French ban on Islamic face veil comes into force

reply to post by P3ACE0WAR


Im pretty sure most parents would be HAPPY if their daughter didnt wear mini skirts.. However most parents let their kids make their OWN choices, which is the complete opposite with the burkha, women MUST wear them in public or else they will be beaten. I have never met any girl who MUST wear a mini skirt or else she faces a beating.. free choice and being forced are the complete opposite..

I hope this spreads cos if I walked into a around in balaclava I would be a suspect so should they

Originally posted by Haydn_17


Where the hell do you live? Ive lived in England for 18 years and never seen a girl wear a miniskirt in -10c.

Really? Then I suppose you don't go out a lot?

files.myopera.com...

www.chinasmack.com...

They must be forced in to wearing those skirts right?

I have seen in my own town, if you go out on Friday and Saturday you would see hundreds at freezing temperatures walking around with miniskirts.

Originally posted by Seibei
reply to post by P3ACE0WAR

 

Im pretty sure most parents would be HAPPY if their daughter didnt wear mini skirts.. However most parents let their kids make their OWN choices, which is the complete opposite with the burkha, women MUST wear them in public or else they will be beaten. I have never met any girl who MUST wear a mini skirt or else she faces a beating.. free choice and being forced are the complete opposite..

What you're saying is all based on assumptions, that's why I made my own assumptions to make individuals like you understand, that assumptions hold no value.

Originally posted by P3ACE0WAR

Originally posted by Haydn_17


Where the hell do you live? Ive lived in England for 18 years and never seen a girl wear a miniskirt in -10c.

Really? Then I suppose you don't go out a lot?

files.myopera.com...

www.chinasmack.com...

They must be forced in to wearing those skirts right?

I have seen in my own town, if you go out on Friday and Saturday you would see hundreds at freezing temperatures walking around with miniskirts.

Only a total fool would mistake fashion for oppression .

And how many hours do you spend spying on young girls in short skirts ? Every Friday and Saturday ?

reply to post by P3ACE0WAR


Thats certainly not England.

I dont tend to take weekend trips to China

Originally posted by gandalphthegrey

Originally posted by jonnywhite

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by gandalphthegrey
There are many men who believe in the equality of women . I dare you to sprout your feminist beliefs in a Saudi city.

Your first phone call would probably be to a western male to come and save you from an inevitable beheading.

I understand that - - - and know blacks probably wouldn't have their freedom today if it wasn't for some dedicated white people.

You miss the point. Women first have to believe they are suppressed and have the right to Equality. Many in religious cultures don't think it is their right.

Women have to believe the fight is worth it and their right - - - before the fight can succeed.

Why are you being so touchy?

I agree with you, but what happens when a culture feels it's ok to murder innocent children to rid the village of evil spirits or to rape a convicted criminal to set the oppressive spirit free? When a culture starts to cross that line it's no longer an intellectual issue, it's a humanitarian issue.

Intellectuals like to conceive of things in their marble towers, but it only goes so far. Reality is subject to physics and an end. People won't sit and let a culture murder innocent children.

edit on 11-4-2011 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)

You are absolutely correct . This whole issue is about humanitarian rights , but also about respecting the rights of your adopted country . Everybody else gets it , apart from the Muslims .

Now that I think about it, you're right. If one is going to say that their cultural rights are important (they can wear a veil), then what about the country they're in that has a cultural trait that does not mesh with it? If I walk into someone's house with my hiking boots because that's what I do at home, but they tell me to take them off because they don't want me wearing them in their house, at least I have the choice to decline and go home.

Well I guess that's the end of that debate, thanks a lot to the participants.

Cheers.

Edit to add to be more specific lol

The debate between me and the other individual has ended, not the whole thread 0.o

reply to post by backinblack

Originally posted by P3ACE0WAR
Well I guess that's the end of that debate, thanks a lot to the participants.

Cheers.

Wrong again ( and again and again ) , it's not your thread , you arrogant little man .

Originally posted by PurpleDog UK

The French run a secular society and therefore do not 'Bend Over Backwards' like we do here in the UK to try and PLEASE everyone.......... BUt I remember serious rioting in France several years ago in the cities and I wonder if that will be repeated in any way ?

The riots in the Banlieue of Paris were for economic reasons: there's 80% unemployment in some of these suburbs. Cars are incinerated every night over there, we just caught the pinnacle of their struggles on TV - if I recall correctly it was because the cops killed a street-kid. On one night 400 cars were set on fire. Nowadays the number is back to ... normal. The movie La Haine which I'm sure you will enjoy touches this subject.

Banning the burqa is based on a law where it is prohibited to make yourself unrecognizable in public. This is also the case in my country and the Islamic society has applauded it. The regular, non-face-covering veil is allowed but not when exercising public functions (which has led to more friction with the Muslims).

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


This will probably turn out like it did for Belgium. They banned the burqa as well quite a few years ago, but it is not enforced. It will be interesting to see how they plan to enforce it. I mean, this is a religious decision to wear it. My neighbor chooses to wear hers because her God says that she should. Her husband is totally cool and leaves it all up to her, but she chooses to because it is what she feels is holy.

What will they do if if a woman wears one in public? Go rip it off of her? For her it would be like someone walking up to a non-muslim woman and ripping her shirt off. She would surely feel naked. Could you imagine being the cop that has to do it? Maybe they will ticket them and they will have to pay a fine?

This will be very interesting to see how they plan to enforce it, but I am thinking it will end up being like Belgium. Just not enforced.

I heard the reasoning for the law was because vailing was a sign of male oppression.
So I guess they think the solution is government oppression.
When I saw the punishment was a fine and possible citizenship course, I realized that this law was likely put in place to curb muslim imigration, which is somewhat unwelcome, I hear.

It'll stand for now but what happens when Muslims make up 51% of the population? By looking at the numbers of Muslims moving in, it won't take long.

Then what?

Originally posted by restlessbrainsyndrome
reply to post by PurpleDog UK

 

This will probably turn out like it did for Belgium. They banned the burqa as well quite a few years ago, but it is not enforced. It will be interesting to see how they plan to enforce it. I mean, this is a religious decision to wear it. My neighbor chooses to wear hers because her God says that she should. Her husband is totally cool and leaves it all up to her, but she chooses to because it is what she feels is holy.

What will they do if if a woman wears one in public? Go rip it off of her? For her it would be like someone walking up to a non-muslim woman and ripping her shirt off. She would surely feel naked. Could you imagine being the cop that has to do it? Maybe they will ticket them and they will have to pay a fine?

This will be very interesting to see how they plan to enforce it, but I am thinking it will end up being like Belgium. Just not enforced.

So now you expect the west to believe that not only is this a religous requirement , but also that the subdued woman would feel violated if forced not to wear it ?

Do you honestly expect anybody to believe this ?

reply to post by gandalphthegrey


I have not surveyed them, so I cannot answer. Would you like to answer, with sources to back it up?

I dont agree with women being forced to wear concealment clothing but this* is sad for the women in a way and not the right way for the french to handle it. Now those muslim women probably wont be able to leave their house for fear of husband retaliation.

reply to post by Haydn_17


The point you seem to be missing, and the "lord of the rings buff", is that your little western crusade would be better directed at where it could do the most good, ie saving all the white women who end up at the bottom of the river.

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by gandalphthegrey

 

I have not surveyed them, so I cannot answer. Would you like to answer, with sources to back it up?

I was merely quoting the numbers you gave . Why do I even need to back it up ? Duh

reply to post by Haydn_17


There are terrible things done when the Quran is taken too literally. Just as when the Bible is taken too literally. Fortunately, the vast majority of Muslims and Christians do not take them 100% literally. Forcing someone to stop dressing in a way they feel their religion says they should is oppressive. Funny that this law is supposedly fighting oppression.