Inside info on comet Elenin (yes, you're being lied to)

Originally posted by nataylor

Originally posted by phantomjack
6. Elenin is on an elliptical orbit which brings it to earth every ~3600 years. FACT

No, not fact. The orbital data says that Elenin is on a hyperbolic orbit. This means it is unlikely to have entered the inner solar system at all in the past, and this one pass through will be its one and only. Even if the current orbital data is further refined with more observations, at best Elenin will have a very highly elliptical orbit with a period of millions of years. There is no way it can have a period of 3600 years.

I am researching this further. There are more than one claim to the various theories as to its orbit. But based on what I have seen with the models there, the orbit appears to be more in line with that of my number of ~3600 than 660,000 years.

Granted, I am not a mathematician, nor claim to be. But I am a scientist and not just playing one on TV.

What about the object's distance from above or underneath rather than what the diagrams have shown as to the right or left?

In other words, we see a diagram of the object being .2 au from the earth when looking down at it but in a 3 dimensional model, what if it were say...100au above the earth?

Sorry if this is difficult to understand

Originally posted by nataylor

Originally posted by 3dman7
I haven't read every single post in this thread but, looking at the JPL model, I see the potential for a major problem when/if the comet disintegrates when it swings around the sun. The predicted path will be different for all those small bodies and earth/iss could likely be in the path of a hail of mini comets.....it's just a matter of at which point it breaks apart...if it indeed does.

Actually, if a comet breaks up, the debris tends to stay in very nearly the same orbit.

Exactly, which is the reason why trying to nuke an inbound would not be wise. While we would break up the mass, the mass, in smaller chunks, would continue to travel in the same trajectory.

On another thought, if we are to believe that Elenin is 3-5 km then how can it be a global killer. Doesn't an asteriod/Comet need to be hundred of miles wide to cause an ELE.

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Depending on the speed of the impact, the energy the 2 mile diameter asteroid can deliver can be gigaton equivalent of the atomic blast. If it hits the pacific ocean, the effect of the chain reaction of it will be horrific. All the seismic faults around the pacific ocean will break loose. Sinking of the whole islands of Japan, west coast of the US and the ripple effect of all these will be close to the scene depicted in the movie "Knowing". Hope and pray it won't happen. They didn't name it ELENIN for nothing.

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Hopefully, a small statement i will not get kicked off. You know that our history is littered with something that happens every 3600 years. So, start from there and refute the evidence. I'm sure our ancestors were not some babbling idiots. With that said, we and others are wondering. The only thing we are curious about is it happenning NOW.

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
I'm going to keep this short, but sweet. I have some inside info on elenin and its trajectory. NASA is worried that comet elenin will hit, (yes, physically collide with), the International Space Station (the exact phrasing was "nasa space station"). This means the official .24 au passing distance is a lie.

So the thousands of non-offical and amateur astronomers around the world are in on the 'lie' too...?

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
It also explains the media silence. Most comets recieve large, global news coverage.

That's utterly false. Only a small fraction of comets receive "large, global news coverage".

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
There seems to be a massive disinfo campaign concerning this comet, several youtube accounts have been deleted along with all their videos, for no reason.

That is a MASSIVE dis-info campaign!!!

Sorry, but your post is fatuous, illogical, and entirely devoid of any scientific foundation.

And yet you got all those stars and flags...

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
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Maybe it's the debris field this comet is dragging behind it that they are worried about?

Peace

You took the words right out of my mouth. It would indeed be the debris field that would be most devastating and almost impossible to avoid.

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Popcorn Sutton buskey ?

I like ATS a whole bunch but given the track record of posts and end of the world stuff, I'd say nay to this. The end of the world gets predicted on a weekly basis and has yet to end. I'll believe Discovery over an unidentified mysterious NASA source any day.

Sorry to be the one but what exactly is happening with Elenin?
A big thread like this needs a recap on page 17.

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The Xia Dynasty (Chinese: 夏朝; pinyin: Xià Cháo; Wade–Giles: Hsia-Ch'ao; IPA: [ɕiâ tʂʰɑ̌ʊ̯]; ca. 2070 BC–ca. 1600 BC) is the first dynasty in China to be described in ancient historical chronicles such as Records of the Grand Historian and Bamboo Annals, succeeded by the Shang Dynasty (1600 BC–1046 BC). According to Warring States and Han Dynasty texts, the Xia Dynasty was established by the legendary Yu the Great[1] after Shun gave his throne to him, and was later defeated and replaced by the Shang.

en.wikipedia.org...

Xia Dynasty was the first dynasty of China. Xia dynasty can be dated back to 1600 B.C. The region of Xia dynasty was near Henan and Shaanxi province. Thesere two provinces are civilization cradle of Chinese. Henan and Shaanxi are rich in historical sites and cultural sites of China. Chinese culture and history are originated from these areas.

www.history-of-china.com...

The establishment of the Xia Dynasty (21st - 17th century BC) is an important milestone in the history of Chinese civilization and marks the end of the Primitive Society and the beginning of the Class Society. It is the first dynasty in Chinese history, and lasted nearly 500 years including the reigns of 17 emperors.

www.travelchinaguide.com...

So there's just the very first three results from Google...there are many more that say the exact same thing.

The Xia Dynasty ended in (around) 1600BC, said to have been ousted because the emperor 'was corrupt'.

Corruption fits with him 'losing heavens mandate' or falling from heavens grace.

This, of course would be the perception if crops failed, the celestial bodies were all out of alignment and unusually severe cold and other climatic conditions suddenly started to happen.

The described happenings, are very descriptive of a geological pole shift, or crustal displacement, this would explain the harsh weather, and the sun and moon taking apparently 'different paths' because China's physical position on the Earth's surface would have moved along with the crust...
1600BC to now is 3600 years, Nibiru is reputed to have a similar orbital period.

It's not set in stone, especially when talking about events that happened long ago, with plenty of supposition and so on...but there is certainly a correlation when taking it on face value.

Originally posted by THEDUDE86
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are you stating that you are certain that this comet is Nibiru?

Look, I was skeptical about Nibiru since the first time I heard about it. I have read numerous artifacts over the years. I was an atheist for the largest portion of my life, and now a Mason. My eyes have been opened to ALL beliefs, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, what ever. But I do believe in the Great Architect of the Universe, by definition.

All I am saying is that there are too many written historical documents in existence, all of which you can take time to read. I interpret them, from a scientific point of view, examining every possible angle of descriptions of events as they were written.

The finding of this comet, in combination with the timelines, descriptions, and events of history, make me believe that we may in fact be looking at what thousands of men before us, have written.

If you discard Religion -- for just a second -- and take into account tales of the Great Flood, not once, but twice, the descriptions of Gods and beings throughout the ages, the catastrophic events that something like Nibiru represents, and now this comet, on the same timeline as the ancient prophesies and end of world theorists, something just adds up in my brain.

Have we become so numb to organized religion that we have lost our ability to think out of the box? Why were these texts written in such detail? Sodom and Gomorrah -- how do you account for these descriptions of events in world history? Pure fiction? Or documented facts written as best as it could be by the people of those times in the language and descriptions as best they could?

Will the earth be destroyed? Probably not. But will it be "rebooted" -- probably yes. Just as it has been every ~3600 years or so by some unexplainable event.

To me, its almost like the movie Groundhog Day. Except spread out over 3600 years. We just happen to be living and reading and writing in this thread during that time period where not everything is as it seems.

If you were President of the USA, and had knowledge, would you disclose it knowing full well that millions would die from now until then and there is nothing you can do about it?

Would ANY world power disclose it?

Originally posted by RatedXx
I like ATS a whole bunch but given the track record of posts and end of the world stuff, I'd say nay to this. The end of the world gets predicted on a weekly basis and has yet to end. I'll believe Discovery over an unidentified mysterious NASA source any day.

Not discovery, just one mans blog. And yet another usage of that fake Elenin picture.

Even people who are trying to be factual look incredibly silly when posting false images.

Originally posted by phantomjack
I am researching this further. There are more than one claim to the various theories as to its orbit. But based on what I have seen with the models there, the orbit appears to be more in line with that of my number of ~3600 than 660,000 years.

Granted, I am not a mathematician, nor claim to be. But I am a scientist and not just playing one on TV.

If the comets eccentricity is greater than 1, it does not have an orbital period, let alone a 3,600 year one. This is fundamental orbital mechanics. JPL just updated the data as of the 13th, and it is based on 1292 observations over the course of 124 days, and it is still showing an eccentricity greater than 1. What models are you basing your 3,600 year number off of? When were they last updated? How many observations do they use? What time period of observations do they cover?

Exactly, which is the reason why trying to nuke an inbound would not be wise. While we would break up the mass, the mass, in smaller chunks, would continue to travel in the same trajectory.

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On the other hand, the smaller chunk of debris can be burned off easily by the atmospheric friction when entering the air space. So it may be better trying it than doing nothing. It is definitely worth trying. And I'm sure NASA can spare some of their budget for such project.

So, make the emergency of the situation known to the public and show off the massive blast of the inbound comet and voila the US saved the world.

After that, the economy of the US will be turned around immediately. Who would hesitate to loan money to the US let alone just give it away.

WHAT A GOOD IDEA?

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as i said. mods can feel free to remove all my stars, flags, and points.

Originally posted by nataylor

Originally posted by phantomjack
Really? Because "burdman3006" is one opinion, and the only one I have seen thus far regarding this 660,000 year orbit. I guess everyone, including JPL is wrong but Burdman3006 is right.

JPL lists the eccentricity of the orbit as >1. Hence, it is in a hyperbolic orbit, and thus does not have a "period." As more observations have been made of the comet, the JPL data is refined (it's currently based on 1123 observations over a 118 day period). Originally, they calculated a period of several hundred thousand years, then refined it to several million, and now show it with a hyperbolic orbit.

Well, that curve at perihelion sure does indicate something completely different to me. And that Curve is pretty tight. Look at the orbit of Pluto and compare the two. If Pluto's orbit is 284 years, the orbit of Elenin could be 10 - 12x that based on its curve. I am not a mathematician, so I will leave that to someone else to calculate for me. I am able to look at two ellipses and see the distance they cover. I just don't know the equations to accurately calculate them. So if anyone wants to jump in, please do so.

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Time and time again ATS has become more like house of horros show, yes every time somebody comes with "inside info" "inside source" "my gut feeling" and so on it has been proven every time always it just a bunch of crap, and people seems here love crap! ATS has become to myself a laughing stock , no real info , some good strange data but nothing fact nothing from real sources, just some bunch of people with "friends" in the inside that at the end always fail.


Sorry pal but if you cant mention your source or provide good data from it then this threat for me is just like always in ATS crap crap crap crap.

If from inside sources we talk about i can kill your threat easily, i too have a bigger source than yours, and this source tells me you are just spilling crap, yeah my source its bigger, wiser and all knowing and never its wrong. My source is God and it told me your source is just crap.

And because here in ATS believe every bull...# its trown around then they will believe me too!

ATS has become so low in standards these days...

I do not know exactly what is going on, but i do know that other countries are building underground bunkers, ships underground an massive amounts of body bags. tell me, WHY? Maybe not for elinin, but for god sakes, something is going on here.

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I'm a little confused by your statement. If it breaks apart due to gravity while traveling around the sun then I understand the similar trajectory however an object in motion remains in motion unless acted upon by an outside force. If the comet were to be hit with a nuke it would scatter in a 360 degree funnel shape would it not? This would completely change the trajectory. On something that is 20 miles wide it might not change the trajectory of the main mass but we are talking about something that is much smaller and with the technology of 30 years ago could be obliterated. Please explain why your statement is true.