Is Westboro Baptist Chruch a Mind Control Psy-Op?

Originally posted by Fiberx
All places of worship and mind control operations. 'nuff said.
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typical Atheist

It seems like Phelps has a problem with any- and everything, including mainstream Baptists...

WBC

Though the main purpose of the Priests Rape Boys website is to criticize Catholicism, the WBC also criticizes several mainline Protestant churches on the website, including Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Anglicans, and Baptists. The WBC states that

...their preachers have shirked their responsibility to tell people the truth about sin, and instead lie to them about what the Lord their God doth require of them. If these lying, false prophets told people the truth about what God says regarding those who suffer sin upon their neighbor (Lev. 19:17–18), there wouldn't be any butts in the seats when the plate got passed. These preachers are not preachers of righteousness, they are teachers having itching ears (2Tim 4:3), and they absolutely count on the abysmal bible illiteracy of their parishioners ... "Priests rape boys" is indeed an air-tight, three word case against all of the mainline "christian" churches – their preachers and members, without exception. They are all going to Hell![

I didnt know he hated Jews as well...

American taxpayers are financing this unholy monument to Jewish mendacity and greed and to filthy fag lust. Homosexuals and Jews dominated Nazi Germany ... The Jews now wander the earth despised, smitten with moral and spiritual blindness by a divine judicial stroke ... And God has smitten Jews with a certain unique madness ... Jews, thus perverted, out of all proportion to their numbers energize the militant sodomite agenda... Jews are the real Nazis

reply to post by Skyfloating

In one of the videos Fred Phelps claims that his church is "the ONLY church that teaches Gods word".

I don't like Fred Phelps and many others at the WBC but i do like Shirley Phelps.

Fred did answer Yes to the question "are you The only church preaching according to the word of God." First minute of this video:

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This claim swayed me towards Psy-op. However, answering "Yes" is no where near good enough for me to base any conclusions on what exactly he was meaning. Did he mean that the WBC was the only Church in Kansas telling the truth? The only Church in America telling the truth? The only Church in the world telling the truth?

Similar is claimed in a later video buy one of the members

The video you refer too is this:

www.youtube.com...



At 2:52 Louis asks the question Are you the only Church preaching the word of god (my paraphrase). At 2:56 the camera cuts away. They cut back to Steve who looks like he's answering the question. Unless I hear a full uncut version I won't base any conclusions on a crafty edit because I've seen other members saying something entirely different when confronted with the same question.

reply to post by DanUKphd


Thanks for posting the relevant passages. Very helpful.

And also thanks for shifting your views after you became aware of new facts in the thread on Louis Thereoux. I dont see that very often that someone actually changes their position after new data becomes known. Kudos

Originally posted by DanUKphd

This claim swayed me towards Psy-op. However, answering "Yes" is no where near good enough for me to base any conclusions on what exactly he was meaning.

I posted another quote of his on various churches above. That clarifies it. And in the 8th or 7th video another member (guy with a baseball cap) is asked a similar question and says that other churches dont teach the pure word of God.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

With regards to money, arn't many of the family trained lawyers? I dont know who they would represent, maybe they make their money by prosecuting those who seek to deny their 1st Amendment rights? I dont know.

That is exactly what they do. A perfect example of how WBC operates can be found in this story out of the Baltimore Sun.

What is legal is not always right- Baltimore Sun

For those who do not wish to read the article, it basically says that in 2007 the father of a deceased soldier sued WBC for disrupting his son's funeral. The Father won his case and was awarded 10.9 million dollars. An appeals court threw out that verdict and instead order the father of the soldier to cover WBC's legal cost to the sum of $16,500. Now remember, most of the WBC clan are all attorneys. They represent themselves. So any judgment that rules in their favor is actually a profit. That is how WBC makes it's money, they sue anyone they can, but you do not have to be sued by them. They threatened legal action against a radio station in the Carolinas, but instead of going after money, WBC agreed to drop any future litigation in exchange for air time on the radio station so they can spread their message.

Originally posted by Fiberx
All places of worship and mind control operations. 'nuff said.
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Even if all of religion were psy-ops, this is not your usual religion-bashing thread. We can still tell the difference between well-meaning and hateful people. The Phelps people are not religious people. They are something else. I want to find out what and why.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
After watching the 8-part series The most hated family in America I am wondering whether "Westboro Baptist Church" under the Phelps family is a covert psy-op or a secret mind-control / MKUltra cult. We know that there have been mind control experiments with other religious cults, most notoriously Jim Jones mass-suicide cult or, more recently, Heavens Gate. In the video series itself there are various hints that something is amiss. Here are a few:

* In one of the videos Fred Phelps claims that his church is "the ONLY church that teaches Gods word". Similar is claimed in a later video buy one of the members. This blanket insult at millions of other Christian churches should give you a hint that these people are either mentally ill or under some remote influence. I mean, we know that many ultra-fundamentalist Christians think that Christianity is the only true Religion, but to think that ones church is the only true church is more than just a little extreme.

* All phelps family members seem to have a lot of money, including those who are no longer members of the Church.This is odd since ultras and extremists normally dont have that much money. On the fringe of society nobody wants to give you money. It looked as if every family member sports their own SUV.

* The media are lashing on to these far-out-fringe loons as if they were representative of anything. In the movie its Louis Thereoux, but also other notables such as Michael Moore take "Westboro Baptist Church" as representative of what Religion is all about. Clearly walking around with Pickets saying "God Hates Fags" and "Fags eat Poop" is not what Religion is about. So what is the medias agenda with zooming in on these utter loons as if they were what the majority of religious people are like? If this is a Psy-Op then the goal here would be to increase the divide between the two already extremely conflicted ideological groups (left-wing/right-wing) in America.

* While it is true that there are parts of the Bible that forbid a Christian from having homosexual relationships, emphasizing and exaggerating this particular aspect of the Bible is a sign of either - again - mental illness, or some kind of unsound agenda. Most Christians I know would hold pickets saying "Jesus Loves You", not "God Hates Fags". In fact, quite a number of Christians are tolerant of Homosexuality. But their voices dont get heard in the media. In fact, the Westboro Baptist Church looks more like it was dreamed up as a caricature of an atheists biggest nightmare than anything resembling the normal decency and respect we know from Christians.

Of course I have no evidence that WBC is a secret psy-operation by some agency or rogue agency. Im only seeing the ripples of a stone cast long ago. Im only wondering who cast the stone. Im wondering if we, working together, can research and find evidence for strange ongoings in Westboro. Because there are a number of things seriously wrong with this case. How does a church get this insane? And why do all kinds of well-known journalists zoom in on it as if it represents anything? Its because of the medias cameras that these loons became known in the first place. Without the media they would be nothing. This is indeed how the mass-media manufactures controversy. Its so easy. You just point your camera at the most deranged idiot around and make it into something big.

I will be looking around for any further evidence that might point to what the thread title says and post it here as I find it.

A cult comes to my mind.
Do they kill those they have so much angst against, if no ,leave them alone to wallow in their hatredness

Originally posted by dizzylizzy
leave them alone

They've already produced plenty of ripples. I think its time to look into their background.Its time to apply Google with the keywords Westboro and:

"mind control"

"psy-op"

"MK Ultra"

Wow, actually found someone who has the same thought: Westboro Psy-Op.

reply to post by Skyfloating

They've already produced plenty of ripples. I think its time to look into their background.Its time to apply Google with the keywords Westboro and: "mind control" "psy-op" "MK Ultra"

Like I said, I'm swaying towards psy-op but I'm not convinced yet. Some of Louis T's previous Doc's have turned out to be an assault on the truth but that's another issue.

With regards to the money. Where do the WBC get their money from? I found some interesting information at the State of Kansas Salary Database:

www.kansas.com...

While this is a higher than average salary for the Kansas area, if all 70 members of the WBC average what these 4 people earn then they might be able to fund some activities. Having said that, Shirley Phelps has 11 children, pickets everyday, and has no time to work.

Margie Phelps Department of Corrections Public Service Executive III $65,972.00

Elizabeth Phelps Social/Rehab Svcs Executive III $65,522.00

Fred Phelps Jr Corrections Attorney A $55,239.00

Abigail Phelps Juvenile Correct. Special I $42,536.00

Originally posted by DanUKphd
Some of Louis T's previous Doc's have turned out to be an assault on the truth but that's another issue.

True. But the pickets and statements speak for themselves imo.

Thanks for the numbers. "Public Service"....OK.

I think they are - but in THIS way:
They exist to make Christian fundamentalism look really, really bad. They do this in such a way to make it seem like a bad idea across political spectrums of left and right by using hatred of gays against families of dead solidiers.

Is it intentional? I bet it is. BUT, if it isn't, it's still working.
And I don't think it is a bad thing.

It only SEEMS like a bad GROUP.
It's a good group to me - not because of what they do in any isolated regional incidents - but in a broader social sense - because they cause people to distance themselves from that sort of thinking very vocally.

The muslims could use a group like them. A group that can make other muslims hate fundamentalism without really PHYSICALLY hurting or killing anyone!

reply to post by hadriana


Thats an interesting way of seeing it. Something bad that makes something good.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by DanUKphd
Some of Louis T's previous Doc's have turned out to be an assault on the truth but that's another issue.

True. But the pickets and statements speak for themselves imo.

Thanks for the numbers. "Public Service"....OK.

Yeah but don't forget that 15 years ago Louis T made a documentary about the New World Order. He totally demonized everyone who said it was real. They had pickets too and he made them out to be total loonies just like he did with the WBC. 13 years later and Jason Bermas produced a documentary called "Invisible Empire" which totally vindicated the NWO believers. Where Louis led people to believe the NWO didn't exist, Bermas got every World leader on video talking about the NWO.

Louis might be a nice guy, but he doesn't control the edit. The edit is designed psy-op style to mislead.

JMO, and I do think it is brilliant, no matter if it was all part of God's plan, nature's plan, or man's plan.

In 4:00 in the video above - I notice when she's getting on the plane that her hair is braided.

Interesting - no one that is that literalism would braid their hair? She's got on pants - they all look (cept the ol guy) like they could kick your butt with judo if they had to.

God works in mysterious ways, and maybe so does the CIA. lol
If I had to dig on these people, I'd dig back a good ways and not take their family relationships as guaranteed.
BUT, I'd also not look back, because I like the effect they have of having people everywhere, Christian and non-Christian alike, say, very public and vocal, "THIS IS NOT WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS."

It's MASS public shunning, the most powerful form of nonviolent aversive social control that I know.

reply to post by DanUKphd


What I was saying is that Westboro Baptist Church sounds and looks bad even without the help of Louis Thereoux. Look at those pickets. Look at how they hassle dead soldiers.

And: The Bible does mention that a Christian musnt be a homosexual but nowhere in the Bible does it say that God "hates" Fags. But it does say God hates people who stir up dissension among people:

"There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers

(Proverbs 6:16)

Originally posted by hadriana
God works in mysterious ways, and maybe so does the CIA. lol

It's MASS public shunning, the most powerful form of nonviolent aversive social control that I know.

edit on 10-4-2011 by hadriana because: typos and misspellings are me.

Thats pretty interesting. I wouldnt put it beyond the CIA to be involved in a positive conspiracy.

reply to post by Skyfloating


I understand the concept of free will. "Good/Bad", "Light/Dark" though....... I don't see things so "black and white" - And this is what i have contempt for - Religion attempts to polarize morality, people who don't adhere are not doing the true "good" will of God and are therefore sinners. This is why a believer can easily form prejudice against a non-believer.

My initial response still stands. Perhaps there is some conspiracy behind religion and how it was originally created, but i think it's mere accident, the rich certainly do seem to have used to to their advantage throughout history.

I don't think there's any mind control in regards to the Westboro Baptist Church, they really are just that stupid. I'm not afraid to say that. If i believed in Devils and Demons, the grandfather would definetly meet the specifications