Stephen Harper seeks majority to dissolve Canada in favor of North American Union

reply to post by Invariance


Out of all of your 'quotes' you still haven't shown how this would be passed legally.

You have assumptions based on snippets of information.

Absolutely nothing else.

Come back when you have REAL evidence.

And don't give me BS about integrated defence/security on government websites. Canada and the USA have been working on integrated continental defence and security since the 1950's, and that is PUBLICALLY.

reply to post by peck420

I have to hand it to skeptics like you. The evidence in front of you face and yet you see nothing. And I have to find it interesting that this signed declaration is POSTED ON HARPER'S WEBSITE for Pete's SAKE! as well as the Whitehouse website.

Passed legally or illegally, the declaration has been signed. How can it be any clearer for you?

World News Daily

By signing the declaration, the Obama administration has implemented without congressional approval a key initiative President Bush began under the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, moving the United States and Canada beyond the North American Free Trade Agreement, commonly known as NAFTA, toward a developing North American Union regional government. ... Harper followed Obama's lead in signing the declaration as a form of executive order, deciding to bypass the Canadian parliament, much as Obama had decided against taking a proposed bilateral "Beyond the Border" declaration to Congress for prior review and approval.

And for those who ride the short bus to school, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's official website: the document is titled

Beyond the Border:

A declaration by the Prime Minister of Canada and the President of the United States of America

The Canadian

Unfortunately, current Prime Minister Steven Harper recently scribbled away even more of Canada’s freedom to trade multilaterally in light of supposed “Security and Prosperity.” He was backed by Quebec’s own Gilles Duceppe.

Amazon . com is selling a book entitled

Traitors Among Us: The Betrayers of Canada

features a compilation of articles from The Canadian National Newspaper. These articles both expose and also challenge an apparent assumption by many of Canada's corporate and political elites. This apparent assumption, championed by large mass-media conglomerates in Canada like CanWest Global, is that the only "rational" course for Canadian society, is to assimilate itself into the U.S. political-military-industrial complex through the "North American Union" (NAU) agenda.

Presscore . ca

Stephen Harper seeks majority to dissolve Canada in favor of North American Union

The secretive agreement was signed by U.S. President Barack Obama and Canadian minority Prime Minister Stephen Harper in Washington on Friday February 4, 2011 that aimed to remove Canada’s sovereignty.

Border assesment .pdf www.dhs.gov... official document

Homeland Security Website:

articulated by President Barack Obama and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper in February. Their historic declaration – "Beyond the Border: A Shared Vision for Perimeter Security and Economic Competitiveness" – sets forth how the United States and Canada will manage our shared homeland and economic security.

The Vancouver Sun

Critics have accused the Conservative government of negotiating the deal under a shroud of secrecy and contend that Harper is poised to give up too much at the bargaining table.

Pacific Free Press

The agreeement signed in Washington on Friday February 4

I refuse to beat a dead horse any longer, do your own homework and come back when you have a good reason for repeating the same question over and over again, because I've had enough giving you the same answer over and over!

Write your MP and ask him/her how Harper can do this. I'm just a lowly sheeple reading about all this awesome stuff our elected officials do for us.

Originally posted by Invariance
Passed legally or illegally, the declaration has been signed. How can it be any clearer for you?

And how much clearer do I need to be?

Signed illegally means it is worth less than used toilet paper.

As it stands right now (even if it is signed in bold stating that Canada belongs to the US) it means jack squat, as the only persons capable of signing it legally were not present.

There is a massive difference between a legally binding contract and a non legally binding contract. A non legally binding contract (such as this) means that not a single party involved in said contract has to follow it. Not you, not me, not our military...nobody.

This means that you and me get to DICTATE wether we follow it our not. I for one will not. Problem solved, the government can't do much with us if we disregard this in its entirety. What are they going to do? Prosocute us with a non legally binding contract? Send in the police?

We, the people, have the power. Don't forget it.

Bottom line here is that by handing the Conservatives a majority Gummit, Canadians will finally have a stable economy, a responsible Gummit that will cut the fat and spend where it is REQUIRED...Yes Military spending in the country is required whether you like it or not, we need the new equipment...

By financially helping middle class families with tax cuts and income tax breaks the conservatives are giving back to middle class and small business by increasing buying power and in turn paying it's fair share of HST witch part of is going back to the Gummit.....

By helping the population with buying power you help the economy.
By taxing the sh!t out of the population, you tend to discourage spending and investing.

Simply politics.

What ever you decide on May 2nd...IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU TAKE YOU BUTT OFF THE COUCH AND VOTE !!!!

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by PsychNurse
Do you people realize that Harper is the first priminister in the last quarter cetury to make an attempt to support our military not to mention their much need funding increase.

Well, he tries to pi$$ it way on aircraft that we won't need and won't tell us what they'll cost. But our First Nations live in squallor and there's still lots of dough for Steve's toys. He keeps us in a war that nobody wants (that the Libs got us into post 911 as a sop for declining to dance in Iraq), and when the vets get home, they are on their own...and if an ombudsman reports on it, he gets dumped.

Are you sure our men and women in the military want all this help? I sure don't?

I can personally say that there is much more funding put into helping the troops when they come home. I have worked with many and although it is not enough by any stretch of the imagination. There are federal, provincial, municipal and private resources being provided for the troops. They are not on their own. I do agree with you that the recent purchase and contract negotiations for the jet fighters are serioiusly neglectful of the Canadian government. Not only do First Nations live in squallor but so do the elderly, throughout the country. There's more than one problem in our country. But I guess we'll see what we see after the election, eh? If you feel that strongly about the matter... don't forget to vote. As far as the men and women of the military and the help.. I suppose you'd rather a reoccurance of HMCS PROTECTEUR an operational support ship originally commisioned on 30th of August 1969 that had to be borrowed back from the Halifax museum back in 1990 for the Gulf War. After the war, PROTECTEUR remains in active service. How much longer do they need to stretch the use of their equipment. At least the subs they bought were used. (Big depreciation driving one of those off the lot new! He He!)

Those used subs we bought...Yeah...They cost more in maintenance fees and contracts than new subs could of cost!

When you "cannibalize" ships and subs to take on the enemy during a war...There is a definite problem with military funding.

As for the new Jets, Did you know that the contract went out to tender as a joint effort between the countries involved....no Canada did not tender out on it's own but did so with other parties. Now let's entertain the fact that we would go out on our own for a new jet fighter. It would have to be compatible to the joint strike fighter because of the parameters in place such as refueling, common electronic platform and software and it would most of all be required to be recognizable by any and all joint forces pilots so they could fly it. In essence we would be asking for a copy of the F-35 at a cheaper price....A Chinese knock off in sorts.

We need these planes regardless if you acknowledge it or not. Keeping our western boarder save and sovereign is a must and the aging F-18 is starting to run out of breath catching up with the Russian planes testing our response time from Baggotville and Chillo. It 20 some years of neglect is catching up to us and I for one do not want to be caught with my pants around my ankles when the big bad enemy comes knocking on my door, I at the very least want something to hold him at the door's threshold until my U.S. brothers come along for a little help.

reply to post by silo13


I do not believe that its a secret that the plans for the North American Union we hatched several years ago. I saw the maps and plans in the mid ninties. Occasionally there is an article about it in the news. As most of their plans it has moved slowly and at times changes made. I am not entirely sure what the main purpose of ten world regions or exactly how they came up with the number 10. Someone else with that knowledge may want to enlighten. I do know the the North American Union is region one. Thats nice of them.

1/3rd of America will be DEAD by 2020.

Either we create a North American Union or the United State's is about to become nobody in the world.

China is the SuperPower right now. If we dont combine with Canada and Mexico eventually China will figure out we only have 5 guys running our aircraft carriers around pretending to be a fully manned ship.

I was totally against the North American Union until I found out the REAL reason they are trying to do it. When the Baby Boomers are dead in 2020 we won't have much of a population.

Harper is gonna hitch a decent wagon to the TiTanic
Oh joy

Originally posted by PsychNurse
I can personally say that there is much more funding put into helping the troops when they come home. I have worked with many and although it is not enough by any stretch of the imagination. There are federal, provincial, municipal and private resources being provided for the troops. They are not on their own.

They are not on their own? Then why did Steve can their noisy ombudsman?

Embattled ombudsman Pat Stogran makes his last stand for Canada's veterans "Deputy ministers make more on average in one year than a person who loses two legs in Afghanistan can expect to be paid out for the rest of their life," Stogran said. "Figure that one out." www.vancouversun.com...

START at 4:00...

He's right. Canada is the economic envy of the world; for that alone I give my vote, once again, to our current PM and economist Mr. Harper.

reply to post by CanadianDream420


I honestly don't get why Harper would even want a NAU, it is not like he would be a contender to be a leader of such a group. It will be an American leader each and every time.

Did you ever notice that it's "The Harper Government", as referred, not "The Conservatives" ?

My final statement on the matter is a quote from an article in The Barrie Examiner

The Harper government is like a brick wall and a train put together, which is headed on a path to destruction; no matter how much you try to work with it, there is no compromise.

It is his bullying ways and no other.

His government makes a mockery of democracy and will ruin the very foundations of our democracy.

So yes, there will be countless elections if Harper gets a minority government, because our Canadian democracy (people) will always stand up for our rights.

God help us, if he gets a majority. Our county will be changed forever into a very scary future for our children and us.

People will truly come to appreciate the words 'freedom' and 'human rights'.

WoW, from a mainstream media source.

Originally posted by CanadianDream420
Canada is the economic envy of the world; for that alone I give my vote, once again, to our current PM and economist Mr. Harper.

The reason we are the economic envy is not due to Steve. You might consider the following, though it comes directly from the Liberals, facts is facts.:

Stephen Harper is trying to get credit for the healthy state of our financial institutions, once again re-writing history to fit his public-relation efforts. In opposition, Stephen Harper wanted Canada’s banks to have looser, US-style regulations, lambasting Jean Chrétien for “the failure to adapt bank regulation to the needs and challenges of a financial sector that is less and less national, and more and more global”—the same banking regulations that protected Canadian families and businesses during the recession. After inheriting the $13 billion Liberal surplus, the Harper government spent Canada into deficit before the recession even began, and has saddled Canadians with a record $54 billion deficit since then.www.liberal.ca...

The Government of Steve offends me.

Originally posted by Invariance
Did you ever notice that it's "The Harper Government", as referred, not "The Conservatives" ?

My final statement on the matter is a quote from an article in The Barrie Examiner

The Harper government is like a brick wall and a train put together, which is headed on a path to destruction; no matter how much you try to work with it, there is no compromise.

It is his bullying ways and no other.

His government makes a mockery of democracy and will ruin the very foundations of our democracy.

So yes, there will be countless elections if Harper gets a minority government, because our Canadian democracy (people) will always stand up for our rights.

God help us, if he gets a majority. Our county will be changed forever into a very scary future for our children and us.

People will truly come to appreciate the words 'freedom' and 'human rights'.

WoW, from a mainstream media source.

So.. lmao.

It's NOT the U.S government.. It's the Obama Administration.

Same thing.

Our PM has nothing to do with Canada's economy. We are a resource based country with our own banking system, and thankfully minority governments.

Because majority ones do a lot of harm.

If we built a wall around us, and closed trade with the US and reorgranized more collectivity and small businesses, we'd never miss it.

reply to post by Unity_99

We are a resource based country

And facts are the USA wants those resources come hell or high water.

The NAU has been in the making for a long time. Do I believe we'll see it in our lifetime? Yes.

peace

Thanks, silo13, for this info. It's not just Canada that will lose sovereignty, but the US as well. The NAU will take precedence in all important matters. And the Union will also eventually include Mexico, to the utter disaster of both the US & Canada.

That Mexico is included is made clear in the Ottawa Embassy msg leaked by Wikileaks and can be read on the following ATS thread (completely apropos to this thread):

2011-04-28 Wikileak: 2005 Canadian Gov Cable Addressing NAU (NAI)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Fox Molder
Bottom line here is that by handing the Conservatives a majority Gummit, Canadians will finally have a stable economy, a responsible Gummit that will cut the fat and spend where it is REQUIRED.

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But, yup...get out and vote!

So can I now say "I TOLD YOU SO HA HA HA HA!" Conservative government. Watch the show!