100% PROOF! Obama "RESOLVES" That He Is Not Eligible To Be President! (Condemning Info!)

Originally posted by Kutas
When are you people going to give it up? Stop looking for excuses and just get used to having a black president. And while at it admit you are racists and be open about it, you will lead much happier lives that way.

Thank you for being a caring human being concerned with the"relative happiness of our lives. I disagreed with Bush Jr.("stimpy")on the patriot act and the invasion of Iraq under the "wmd" premise Does that make me a "racist" against white presidents?

You and all the other liberals who claim almost daily to live in"our" hearts and KNOW our reasons for disliking obama are arrogant; and wayyy beyond insulting. Stick your "racist" comments. It's pretty clear the birth place is mostly a distraction from the real;proveable issue."His birth parents don't qualify him for serving as president.

Originally posted by Amaterasu

The resolution that defined "natural born" to mean of parents, both of whom are citizens, relative to McCain (again, ironically). He does not qualify, based on the BC We have been given. Period.

Ok, so you are claiming based on your understanding of this video that someone had to satisfy BOTH of those requirements to be President. Right?

Then why was McCain running for President? Because clearly, he did not meet the first requirement. You want me to tell you why? Because the second question only kicks in if you fail to satisfy the first question.

www.washingtonpost.com...

The Constitution does not define the meaning of "natural born Citizen." The U.S.
Supreme Court gives meaning to terms that are not expressly defined in the Constitution by
looking to the context in which those terms are used; to statutes enacted by the First Congress,
Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. 783, 790-91 (1983); and to the common law at the time of the
Founding. United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 655 (1898). These sources all confirm
that the phrase "natural born" includes both birth abroad to parents who were citizens, and birth
within a nation's territory and allegiance. Thus, regardless of the sovereign status of the Panama
Canal Zone at the time of Senator McCain's birth, he is a "natual born" citizen because he was
born to parents who were U.S. citizens.

One more time for the hard headed and the slow children,

These sources all confirm
that the phrase "natural born" includes both birth abroad to parents who were citizens, and birth
within a nation's territory and allegiance. Thus, regardless of the sovereign status of the Panama
Canal Zone at the time of Senator McCain's birth, he is a "natual born" citizen because he was
born to parents who were U.S. citizens.

You see how it says "both" circumstances? As in two ways you can be considered natural born? Two? Ways? Two? Either born on US soil, OR born on foreign soil of two US citizens?

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Is there a point that We stop accepting twisting everything to support someone who does the opposite of campaign promises? Like the whole "transparency" thing is a minor detail?

Just so were are clear, I didnt vote for Obama. I dont approve of his work. I think he is selling us out. And yes, I agree he is not keeping his campaign promises.

But "Is there a point that we stop accepting twisting everything to support a stupid Obama is not a natural born citizen theory when it is just over and done with?"

Originally posted by Hendrix92TheUniverse


You might be a fool, if you don't read the Constitution. which clearly states that both parents must be U.S. citizens.

What? I've read the Constitution, have you?

Where exactly does it say that? (I'll give you a hint: it doesn't.)

The video you posted even mentions that 'natural born citizen' is not defined in the Constitution.

The (nonbinding) McCain resolution was based on him being born off US soil. Obama was born in Hawaii so it's a moot point.

The video is so riddled with inaccuracies and falsehoods that it is cringeworthy. Right from the get go we get a big one — there were no hearings “to establish John McCain’s citizenship status.” I want my 5 minutes back!

As jam321 and others pointed out, SR 511 was a non-binding resolution; it has no legal or legislative weight, it serves only as informative of the Senate’s position on a particular issue.

The resolution is not defining a natural born citizen, it’s merely recognizing McCain’s circumstances, namely that he had two citizen parents and was born on a military base, and that they don’t believe the Framers intended to prevent the children of US servicemen and women from being able to serve as President. Considering this, they recognize McCain fulfills the Constitutional requirement.

But, and contrary to the video’s premise, the resolution couldn’t define what a natural born citizen is even if it was their intention. If Congress wanted to define what natural born citizen means they would have to do it through a Constitutional amendment.

Now regarding McCain’s status. The fact that McCain was born on a US military base plays no part in defining his citizenship or natural born citizenship. “U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities abroad are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not born in the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.” [Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual, at 5]

McCain is a US citizen by virtue of the 8 USC 1403 statute, conferring citizenship to children of US citizens born in the Canal Zone, passed by Congress in 1937.

The question of natural born citizenship status of persons born in the United States is settled law. The Supreme Court settled that question in 1898, when in Wong Kim Ark the Court unambiguously stated that anyone born in the United States, except children of foreign diplomats and enemy soldiers during invasion, was a natural born citizen.

The only uncertainty in US jurisprudence when it comes to natural born citizenship status is of persons born outside the United States, which is McCain’s case.

I have no problem with McCain, or any other US citizen, for that matter, being able to serve as President. I am against the natural born citizen clause and have criticized it frequently. It’s a mess, its language is not even crafted correctly.

The Vattelists only adhere to that absurd interpretation of natural born citizen because they think it disqualifies Obama, but the reality is that if it were the standing interpretation it disqualifies McCain as well, because US military bases are not US soil for 14th Amendment purposes (cf. Department of State FAM above).

Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what birthers think the definition of natural born citizen is, or what Vattel wrote, because what the law says is what matters and, currently, anyone born in the United States, safe for the aforementioned exceptions, is a natural born citizen.

Originally posted by aptness
The video is so riddled with inaccuracies and falsehoods that it is cringeworthy. Right from the get go we get a big one — there were no hearings “to establish John McCain’s citizenship status.” I want my 5 minutes back!

And that is one reason I never listen to videos.

If ya got a transcript - - I'll read it.

Printed words don't try to sell you a story.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Thank you.

I knew of the quagmire of McCain's citizenship - - - hadn't heard about the hearing.

S&F to the OP

we really have a dysfunctional government
on all levels. Truly by design of TPTB.

Somebody please hit the reset button
and end this nightmare.

Oh and btw, while ur at it can we take
up a collection and use the funds to send
Obama back home to Kenya?

I like how 1) people say his father was kenyan, so hes not american. My grandmas canadian, AND a US. citizen.
2) they say the bc is false without giving proof of it, which none of that i have seen has convinced me and many others that it is.
3) anyone who goes against this OP's "100% true" statement is shot down and yelled at.

Originally posted by boondock-saint
Oh and btw, while ur at it can we take
up a collection and use the funds to send
Obama back home to Kenya?

Hmmmmmmm?????? Changed your mind again? Which way is the wind blowing?

As author of Is Obama a genetically engineered Alien/Human Hybrid ??? I thought you rigorously defended a more other worldly origin?

Either I'm mistaken that the two above statements contradict each other or somebody's got truthiness issues.

Busted dude.

Originally posted by chancemusky
2) they say the bc is false without giving proof of it, which none of that i have seen has convinced me and many others that it is.

Here, try something new and different. Something easy to see. Plain as day.

Something used to send many folks to prison for 3/4 of a century.

www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=11207724#pid11207724

well in my mind..........

AF-LAC! which means only 50% president material

These threads are really getting ridiculous That video is proof of nothing. The OP was challenged to show where in the constitution it states (as he claims) that to be a natural born citizen both parents must be US citizens. The OP wasn't able to show this information. His only evidence is a non-binding resolution that is meaningless to Obama's situation. I think that's what you call grasping at straws.

reply to post by boondock-saint


Once again, yet again.....another example, of member NOT reading the thread, only the OP that he/she agreed with....and a knee-jerk "S&F" was awarded.....

The OP is WRONG! The OP keeps repeating (if you had read it) that a POTUS must have two U.S. Citizen birth parents...because, OP said (multiple times, incorrectly): "It's in the Constitution".


Over and over, of late......ATS threads follow similar patterns. A wild, incredibly (and, as easily proved) wrong opening post, and title, is drafted and posted. Yet, a few late-comers inevitably mosey along hours (or days) later, and fall in love with the same already discredited DISinformation....makes ATS look bad, I would think , to outside readers....(?)

To me this all really doesn't matter where he was born.

I have just been wondering where was he before he became a Senator as I had never heard of him before that? Could it be possible that being a community organizer he was across the pond talking with a lot of different people in say the middle east.

That would then mean he wasn't a resident for at least 14 years as stated in the Constitution.

LOL....I'm sorry I couldn't help myself with that just trying to stir up another rats nest.

I really am tired of hearing it all, why can't all this stop. The reason the world is falling apart is because the world can't live in peace. If we could just live in peace then we wouldn't need all these country boundaries although you should keep your heritage. I just don't want to see the completion of what the UN is doing by instituting OWO as it will only be a dictatorial thing and won't be peace for too long.

reply to post by Shadowalker


Those letters do not look any higher or lower than the other letters. Besides, there is obviously going to be small changes with any printer or typewriter.

What was the reason for using the term "natural born citizen" verses "native born citizen'

Obviously we would never want to have someone in such a position of power that has ties to another country in which they could hold allegiance for at any point in time whether it's in the past, present or future. If someone has to question a person who is attempting to hold the most important position in the Unites States, why would we even consider them to run?

Who was Obama's legal guardian at the time of birth? His mother was not even a legal adult at the age of seventeen. His father (a British citizen) was only in the U.S. for an education and returned to Kenya and became a Kenyan senior governmental economist.

British and Colonial Law :

In 1709, a statute declared that children born abroad of a natural-born' father and alien
mother were natural-born subjects at the time of their birth.

Meaning Barack Obama II had dual citizenship at the time of his birth.

What else is there to debate about? Again, if we even have to question him then it should be the end of the discussion.

Remember that the position of President and Vice President are the only ones in our government that require a person be a natural born citizen per the constitution. The term "natural born" was added to the final draft for a reason...

reply to post by Hendrix92TheUniverse


WHO EVEN CARES!!!??? Id rather BHO be the prez than mccain,mccains a jackass who wouldve been impeached,count your losses and get over it,it could be worse...

reply to post by aptness


Thank you for summing up all the reasons why the video was wrong and bringing some sanity back to this thread. Unfortunately it will likely fall on deaf ears. Birthers are inherently irrational because they are emotionally invested in the idea that Obama was not born here thus most of them are entirely closed off to evidence. Many of them are also hardcore paranoid conspiracy theorists meaning that as soon as the government presents evidence of any kind they assume it is fake from the get-go. You could have video footage of Obama being born in Hawaii, hell you could stick some of them in a time machine and show him being born there, and some would stick their fingers in their ears and reject it. The amazing thing is how horribly xenophobic the whole Birther thing is, it makes the USA look crazy.

You have to understand what the words meant, at the time that the Constitution was written.



www.birthers.org...


Vattel’s Influence on the term

a Natural Born Citizen



What is a natural born citizen? Where did the framers come up with this term? Where was it used before? So many questions, and the answers are right there if anyone wishes to search out the truth.



The term Natural born Citizen appears in our Constitution, in Article 1, Section 2, with these words, “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”



Before the Constitution the closest reference we have to Natural Born Citizen is from the legal treatise “the Law of Nations,” written by Emerich de Vattel in 1758. In book one chapter 19,



§ 212. Of the citizens and natives.



“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

wow..reading all the posts on this thread..most didnt even read the posts and are just responding to the OPs opening with emotional content and agruments that mean nothing to this RESOLUTION...

when i first watched the video, i was thinking that this was the holy grail so-to-speak..but then i spent a few minutes doing some SIMPLE google searches and found out the FACTS..... unfortunatly, this is pretty much a cut and dried issue...

FACT NUMBER ONE...unfortunatly s.res 511 is NON-BINDING which means it does not have the force of law.. RESOLUTIONS differ from BILLS in that they are NON-BINDING, that is, they do not go to the House to vote on or the President to sign, and therefore they do not have the force of law.....

FACT NUMBER TWO...this RESOLUTION was for j. mcains situation SPECIFICALY

FACT NUMBER THREE....the writers agreed what a 'natraul born citizen' meant, which is 1) BOTH parents must be citizens of the u.s. AND 2) one must be born on u.s. soil.

FACT NUMBER FOUR...the u.s. governmant considers U.S. MILITARY BASES U.S. SOIL..

FACT NUMBER FIVE...obama was one of the writters and AGREED to what the term 'natural born citizen' means

obamas hypocricy knows no bounds....