Lori Hacking

Well I hope he gets that or something equally appealing to some of the larger members of the prison system.

You know I still do not see her body being in that landfill. I honestly believe it is in more of a park setting near a picnic bench and the other things we've discussed in the past week.

One thing I keep waiting to hear on the news is something about her underwear. I don't think the police know about that yet, but there is something very odd about her underwear. Maybe it is the location where they will eventually find them.

Anyway, I suspect her body will be located near that park-type setting as previously described. I think by someone who is stretching, as if getting ready to take a walk or jog. The odor will get the woman's attention I think and she will call someone to check it out.

LOL Red checkered....so fitting. He's a punk.

Perhaps Ken is right about the landfill, perhaps it's Mark's psycho-babble talking. Perhaps he just wants to lead police on a wild goose chase.

I keep seeing stagnant muddy water. This is a place that doesn't always have water in it. This is a place that might get overlooked.

But within 200 yards is a parking lot, a picnic area, kids playing and flying kites on occasion. People walk there and look at plants and flowers.

I wish to heck I could see roadsigns or something a lot easier to understand sometimes

I don't know why, but I continue to think water or bathtub- pool something along those lines.

I wonder if he put her in the bathtub at the house or perhaps they'll locate her body in/under a bathtub at the dump.

When you repeatedly stab someone, there is "spray" which comes off the knife each time the knife is raised. You can determine the exact position of where (height) the knife was held, lets say in a room, when the attack took place. This is the trajectory of the knife, combined with the shape of the blood splatters, an exact position/path of the knife can be determined.

The thing about using a knife, rather than a gun for instance, is that you are "up close" instead of at a "distance" as in using a gun.

Assuming Lori's body is intact, I would suspect, she would have injuries consistent with "crime of passion" which the majority of injuries would be to the face and chest area. With possibly defensive injuries to arms and hands if Lori attempted to fend off Mark. Hard to say if the reports are accurate and the woman was alseep when attacked..............

I wonder why he chose the landfill. I mean, obviously, this is a hard place to locate a body, but, I'm trying to rationalize this. Alot of times, when someone murders someone they know and love- the body is usually wrapped up, and placed in a "comfortable" position- as in a bed to look asleep despite the obvious violent murder.

In this case, Lori's body has been discarded like garbage to rot, in a dumpster/landfill.

To me, this suggests a totally different picture of their relationship than the "loving relationship" reports from the families.

(In another case, there was a homicide/suicide. The perp called 911 to inform them someone was dead. Then turned the gun on himself. He had killed his wife and child due to financial reasons. This was a very close, loving family. The perp "reasoned" he couldn't "leave" the child. The spouse and child were in their beds and were killed in their sleep. The perp didn't want the family to be "left" indefinitely, so he had the forethought to call 911. He wanted them found and taken care of.)



Anyone have an opinion on this?





[edit on 4-8-2004 by mako0956]

To the people that said something about a slash to the neck that nearly cut her head off: Was this on the news? And if so, did they say which side of the neck the cut was on? I haven't heard anything on the news with either details. I'm with Ken, I have trouble believing she is in the landfill.

Perhaps Mark dumped her into a trash bin that is near a park?

[edit on 4-8-2004 by radardog]

Okay, now there were a couple of LDS missionaries that were helping to search the landfill. The Church has offered support to the family of Lori, and if I am not mistaken the control center was set-up at a local LDS meeting house.

As for Mark (himself) not getting support, I would have to agree that it's because he is "innocent until proven GUILTY". For starters, something that you might want to know is that Mark came home from his mission early (he didn't stay out for two years). In the LDS belief, cigarettes (being a tobacco) product) are spoken against in the Words of Wisdom (which are important to those in the LDS Church). My guess is that the thing about him hiding his addiction to cigarettes is MUCH bigger (since Lori is/was LDS) than anyone that doesn't know about the WoW thinks. This could have been quite a confrontation if Lori were to find a pack of cigarettes, which could have led to Mark killing her. Also, this is the type of thing that could get somebody ex-communicated from the Church (my opinion, not that of the LDS Church).


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Also, to the person stating that he Mark might say "Sh*t" would seem quite odd, because you usually won't find Mormons cursing. Then I began to think about it and if he's smoking, coming home from his mission early, and killing people (okay, so one person that we know of) then he is probably using foul language too. In my honest opinion, the public should not look at Mark Hacking as a good example of a Latter-day Saint...ummm, but I think that's pretty self explanatory...

[edit on 8/5/2004 by petey_pongo23]

I thought Mark confessed to killing his wife and tossing her remains in the trash.

you're right Bangin

here is the link

www.cbsnews.com...

LO

[edit on 5-8-2004 by LadyOrchid]

The issue here isn't that he is LDS!
Do you really think that her confronting him about cigarettes would make him kill her? No. And yes, I know of these Words of Wisdom, but anybody who lives in Utah and is forcefed the Church's 'gospel' also knows that the WoW mean nothing to most of the members. I don't understand why this can't be looked at as MARK HACKING - ALLEGED MURDERER of HIS WIFE instead of MARK HACKING - MISSIONARY SENT HOME EARLY WHO SMOKES AND ALLEGEDLY MURDERED HIS WIFE. It's ridiculous, really.

Yes, the Gov't says "innocent until proven guilty"; I don't. 'Tis my opinion, which is something I'm entitlted to, that Mark is without a doubt guilty. A person who wasn't guilty would want to do anything possible to disspell the rumors. I don't know about you, but I live here in Salt Lake City and Mark running around naked at a hotel isn't going to make me believe he's just melting down because his wife "disappeared". What makes me absolutely SICKENED is that he said "oh yeah, my wife never came home, blah blah blah" and thousands of people went searching for her, thousands of fliers were posted for her...and all the time, he knew damn well what happened. No...I say we take the French motto: guilty until proven innocent.

I would also like to the share with members of this forum that I came here a skeptic and now I'm really starting to question some of my previously held beliefs.

In addition to the accuracies I see in your views, I had my own experience this morning. On my way to work on I-15, I got into a car accident. It wasn't as bad as it could've been, just severe wiplash and the car will need a new bumper. But when I went to pull out my registration for the UHP, I remembered a dream I had last night. I had dreamt about that registration paper because I thought I'd taken it out of the car for some reason. In my dream, there was a sense of urgency that I needed that document, so I conceeded to search the car for it after work. Well this morning around 7:30 I realized why my dream told me I needed to find it. But the registration was right where it should've been and all was good.

I just wanted to share that with everyone....I found it to be very interesting.

Originally posted by petey_pongo23
and killing people (okay, so one person that we know of)
[edit on 8/5/2004 by petey_pongo23]

Yeah, this dude sounds like he could have killed more than one person. Or done some other dark deed we haven't found out yet. Dahmer killed a boy when he was still a teenager & managed to cover it up just fine. Don't be surprised if you hear that Lori wasn't the first victim...

Amber, I never said that him being LDS was the issue. The issue is that it's looking more and more like he is the one that killed her (wording this carefully). You made a statement, and I responded with my opinion. If you want to throw a fit over my point of view, then be my guest.

Also, do I think that Lori confronting Mark about cigarettes could set him off to kill her? Well, keep in mind that this is the same man that was caught running around a motel naked. At that point, finding an fly in his soup might set this crackpot off to kill somebody.

I for one have not been saying "poor, poor LDS missionary". I don't care if he is LDS, Buddhist, Islamic, Atheist, or if he prefers to worship the underside of an upside-down pineapple cake (whichever side that may be). The point is IF (which I believe he did) murder his wife, then he should recieve the same punishment that would be given to any other human being committing the same act.

The information which I stated (which is readily available to anyone) is for the pure purpose of stating that he shouldn't be looked at as a "poor, poor missionary" as you put it. He wasn't living by the LDS doctrine, he wasn't living by the honor system, and he wasn't even living the life that his family thought he was. The point is, he hasn't been truthful or honest about anything so far. He has continued to lie to people, whether they be in or out of the LDS Church it doesn't matter. All of the reports seem to point to his being a straightforward liar (humm...I like oxymoron).

Originally posted by amber83
The issue here isn't that he is LDS!
Do you really think that her confronting him about cigarettes would make him kill her? No. And yes, I know of these Words of Wisdom, but anybody who lives in Utah and is forcefed the Church's 'gospel' also knows that the WoW mean nothing to most of the members. I don't understand why this can't be looked at as MARK HACKING - ALLEGED MURDERER of HIS WIFE instead of MARK HACKING - MISSIONARY SENT HOME EARLY WHO SMOKES AND ALLEGEDLY MURDERED HIS WIFE. It's ridiculous, really.

This is where I have an alternative theory to put forth. What if "religion" did in fact play a part in this murder?

Now before you hang me out to dry - here's what I think:

Religion is a very powerful force - its all about guilt/repentance/being worthy. With certain religions concentrating more on the guilt and being worthy part. Mark had sucessful brothers who served successful missions, married stay at home moms and are active in their church. Mark struggled in school, didn't finish his mission, had a wife that worked and he participated in activities that went completely against his religion. The guilt and self-loathing must have been incredible. Add to this family pressure - things will get better if you just go to church and live by the gospel.

And its not an isolated case:

In a similar case from Provo last year, Paul Turner pleaded guilty to four counts of felony aggravated attempted murder for trying to kill his wife and unborn daughter. Turner fed his wife cookies and sandwiches laced with rat poison. He also switched one of his wife's medications with fish-tank cleaner and made spaghetti with mushrooms he believed were poisonous. Turner was sentenced to up to 15 years in the Utah State Prison.

This guy attempted to kill his wife and unborn child because she found out that he had been surfing porn on the net. He was afraid that she would tell his bishop. Think about that for a minute - he was willing to take her life and the life of her child rather than be disgraced in his church.

I'm suspecting that Mark's religion did factor into this - but in the end it was Mark who exercised his free agency and he alone should be punished for it.

Don't you find it at least convienient he was running around naked, but with sandals on? I'd say it's time to raise the bull# flag on that one. He's wanting people to think he's nuts in a way that he isn't.

Originally posted by amber83
Don't you find it at least convienient he was running around naked, but with sandals on? I'd say it's time to raise the bull# flag on that one. He's wanting people to think he's nuts in a way that he isn't.

Now that you mention it, I do remember that little nugget. It would appear that Hacking has more in common with that moron in Provo than I thought.

I saw where someone mentioned that Mark Hacking was sent home early from his mission. Here is an article that explains why he was sent home early and it didn't have anything to do with cigarettes. By all evidence, Mark Hacking was anything but a model Mormon. At least, I hope he isn't.

Amber, I would like to say that I am very glad that you were (relatively) uninjured. I have had my share of automobile accidents (once I was turned around all NASCAR like in the snow into oncoming traffic, let's just say that 12-car pileups are not fun). Thankfully you were okay (aside from the whiplash). If you feel anything different in the next few days, please go to see a doctor. There was a woman in my home county that was in a "fender bender" (I saw the wreck and it was nothing but a little bump if that), but she died three days later from internal bleeding. You can never be too careful, when it comes to that...

Also, you make a VERY good point about him being naked (but with sandals). Obviously he didn't want his feet to get dirty, now let's get some symbolism off of that, because remember the tape where he is shown looking at his hands. There is something to be said about keeping your hands and feet clean, someone should look into this.

As far as being sent home from his mission, I did not know the exact reason. Can I just say that he is definitely not the model LDS person at all. In fact, it doesn't sound like he was a very pleasant person no matter what situation you look at it from. Let's just say that all of the "little things" that he did we constant, then he would be sexually frustrated, a drunkard, a cigarette addict (different than a regular smoke for sake of argument), and a pathological liar. It�s not looking very good for you at all Mark. Wow, this isn�t looking good at all...

...is there a stupidity plea?

Yeah because normally, or at least in my experience, most crazy people don't care about their feet and in general don't feel pain. He put on sandals, as to avoid perhaps a piece of glass in his foot. If you're "insane" or running about naked as was his case, you probably wouldn't think to put on your shoes. I'm not saying I don't think he is a loon, but I don't think he's a loon to the point of "he was insane, so he killed her" I think the case is more that he was cunning and calculating, and now he wants to play on a ticket of insanity.

A lot of people are upset with him because he lied to everybody. "She never made it in today"...exactly. He said "it's hard because I am not looking for somebody sitting on a rock or walking around, i'm looking for someone under a branch or a tree. I'm looking for someone who is hurt" That was from his statement on July 19 to some reporters. What I find interesting about that is A: he never used her name, nor "my wife" just "she" and B: how did he know she was hurt? Logic would tell us that if she went on a normal jog, yet didn't return home, she would be hurt, dead or abducted. But he said it so definate and so..lifeless really. There was no sense of urgency because he knew she wouldn't be found alive.

Yes, I do believe he is sick. But no, I don't believe this was an "insane" moment where he decided to kill her. He knows exactly what he is doing...elsewise, how would he have kept up a charade for 5 + years? He worked in the pychiatric ward of the hospital...he knows a thing or two about how to act, but he's really doing a sloppy job.

I still think he should wear a dress when he enters the prison

Everyone talked about the stupidy of Scott Peterson before his trail. Look where he is now: It seems things are going his way. Perhaps there is more than what meets the eye -- and if Mark had lied before about a previous life, perhaps he isn't exactly telling the truth in respect to details of the murder. His testimony isn't exactly the most credible in the world, in my opinion.

All-in-all, not finding the corpse only helps his case. It would seem more logical to mislead people than to give in -- especially without some sort of deal from the state.