clearly stating that involuntary operation of foreign law doesn’t affect US citizenship. Perkins v. Elg (1939), for example, states—

And the mere fact that the plaintiff may have acquired Swedish citizenship by virtue of the operation of Swedish law, on the resumption of that citizenship by her parents, does not compel the conclusion that she has lost her own citizenship acquired under our law. As at birth she became a citizen of the United States, that citizenship must be deemed to continue unless she has been deprived of it through the operation of a treaty or congressional enactment or by her voluntary action in conformity with applicable legal principles.

The birthers want to believe dual citizenship renders someone ineligible because they think it disqualifies Obama. Otherwise, can you imagine any other instance where people like the birthers would accept foreign law having this kind of influence on US citizens?

He is president of the Corporation known as the U.S. Its all color of law, color of office, etc. It has pretty much nothing to do with the organic constitution of the sovereign country known as the united states of north america republic.
A birth certificate, certificate of live birth longform (Which is used as a port pass, drivers license, etc) is only proof that the so called parents signed a contract to create a legal entity.
So does it matter that he is eligible or not? Do you really think he is your leader or representative of a paper matrix known as the U.S?

Ive been following this for a bit now, this whole situation is insane. As a Canadian citizen i am outraged, i can't imagine how pissed i'd be if i was an American citizen!

Im not an expert Adobe Illustrator and programs like Photoshop or the technicalities surrounding presidency and the constitution and everything, but this guy seems to break it down pretty easily and the videos about Adobe Illustrator showing all the errors with the certificate are convincing me more and more. I can't wait to see what happens next!

Its sad also that the general population are to busy with their daily lives and their attention is to themselves and the "matrix" they think is reality. Why are people so gentle and accepting now?

Is this all part of the so called "elites" plan? I have a hard time believing the government would release this if it is indeed an obvious forgery, or that at least its been edited and manipulated! Its gotta be a step towards their goal...

Anyways, my thoughts, and people making threads and posts need to stop USING CAPITAL LETTERS AND EXCLAMATIONS !!!! TO MAKE EVERYTHING !!! LOOK!! ULTRA!!! IMPORTANT!!! LOL.

Relax, take a deep breath and gather yourself and write the information you have to share lol.

Originally posted by Jeedawg
Ive been following this for a bit now, this whole situation is insane. As a Canadian citizen i am outraged, i can't imagine how pissed i'd be if i was an American citizen!

You are. Articles of Confederation 1781, Article 11.
CANADA registered in WASHINGTON DC.

Originally posted by RicoMarston
I just don't understand why dual citizenship, in this the age of globalization, should prevent an otherwise qualified person from becoming president. their loyalty to their other nation is no more compromising than a president who puts his "good old boy" network and their profits ahead of the good of the nation.

The elimination of the Natural Born law has been proposed at least twice - - that I know of. How serious this proposal was - - I am not really sure.

Once for Kissinger and also for Schwarzenegger.

I do believe a serious One World Government (not the conspiracy NWO) - - is the only natural progression - - and this may affect the Natural Born law.

Originally posted by lawlb0t
So does it matter that he is eligible or not? Do you really think he is your leader or representative of a paper matrix known as the U.S?

It matters because it is still the law.

Feel free to initiate change.

reply to post by jam321


Non-binding only means it cannot become a law, it is still an agreement and a resolution. It would be silly to have a law on the books that John Mccain can become President....think about it.

Obama agreed to this, and not only that there is still Vattel's definition that was covered by the video and adopted by the 1st congress.

BTW, I've been saying this very thing about the Senate Resolution 511 since the day Obama released the alleged long-form birth certificate.

reply to post by Hendrix92TheUniverse


Im NOT an Obama fan... I voted ROn Paul in last election. wrote him in and everything.

BUT, im not a fan of the natural born citizen rule anyway. I think its stupid. I will follow any man who shows the moral qualities and aptitudes I look to in a genuine human being, regardless of where he was born. Obama is not that man, but thats the reason I don't like him, not this citizenship bull.

Our entire country is out of order, even parts of the original constitution. You have to understand that the 4 Fathers, even then, couldn't imagine a world where value was of the heart and not simply what country you were a citizen of. They couldn't see a world without fighting... Well I can.
Its far off in the future, sure, as most ideals are. But once you know your ideals, you can start the changes now.

I'm all for a 1 world govt. Certainly the way were going about getting is wrong, but ultimately, we are all earthlings... not American, not German, not African etc etc... Earthlings.

You guys go on a quibble about this stuff, but I don't judge a man on where he was born.

reply to post by Hendrix92TheUniverse


I have been trying to find out where it says in the constitution that your parents have to be Americans for you to become president and so far nothing.
I see where if you are born abroad like John McCain (Panama) your parents must be American citizens but I do not see where if you were born on American soil and are an American citizen that your parents also have to be citizens for you to become President.

reply to post by karen61057


Because like every other aspect of the birther craze, it is just made up. People believe it because someone claims it to "journalist" Sean Hannity and he fails to contradict or they hear it directly from people like Michael Savage, Doctor of herbal remedies, and they believe it. It sounds good. It fits with what they want to hear right now. So they adopt it as a fact. You will notice that there are birther threads all over ATS that all pretty much end the same way with birthers being asked to back up any of the crazy things they have asserted.

Originally posted by Byteman
Obama agreed to this, and not only that there is still Vattel's definition that was covered by the video and adopted by the 1st congress.

What about Vattel’s definition?

Even assuming the Framers were basing their definition on Vattel’s, since then the law has changed, and the law says anyone born in the United States is a natural born citizen, and that was the law when Obama was born.


It’s comical how some of the birthers on one hand admit the resolution has no legal power, yet on the other hand, want to continue pointing to it as defining the conditions for natural born citizenship.

They’re using it to point out the, alleged, conditions for natural born citizenship, claiming it recognizes McCain was born two citizen parents and on an American military base, which they apparently must think is US soil. This, they say, are the conditions for natural born citizenship.

The problem with this erroneous interpretation of the resolution is obvious: the resolution specifies McCain’s birth as being “on an American military base.” By using the birther logic and interpretation of the resolution this implies that the Senate meant to convey that natural born citizenship requires being born a military base.

Got to give them credit for at least entertaining us.

Originally posted by Hendrix92TheUniverse

Originally posted by jam321
Correct me if I am wrong.

But wasn't senate resolution 511 NONBINDING?

That means Congress never passed a law defining what a natural born American is.

Looks like 100% is headed toward 0% proof.


en.wikipedia.org...

The resolution means nothing, the Constitution states that both parents must be U.S. citizens, and Obama's father was a Kenyan, a british protectorate at the time, there Obama's father was British, and not a U.S. citizen.

Do your damn homework!

Hey dude do your own homework. I just read the portion of the constitution (on line) and it does not say anything about the parents of the president having to be Americans in order for someone to be President. It says Must be a natural born citizen of the United States. PERIOD Born in Hawaii is still born in the US. Time to put this baby to bed. Nice try and all but HE IS STILL THE PRESIDENT. Wanna say Nanny nanny poo poo but that would be childish. Aw heck NANNY NANNY POO POO.

Originally posted by Hendrix92TheUniverse

Originally posted by jude11
I will state emphatically that I am no fan of Obama and believe him to be about as evil as ol' Lucifer but, after the BC issue...that's it! Finished. It then becomes a Witch Hunt to continue.

If the BC is fake...ok

If he was not born in the US...ok.

But now his parents? I find this is a very weak attack that is nothing but a 'Grasping at Straws' exercise.

If the American people want him out, then do it! Call for his resignation En Masse. Demand he step down because of his policies, lies and destruction of the constitution. THESE are fact! These can be proven.

Where will the fake BC get to? Nowhere. Give it up and concentrate on what is possible.

Either demand his resignation or failing that, DON'T vote him in again!

That's how to get rid of him.

IMO

You might be a fool, if you don't read the Constitution. which clearly states that both parents must be U.S. citizens.

The birth certificate issue was just a ruse to get us to believe that Obama was legitimate.

www.constitution.org...

The above line is to the US Constitution on line. The whole damn thing. Please look it over and show me where specifically it says ANYTHING AT ALL about the parents of the President. Please show me anything at all and I promise to vote republican in the next election.

reply to post by Annee


Really? So, by your definition, all of the anchor babies running around will someday be eligible to be president? All you have to do is sneak into America, which is real easy to do these days, pop out a kid, and BAM!! it's a natural born citizen and can someday be president. Wow. I did not know that. Thanks for enlightening me.