Haarp causing earthquakes?

Originally posted by Condemned0625
reply to post by okiecowboy

 

They use low frequency radio waves at 3.6 million watts to push the ionosphere upwards, causing the stratosphere to go up and fill in the gap which in turn moves the jet stream around and changes weather conditions. Low frequency radio waves cause vibrations and are similar to the way sub-woofers vibrate everything around them with very low bass. 3.6 million watts of ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) waves can be directed to any location in the world by bouncing off the ionosphere and hitting the target to cause huge earthquakes. That is how it's done. Total weather control is expected to be accomplished by 2025 and that's the military's goal.

Thats the theory. But can you imagine the energy needed to cause a massive earthquake? Did earthquakes occour anyplace where they do not belong, away from fault lines?

reply to post by Cassius666


3.6 megawatts is the energy that is used. It's not that hard to understand it. They utilize an entire electric grid that is strictly for use by them only. It's not ordinary electric power that you use in your house. You can't rightfully label a fact as a theory - it doesn't make sense. HAARP is not a secret anymore and anyone can obtain information about it to prove that the "theories" are true. The national archives stores tons of evidential documents and sometimes documents are even released by the agencies themselves, such as the vault section on the FBI's website.

reply to post by Condemned0625

waves can be directed to any location in the world by bouncing off the ionosphere and hitting the target to cause huge earthquakes.

ok please forgive my ignorance, I am really trying to wrap my head around all this...

so how can the waves be directed?.

.I think I understand about the weather paer and the jet stream etc...but still don't get the earthquake part...

thank you for taking the time to explain to me.....

reply to post by okiecowboy


Their equipment can be remotely aimed at different angles. They can calculate the correct angle of the reflection so it will hit the targeted area. You can actually trigger an earthquake with a much smaller output of ELF radio waves if you're using radio equipment that is designed to scan underground for natural gas and oil pools. If you're directly on top of a fault line, it can trigger an earthquake. One of the men in the History channel documentary did it by accident. HAARP uses 3.6 megawatts, which is enough to trigger earthquakes anywhere in the world.

HAARP agitates the Ionosphere.
Plate tectonics cause earthquakes.
I`m confused about the connection.

Originally posted by Elostone
I would consider The History Channel to be a reliable source, as well as MSM

So wrong...........

2nd.

reply to post by Condemned0625


A massive earthquake in Japan is still nothing out of the ordinary. Again, did any earthquakes occour away from fault lines?

reply to post by Moxiaty


Honestly, I don't believe they do.

reply to post by Cassius666


Yes. There are earthquakes occurring all over the world right now, away from fault lines. Have you seen the earthquake maps from USGS and other sources?

reply to post by Condemned0625


Yes we do get earthquakes aways from faultlines - those in the North Sea for example are often down to continuing isostatic adjustment after the last ice age and subsequent sea level rises. Though common, such earthquakes do however tend to be small and are rarely of ever noticed.

It's also worth noting than many of the earthquakes in Britain are along very ancient faultlines. Just because a region is not currentlt tectonicly active does not means earthquakes do not still occur. Again, these tend to be small and are rarely noticed.

And human activity can also causes small quakes away from any faultline. As may be the case with fracking in some areas.

But have there been any big (say mag 5+) earthquakes in any region where there is no natural or other obvious explanation?

reply to post by Essan


Some of them are magnitude 5 and below. What's your point? How could they tell if it was a natural cause? The ELF waves trigger the tectonic plates which in turn trigger earthquakes, so determining whether it was initially caused by the Earth itself or HAARP is extremely difficult. All I know is that HAARP is real (obviously) and they have the technology to do it.

Originally posted by AnnonymousLurker

Originally posted by Elostone
I would consider The History Channel to be a reliable source, as well as MSM

So wrong...........

2nd.

Wrong? Really??
Please, if you know something to discredit The History Channel's credibility, something documented, do share!
If not, please reserve your (undocumentable) opinions to yourself until you have verifiable proof.
Deny Ignorance!
Peace

reply to post by Elostone


The History Channel is far from reliable as a source. It is, when all is said and done, a TV station. They sensationalize topics they cover to attract viewing figures. Anyone who has watched any of the documentary programmes about the mayan calander and the 2012 doom prophecy can tell you that. As for the MSM part, i`m not even going to go there. You shouldn`t need me to point out what is right in front of your face.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

That thread should help anyone who is confused about the HAARP technology and its capability of producing earthquakes. If the History channel isn't good enough for you, read that thread. The History channel does provide factual historical information, such as the history of the Roman empire and World War 2, but I guess skeptical extremists dismiss it when it talks about HAARP or any other project. You might not want some things to be true, but sometimes they are and there's nothing you can do about it. Honest skeptics accept facts even when they don't want them to be true. Why? Well, because they're facts. It's not very intelligent to be skeptical of facts.

reply to post by Condemned0625


The history channel may well show some factually based and informative progammes, granted.
However, if you want to accept everything that is shown on the history channel as fact then go ahead. Add in the drivel spouted by the MSM and continue to believe that anyone who doesn`t conform to your unshakeable belief in whats shown on TV and printed in the papers as "a skeptical extremist".
Sounds like a good way to unearth the truth about "them" using HAARP - as you claim it causes these earthquakes........ They`ll probably admit to it in the MSM in a few days........

reply to post by Condemned0625


It isnt about being a sceptic, its about finding the most plausible explanation. Japan is sitting on 4 fault lines dealt with quakes continuously and got hit by a big one eventually. Shocking but not unexpected thankg god. Had such a quake hit a city elsewhere in the world, the deaths would have been in the hundreds of thousands.

reply to post by AnnonymousLurker


I guess you know nothing about ELF waves, but don't worry about it. Not everyone understands certain things. I'll continue to investigate situations while you dismiss some of them because they seem like hoaxes to you, if that's what you're trying to say.

reply to post by Cassius666

It isnt about being a sceptic, its about finding the most plausible explanation.

I never said it was.

Originally posted by Condemned0625
reply to post by AnnonymousLurker

 

I guess you know nothing about ELF waves, but don't worry about it. Not everyone understands certain things. I'll continue to investigate situations while you dismiss some of them because they seem like hoaxes to you, if that's what you're trying to say.

I have read many threads on ATS regarding HAARP causing earthquakes and being utilized as a weapon.
I have looked at the cited sources and heard arguments for and against the mechanics, motives and more.
For me, it`s not really a plausible scenario for a number of reasons and nothing I have read so far lends it any further credence in my mind. Obviously that`s where our opinions differ, which is fine.

uhm... the article linked with the "presumed" magnetometer readings is quite flawed, in so many things, I personally don't give much scientific credit to people who don't even bother labelling the axes on graphs that are to be shown to the whole world.
Haarp, whatever it is, seems to be capable of sending some electromagnetic radiation around, 3.6Mw isn't that huge btw, though there are posts that talk about billions of watts, so I think we should get things clearer.

Mechanical vibration and electromagnetic vibration are 2 very different things; as I wrote in another thread: a radar can be used to detect an earthquake, causing an earthquake with a radar just doesn't seem feasible; I still have to read something that makes the slightest bit of sense to support this idea, which to my limited knowledge is total nonsense. The amount of energy involved in a big earthquake anyway is way bigger then that; are there ways to trigger a natural earthquake? maybe. Are there ways to cause a severe earthquake somewhere we just decide we want one? I don't think so.