Obama's NEW Birth Certificate proven to be fake hours after release

Originally posted by kinda kurious

Originally posted by Elbereth

Congratulations. You guys win, as far as I'm concerned. Gloat away.

For some reason, I don't believe that statement. Could you post a link to a digitally encrypted certified pdf of that statement notarized with a copy of your scout badge and your hand on a fictionalized account of a book extolling the virtues the life and times of our lord and saviour Mickey Mouse?

And don't try any of that Photoshop trickery and image manipulation you are famous for.

Gosh my arm is sore.

I need to work on a new voodoo doll.

I thought I had been sufficiently acquainted by life with my own impressive capacity for error. Apparently not.
I have been guilty of unrepentant fonzanoonary.

Osama is Obama. Ever see them in a photo together? So Obama kills himself (Osama) to make his life easier than running around in circles, being that he was smuggled into the Country (USA) along with other crooks and criminals and terrorists.
Just where was Obama on 9-11?
Is there any proof he is entitled to a Connecticut SS# ?
His father was with the CIA. He was murdered, after some group amputated his legs first
His mother was with the CIA. She died young after playing footsies in threesomes.
Neither one has a birth certificate, baptismal certificate, driver's license, accounting diploma, although there was some money laundering going on.
Obama's paternal grandmother saw him being born in Kenya.
Obama's maternal grandmother died two days after he, alone, went to see her before election 2008.
Obama's mentor, Frank, was a paedophile and pornographer and had nude pictures of Obamas's mother, as a young girl. (They are online.)

Oh Let's get Ann Rice to write a book!

Originally posted by canadiansenior70
Osama is Obama. Ever see them in a photo together? So Obama kills himself (Osama) to make his life easier than running around in circles, being that he was smuggled into the Country (USA) along with other crooks and criminals and terrorists.
Just where was Obama on 9-11?
Is there any proof he is entitled to a Connecticut SS# ?
His father was with the CIA. He was murdered, after some group amputated his legs first
His mother was with the CIA. She died young after playing footsies in threesomes.
Neither one has a birth certificate, baptismal certificate, driver's license, accounting diploma, although there was some money laundering going on.
Obama's paternal grandmother saw him being born in Kenya.
Obama's maternal grandmother died two days after he, alone, went to see her before election 2008.
Obama's mentor, Frank, was a paedophile and pornographer and had nude pictures of Obamas's mother, as a young girl. (They are online.)

Oh Let's get Ann Rice to write a book!

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I thought they had laws to prevent cousins from marrying. Apparently not.

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I went to look up fonzanoonary

reply to post by Arbitrageur


Actually common sense would dictate to release BOTH to stunt any argument or confusion on the issue.
One - a straight copy scan and Two - the fixed up version just for comparisons.

I don't think it's too much to ask for an ISSUE that has been going on for this long.
It seems they want to keep the arguments and confusion going for as long as possible by deliberately obscuring and hampering with what should be such a straight forward thing.

Originally posted by Flighty
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

Actually common sense would dictate to release BOTH to stunt any argument or confusion on the issue.
One - a straight copy scan and Two - the fixed up version just for comparisons.

I almost agree completely. I actually thought common sense would have been to release the unedited document if they only planned to release one. But if they choose to edit it, which they have done, then I agree that releasing the unedited as well as the edited documents would make sense at this point.

I read the correspondence from Obama and his attorney to the Hawaii DOH requesting two certified copies of his long form. And the DOH replied that two certified long forms were enclosed. Am I correct in assuming this means paper copies?

So I'm still unclear who did the editing found in the pdf, does anyone know? Was it done at the Hawaii DOH, in which case they would have also (apparently?) e-mailed the pdf to Obama, in addition to sending him paper copies? Or did the DOH just send the paper copies to the white house, and all the editing and creation of the pdf was done by the white house? If anyone can clear that up for me I'd appreciate it.

It seems they want to keep the arguments and confusion going for as long as possible by deliberately obscuring and hampering with what should be such a straight forward thing.

Regarding your comment on their intentions of not flattening the document so people could question the edits, I can only speculate. Was it just intentionally sloppy editing that they forgot to flatten the file because they wanted people to have something to argue about as you suggest? If the person who did the editing came forward and explained what they did and why that might clear this thing up. Releasing the unedited scan along with that explanation might help.

Aptness posted a poll showing this release cut the number of questioners in half. If they had released it without the edits it probably would have cut it even further. I don't know how they can botch up something that should be so simple, so I'm reluctant to dismiss your notion even though I don't really want to believe it.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
So I'm still unclear who did the editing found in the pdf, does anyone know? Was it done at the Hawaii DOH, in which case they would have also (apparently?) e-mailed the pdf to Obama, in addition to sending him paper copies? Or did the DOH just send the paper copies to the white house, and all the editing and creation of the pdf was done by the white house? If anyone can clear that up for me I'd appreciate it.

The Department of Health made physical copies, probably photocopies, certified them and gave them to Judith Corley, the President’s personal counsel, authorized by the President to pick up the copies.

Hawaii Health Department Grants President Obama's Request for Certified Copies of 'Long Form' Birth Certificate, at 1.

President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the Hawai„i State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment

It was someone at the White House that, before posting a scanned image of those copies, added the security paper background, most likely to make it more difficult for alterations to be made by the public.

My understanding is that the WH press corps were given physical copies of the copies the DOH made for the President. This is why they had and displayed the black and white images of the birth certificate.

Aptness posted a poll showing this release cut the number of questioners in half. If they had released it without the edits it probably would have cut it even further. I don't know how they can botch up something that should be so simple, so I'm reluctant to dismiss your notion even though I don't really want to believe it.

The problem with that is that the birthers cling to every single detail because they simply don’t want to let this issue go, regardless of how much the evidence contradicts and debunks their theories.

If the White House had done exactly what you wanted them to, maybe you’d be convinced, but someone else would be here putting forward another theory. The numbers of birthers might have have been smaller, yes, but they will never be zero.

There will always be some very vocal crazies, either motivated by paranoia, racism or both, that will keep on putting forward increasingly nonsensical and illogical theories based on massive conspiracies, like Orly Taitz.

Originally posted by aptness
It was someone at the White House that, before posting a scanned image of those copies, added the security paper background, most likely to make it more difficult for alterations to be made by the public.

My understanding is that the WH press corps were given physical copies of the copies the DOH made for the President. This is why they had and displayed the black and white images of the birth certificate.

Thanks.

Any sources for where or how you got this understanding? Especially the latter?

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Any sources for where or how you got this understanding? Especially the latter?

Nope. Just my deductive reasoning.

The first one is a given. We have the DOH Director letter saying the President’s counsel picked up the copies in person, and news reports say it were photocopies.

Hawaii’s registrar certified the new photocopy of the document provided to the White House on April 25, 2011. [source] ...

Hawaii's health director, Loretta Fuddy, responded with a letter of own dated April 25, approving the waiver request. Corley traveled to Hawaii to pick up the documents and carried them back to Washington on a plane. The documents arrived at the White House around 5 p.m. Tuesday.

Hawaii's registrar certified the new photocopy of the document provided to the White House on April 25, 2011. [source]

The second is entirely my deductive reasoning.

Image

Above: A copy of President Barack Obama's long form birth certificate sits on a reporter's lap while he works on his Blackberry in the Briefing Room of the White House April 27, 2011 in Washington, DC. [Brendan Smialowski / Getty Images] [source]

Maybe the WH press corps were given a scanned image of the copies, before the security paper background, and printed them out themselves. Both possibilities are plausible.

Regardless, I’m sure, given the prolific investigative skills of the birthers, they’ll get to the bottom of this incredibly important detail and you’ll have your answer.

Originally posted by aptness

Hawaii's registrar certified the new photocopy of the document provided to the White House on April 25, 2011. [source]

Thanks for the links. Well if that is the unedited document, I'm not sure why it was edited for legibility as some people are claiming.

It looks pretty legible to me. In fact the "R" in Barack looks better to me on that black and white document, than on the one released by the white house with the green background.

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I love it when people with NO PROGRAMMING BACKGROUND AT ALL try and commnt on how
the Adobe PDF file format works. Depending upon the original software used to create the PDF file
there is a technique called STRIPING and Bit-Planes which separate out portions of a scanned bitmap
image or a vector-based original so that they can easily be compressed using various algorithms
such as Wavelet (JPEG2000) or standard JPEG DCT (Discrete Cosine Transform) .

When the PDF file is loaded, the individual RGB bit-planes and/or image object areas are SEPARATE
bitmap images usually block-based in segments of 16x16 or 256x256 pixels but are ALLOWED
to be irregular images of nearly any size with Alpha channel masks for on-the-fly recompositing.

All this is for the expressed purposes of better compression of RGB or Greyscale bitmaps.
What you are all seeing is the EFFECTS of Adobe Illustrator keeping the separate image objects
in editable form...it has NOTHING TO DO with someone assembling the Birth Certificate from
disparate pieces...this is a PROGRAMMING ARTIFACT used to improve image compression.

I happen to have and USE the 1100 page PDF file format technical reference manual which
tells me EXACTLY how this all works when creating my own PDF file creater/reader software.

So sorry to burst your bubble...but you people REALLY NEED to understand
how software ACTUALLY WORKS at the lowest levels before you spout off theories
on "Fake" birth certificates.

I still think the whole B/C thing is a waste of time...anyone with a oz of sense recognizes that the thing is an entity crated from scratch for the sole purpose of giving Amerika a minority President...his entire life from puberty on is scripted for that one goal....and he is too covered for anyone to do anything about it now....its was a done deal when his 2nd "book" was published to uch fanfare and raves....get over yourselves and quit wasting time on this...he isnt going to be allowed to be dropped until 6 more years have one....

reply to post by StargateSG7
None of what you said explains why "BARACK" would be broken into one piece with an "R" and another piece with "BA ACK". Unless you can explain that, I don't find your assessment particularly credible.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
reply to post by StargateSG7

 

None of what you said explains why "BARACK" would be broken into one piece with an "R" and another piece with "BA ACK". Unless you can explain that, I don't find your assessment particularly credible.

Actually that type of artifact tells me the imaging engine used to create the original
PDF file probably the same one used in Coreldraw or MS-WORD which I think is a 3rd party app.
it has to do with a technique called segmentation, which again, is a compression artifact.
The individual letterforms are broken apart usually at the 16x16, 32 x 32, 64x64, 128x128 or 256x256 pixel
boundaries and seperated out as indivudal bitmaps...its a PDF creation thing NOT an edited image issue.

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I thought because when the Obama BC is opened in Acrobat and you go to File > Properties > Description > Advanced you see "PDF Producer: MAC OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDF Context" that we know already that the PDF was generated on a MAC using the Quartz compositor/image engine.

Please explain what this whole "PDF Producer: MAC OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDF Context" entry is all about.

Originally posted by MasterAndrew
He is not American, his name tells me that. I don't need a birth certificate. But it would be good to see him explain this one.

This is partly what fundamentally remains to be apart of the problem, failure to accept someone based solely and exclusively upon their name.

Your segment is who they salivate over so that they could sucker you into some nonsense all to distract you long enough to do what they want and screw the rest of us.

Also, to not want to hear anything about a candidate automatically disqualifies you from complaining when things do not go your way and The Founding Fathers would be ashamed. That is very UnAmerican!

I didn't know that one of the prerequisites to be POTUS is you must have a name like Jimmy Bob Johnson or Micheal Armstrong and those with names like Abdullah Fallujah or Ahkmed bin Tallil are somehow automatically evil.

For the sake of the ATS T&C I will not say what I really think because I'm unsure how you'd respond.

Originally posted by Elbereth
reply to post by StargateSG7

 

I thought because when the Obama BC is opened in Acrobat and you go to File > Properties > Description > Advanced you see "PDF Producer: MAC OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDF Context" that we know already that the PDF was generated on a MAC using the Quartz compositor/image engine.

Please explain what this whole "PDF Producer: MAC OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDF Context" entry is all about.

edit on 7-5-2011 by Elbereth because: clarity

Sorry ... didn't see the PDF Quartz thing....Quartz is the INTERNAL DRAWING ENGINE of Mac-OS/Quicktime imaging system. It is used by almost every program on Mac-OS to render and translate bitmaps and vector-based files and fonts. Windows has the equivalent called GDI+ which is the OS drawing engine
used to render bitmaps/images/fonts for Windows NT-based OS's

Again, all I see is the Segmentation cause by the exhaustive searching used in DCT and JPEG2000
to create image macro-blocks that contain similar pixels in terms of luminance (Brghtness) and
Chroma (hue/colour) The usual DCT-based macroblocks are 16x16 pixels and 32 by 32 pixels.
Ergo, letterforms can occur on macroblock boundaries and the PDF export function would likely
STRIPE that letterform into a separate object to preserve compressibility.

And many image editing programs are SUPPOSED to re-assemble the image blocks into a whole image.
Corel Draw and Adobe Illustrator are NOTORIOUS for leaving the image blocks as is and editable which is
what you're seeing...editable STRIPED image blocks kept separate for compression purposes.

....i should add though...in programs such as AI and Coreldraw, image blocks CAN be preserved when re-exported which COULD INDICATE PREVIOUS editing if the original components were originally separate elements. I still think its image striping/macrobcoking you're seeing!

he is aMerican, i think you guys are just against him and his policy

america

I always suspected that Obama was just a rabbit in a costume.