Inside info on comet Elenin (yes, you're being lied to)

Originally posted by nataylor

Originally posted by CAELENIUM. I looked at it personally and I failed to see any comet tail. Without a comet tail there is therefore no coma. Traditional comets because of their coma and tail are always fuzzy in the binoculars or telescope. ELENIN looks very sharp and clearly defined. No fuzziness about it.

Elenin is too dim to see in binoculars now. And as I pointed out above, if you're looking in Gemini, you're not looking at Elenin. Based on your description of a object brighter than Saturn, due west just after sunset, I'd guess you are looking at the star Procyon, Betelgeuse, or Capella. All of those are brighter than Saturn currently appears. Capella is the brightest of those.

So in your opinion "Elenin is too dim to be seen in binoculars now". Young man I think that you're too much in your head [schizophrenia] and simply need to step outside to get some oxygen into your blood and to look at it personally. You will realise your error just as soon as you take the time to do some practical astronomy. Too much theory is unhealthy. I know my stars and I tell you that an object of 80,000 kilometres diameter, coma or not coma, situated in the asteroid belt, is going to be not only visible in binoculars, but is going to be a very bright object in the naked eye. Imagine what Uranus or Neptune would look like if they were in the Asteroid Belt. Besides Elenin is moving quickly and is nearer to the Sun already moving into the orbital altitude of Mars. Get outside and see it for yourself. It is clearly the brightest object in the sky due west at sunset. Compare it to Saturn which is due south at sunset. Also see how much brighter it is compared to the bright stars near to it like as Betelguese and Procyon, Castor and Pollux, Capella and Menkalinan. Get outside and see it for yourself. Why rely on me or anyone for the information. Do not delay in making these observations because as Elenin moves nearer and nearer to the Sun it will become less and less easy to see after sunset. Already it is quickly lost in the haze that affects observations near to the horizon. Obviously eventually it will pass across the face of the Sun on 27 September 2011. Such that from now onwards it is going to be more and more lost in the daylight sky.

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Originally posted by CAELENIUM
So in your opinion "Elenin is too dim to be seen in binoculars now". Young man I think that you're too much in your head [schizophrenia] and simply need to step outside to get some oxygen into your blood and to look at it personally. You will realise your error just as soon as you take the time to do some practical astronomy. Too much theory is unhealthy. I know my stars and I tell you that an object of 80,000 kilometres diameter [coma or not coma], situated in the asteroid belt is going to be not only visible in binoculars, but is going to be a very bright object in the naked eye.

And I can assure that if you're seeing something, it's not Elenin. According to the data in the JPL Small Body Database, the absolute magnitude of the whole comet is 10.8. The calculated apparent magnitude at it's current distance of 1.827 AU comes out to around magnitude 16. The human eye can't see anything better than magnitude 6.5.

Originally posted by CAELENIUM
Get outside and see it for yourself. It is clearly the brightest object in the sky due west at sunset. Compare it to Saturn which is due south at sunset. Also see how much brighter it is compared to the bright stars near to it like as Betelguese and Procyon, Castor and Pollux, Capella and Menkalinan. Get outside and see it for yourself.

I have looked. There is no such object. Nor are any other amateur or professional astronomers reporting such an object.

I suggest consulting some star charts and looking at the ephemeris for Elenin yourself, so you can figure out what you're looking at.

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My simple reply to you is that "there are none more blind than those who do not look".

Originally posted by CAELENIUM
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My simple reply to you is that "there are none more blind than those who do not look".

You claim there's an object brighter than anything else in the night sky, and you're the only one seeing it. Those who do look, such as myself and many other amateur astronomers are somehow missing this object.

You claim the object is in a totally different location than the 1,609 separate observations over 147 days that are used to generate the orbital elements for the comet would put it.

Those are very extraordinary claims. I hope they are evaluated as such by others.

If anyone can do the math for the following data,, it would verify some questions.


Entered 03:03:11 verified
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Eliptical orbit 3600 years.

reply to post by BobAthome


What math are you looking for? And where did this come from?

Eliptical orbit 3600 years.

Last Seen 1589 B.C

I suspect that orbital period came from a doomsday source or 2012 conspiracy site.

JPL updated the Comet Elenin orbital elements. The adjustments were generally insignificant. However, regarding the eccentricity slightly fluctuating very near to exactly 1.0, this causes the derived values for the semi-major axis, aphelion and orbital period to change dramatically. The eccentricity now given is 0.999955 resulting in a semi-major axis of 10793 AU, an aphelion of 21,585 AU and an orbital period of 1.121 million years.

has anyone noticed that over the recent years disasters have been striking with more and more regularity. (katrina, japan disaster and all the volcanoes) and they say elenin will cause disruptions.... seems like its all building up to me. s&f cheers for the post

reply to post by Illustronic


You mean this stuff,, ya apparently these were originals,, so opps gave it away,, can't be a blind verify anymore,, oh well,,

Leonid Elenin (Lyubertsy, Russia) reports his discovery of a comet on
four 240-s unfiltered CCD exposures taken remotely with a 0.45-m f/2.8
astrograph at the ISON-NM observatory near Mayhill, NM, USA, on Dec. 10.435
UT (discovery observation tabulted below).
After posting on the Minor Planet Center’s “NEOCP” webpage,
other cometary astrometrists have noted the object’s cometary appearance.
A. Sergeyev
(Kharkov, Ukraine) and
A. Novichonok
(Kondopoga, Russia)
write that,
Four stacked 300-s CCD images taken with a,
1.5-m f/8 reflector ,,,at the Majdanak Observatory in Uzbekistan on Dec. 11.0
show a teardrop-shaped, very diffuse coma of diameter 6?
(total magnitude 19.1;
magnitude of nuclear condensation 20.7) and a tail of length 10?-12? in p.a.

Originally posted by Illustronic
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JPL updated the Comet Elenin orbital elements. The adjustments were generally insignificant. However, regarding the eccentricity slightly fluctuating very near to exactly 1.0, this causes the derived values for the semi-major axis, aphelion and orbital period to change dramatically. The eccentricity now given is 0.999955 resulting in a semi-major axis of 10793 AU, an aphelion of 21,585 AU and an orbital period of 1.121 million years.

The latest update from JPL today still has Elenin classified as hyperbolic with an eccentricity of 1.000059803304575. Anything lower than one is outside the bounds of their 1-sigma error. I think it's safe to say this is a hyperbolic comet and the idea of it having a period of 3600 years is laughable.  

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Opps! my data was from Feb. 12th, I didn't think things would change much, my bad. We do agree that 3,600-year orbital period is fantasy though.

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So then it's going in and out of oribit? lol this is too easy

reply to post by BobAthome


It isn't going to remain in 'orbit' about our Sun.

The trajectory is such that after perihelion, it will then depart the Solar System.

Similar to the way we use a planet's gravity well to "sling shot" space craft we send to the outer reaches of the Solar System. A path that is "angled" certain ways will not remain in a stable, return orbit.

Rather simple to comprehend, yes?

reply to post by weedwhacker


You are talking about gravitational pull, ya newtons law, but im taking about an object tends to stay in a straight line in a vacumn , so this comet by wobbling from 0.99 to 1.00 per. i know aint much too the average guy,, but their is not only a law of physics being observed,, ie gravitational pull, etcc,, that all known gravitational influences have been calculated and accounted for, as in factored in, and the fact is,,is it should not be wobbling to such an extent,
at least that is my understanding , so then if correct then what may be the influence on this mass, to cause a pulsating ? type wobble,,
, and never mind the "haley's comet dust" dust lol if thats dust ,
as well as the persiousds??,,, has too wobble on through, all this "dust" (
i'd like too know is it 50/50% ,,70%/30 ?? you can bet the rich folk are drinking coffee and making bets,,)

well hit or miss??

Nasa? would you gamble on the truth,, and all the evidence came from nasa,, would you bet on it ??

love too see what kind of dust this one is bringing
as im pretty sure the coma has yet too stop growing,,

At least thats my view.

The comet isn't "wobbling." The orbital elements are determined by taking observations of the comet's position over time, and mathematically fitting an orbit to those observations. The more observations that are made, the more accurate the fit gets. If a comet has an orbit that is very close to having an eccentricity of 1, there's a time period when the fit can fall to either the greater than 1 side or lower than 1 side.

But that time has passed. Elenin's eccentricity has been nailed down to be greater than 1. Elenin's orbit is determined by over 1,600 observations over the past 147 days. That's more observations than most comets have, meaning the orbit fit is probably one of the better ones for all known comets in the solar system.

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ok sounds plausable at least you went for it,, now pray the +1-1 varience stays stable so that accurate calculations can be made and studied.

It really is easy.

Good reply.

Eliptical orbit 3600 years. unverified.

reply to post by CAELENIUM


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In a long, dialogue-free final sequence, the travelers reach the bottom of the black hole and appear to enter Hell then Heaven.[1] Reinhardt and Maximilian embrace in space, and then appear merged as one on a high rock overlooking a barren, burning Hell-like landscape populated by robed figures resembling the drones of the Cygnus. Meanwhile, the surviving crew of the Palomino pass through a cathedral-like crystal tunnel, with their small craft eventually emerging safely from a white hole in the vicinity of a planet.

The idea of the shadow being a black hole and this is the Gravity of Guilt, that weighs a soul down that would normally bypass even intense gravitational pull, for being light as a feather and Love is the answer to passing this tests.

But a friend of mine who discusses things related to his nde, has talked about the opposite to Light, something cold and gravity. So the endtime or transformation there would be both showing up, either one can stand in the frequency of LoveLight or the shadow would overtake them and though this itself is temporal the winterland astrals would seem like a long time for we have perception of time passing, and would last for an entire cycle until the new cosmic transformation or school is recreated.

I hope its not like that at all.

But I'm very sensitive to gravity, and have to avoid all channeled works as they have this heavy jaki gravity in them, and others don't seem to realize that these words, which obviously though seemingly new age and love must have some significant distortions at key areas, to bring one either the belief that right and wrong, therefore love and hate are perceptions only, so it doesnt matter, just obey, give into your impulses for all paths are equal learning, or there is no consequences. But I can't go near them to dissect and find all the distortions, because the sensation of gravity makes me ill, very ill feeling.

The duality school, the very thing that holds us into this school, gravity of consciousness he dark squares/negativity or the Light, light as feather, conscience free, higher frequency Love. And the job is to chose and weed our gardens and learn from the errors, and problems in our lives and turn away from ever harming anyone.

The 26 000 year cycle has been mentioned before, I thought it was in connection to another black hole however, the one at the center of our galaxy and according to the Mayan the dark rift or earth lining up, entering the thin layer of intense gravity. So it wouldn't need a black hole binary to do this.

I see something different however, for what I see and was shown, (and I do not turn away from the absolute truth and trust the Family, Father/Mother/Yeshua and all that is Love and Goodness to know best of course, so this is what I was shown and pray and hope for only), but I see and have been shown, the Family showing up with so much Love and Understanding for all of us, even the ones playing out the shadow side. They will hold back the waves, and still the quakes, and everyone will wake up.

Who has the resistance to Love and Understanding? Who's negative armor and self loathing even, will stand up to the Power of Love. There is only Love. There is no two equal pathways, like some who follow negativity think. There is only the polarity in the school, the hologram. When our minds allign with the truth and love in the reality (akin to stepping out of the computerized tv into real life) there is only Love. So the other choice is one of scars and wounds and distortions, and needs healing, inside the school. Its not real. Its an illusion.

So who can resist the depth of understanding, compassion, the offer for healing and a call back home, that will come to all souls? At least this is what I was shown and pray for. We will in turn give this to ourselves and everyone, and gladly exit the game and pool all our computer files, our knowledge from both sides and learn enmasse so many lessons. This is what I pray for. Though not at any point am I saying that its OK to harm anyone and that both paths lead to the same place. For only the power of great Love and Understanding can heal such delusion. This would be a miracle. Doing wrong has consequence and heavy gravity guilt.


Those were interesting videos you gave,and they made me examine a few of the issues and ideas that come to me at times.

reply to post by CAELENIUM


Lol, that isn't even a real picture of Elenin.

This was put out by NASA yesterday.

You may have heard the news: Comet Elenin is coming to the inner-solar system this fall. Comet Elenin (also known by its astronomical name C/2010 X1), was first detected on Dec. 10, 2010 by Leonid Elenin, an observer in Lyubertsy, Russia, who made the discovery "remotely" using the ISON-NM observatory near Mayhill, New Mexico. At the time of the discovery, the comet was about 647 million kilometers (401 million miles) from Earth. Over the past four-and-a-half months, the comet has – as comets do – closed the distance to Earth's vicinity as it makes its way closer to perihelion (its closest point to the sun). As of May 4, Elenin's distance is about 274 million kilometers (170 million miles).

Comet Elenin should be at its brightest shortly before the time of its closest approach to Earth on Oct. 16 of this year. At its closest point, it will be 35 million kilometers (22 million miles) from us. Can this icy interloper influence us from where it is, or where it will be in the future? What about this celestial object inspiring some shifting of the tides or even tectonic plates here on Earth? There have been some incorrect Internet speculations that external forces could cause comet Elenin to come closer. "Comet Elenin will not encounter any dark bodies that could perturb its orbit, nor will it influence us in any way here on Earth," said Yeomans. "It will get no closer to Earth than 35 million kilometers [about 22 million miles]. " "Comet Elenin will not only be far away, it is also on the small side for comets," said Yeomans. "And comets are not the most densely-packed objects out there. They usually have the density of something akin to loosely packed icy dirt. "So you've got a modest-sized icy dirtball that is getting no closer than 35 million kilometers," said Yeomans. "It will have an immeasurably miniscule influence on our planet. By comparison, my subcompact automobile exerts a greater influence on the ocean's tides than comet Elenin ever will."

So according to NASA there's nothing to worry about.

Edit to add: Ooops, not yesterday but on May 4, 2011

reply to post by eArth33lr


Even if there was a problem, do you think they would tell us? They wouldvwait till the last moment, then say something went wrong with our calculations. Duh!