"Just Released" The memo that 'proves aliens landed at Roswell

Originally posted by Turiddu
Do we really need multiple topics on this stupid subject? There is nothing here that is new or groundbreaking. Some random nut told some other guy a fake story about aliens that somehow ended up at the FBI who made a report on it and then threw it away.

What can't you people understand about that?

nut huh ?? so everyone who sees stuff relating to ufo is a nut according to you ?? what about scientists and doctors and pilots who have said the same thing ?? they are nuts too huh ??

Originally posted by Perfectenemy
And again i wonder why would you need a confirmation from a "official" source? The evidence is all around us and you don´t want to see it but if a "official" document states the obvious you get all excited... Roswell is real and they captured a flying saucer. Everybody knows that but most people just don´t care enough. Either you are already convinced and you know the truth or you don´t. I don´t get why we have to prove anything that they exist? I don´t give a f*ck what someone believes or not as long they don´t try to convince me otherwise and vice versa.

Ps: A sceptic will never believe it and that´s a fact. It doesn´t matter how much proof you are throwing in their faces and to be honest it´s not worth the trouble. If the day comes i will just sit back open a six pack and enjoy the show.

My thoughts exactly. I couldn't agree more.

2nd line.

Originally posted by tarifa37
(if true). The article speaks for itself please visit the link to read the whole story .www.dailymail.co.uk...

A memo that appears to prove that aliens in flying saucers did land in New Mexico prior to 1950 has been published by the FBI.

The bureau has made thousands of files available in a new online resource called The Vault.

Among them is a memo to the director from Guy Hottel, the special agent in charge of the Washington field office in 1950.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...
The investigator gave the information to a special agent, he said. The FBI has censored both the agent and the investigator's identity.

Agent Hottel went on to write: 'They were described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter.


'Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall,' he stated.

The bodies were 'dressed in a metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed flyers and test pilots.'

He said that the informant, whose identity was censored in the memo, claimed the saucers had been found in New Mexico 'due to the fact that the Government has a very high-powered radar set-up in that area and it is believed the radar interferes with teh controlling mechanism of the saucers'.

He then stated that the special agent did not attempt to investigate further.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

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edit on 4/9/2011 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)

What the letter proves is that one agency of the Federal Government was going nuts trying to obtain what it believed might be evidence of a threat to the people of the United States. If there is evidence and it is secure in the prossesion of a rival agency we have the genisis of a struggle among agencies that is the biggest waste of time, money, and energy in our Federal Government.

The principal of three co equal branches for the protection of minority interests in legislative matters is wonderful for deciding what the law ought to be. Clandestine efforts to increase the reputation and budget of one agency over a rival is the misapplication of the notion when proper management would set clear guidelines for sorting out interagency turf battles.

This letter is nothing more than an expression of frustration on the part of the FBI on finding they are not getting complete access to the DOD notes about what may or may not have happened at Roswell, NM

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by DJKris
Honestly, where has this assumption come from that just because someone has this amazing technology that they much be this really advanced race who are so much better than us? It doesn't mean that at all, it simply means they've got a better mode of transport than us.

Its not an assumption. Its a fact. Once the next space race takes off, China will build a base on the moon. How do you feel about a communist country having that much control? Do you think the world will be safer with a communist dictator being able to shoot down all other nation's satellites and vehicles?

Personally I don't feel any any 1 country should have that level of control.

Originally posted by Section31
Obama cancelled NASA's human space exploration program. United States is not going anywhere within the next 40 years. China is going to be the first successful nation to leave Earth's orbit, and they are going to do it under the flag of power and control. In order for our species to blast full force into the unknown, serious social, technological, and environmental changes must take place. Do you want a dictator to represent our species?

All those emotions that you are feeling, after you read the above, are the reasons why only an advanced species can achieve full blown human space travel. Once China gets control over Earth's orbit, the United States, Canada, and UK will have no choice but to go to war.

Only an advanced social, technological, and environmental species can make it into deep space.

Anything else is fantasy.

edit on 12-4-2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

I honestly can't see how any of that makes it a fact that any ET's that may have visited here MUST be a considerably more advanced species than us other than for their technology. What I do see is some serious paranoia.

Originally posted by Turiddu
Do we really need multiple topics on this stupid subject? There is nothing here that is new or groundbreaking. Some random nut told some other guy a fake story about aliens that somehow ended up at the FBI who made a report on it and then threw it away.

What can't you people understand about that?

With all due respect, some of us have joined ATS more recently than others, this story is current even if it's cropped up before, surely us newer members are entitled to discuss this even if the rest of you have been over it before?

Ok, let me see if I have this straight.

You have an FBI agent telling in J. Edgar Hoover in an official document listed on the FBI's own site that an Air Force Investigator told him that the Air Force retrieved three occupied "flying saucers" knocked down possibly by a radar installation and that no further investigation would be forthcoming.

But this doesn't prove that the government has retrieved any flying saucers occupied by human-like three foot tall beings?

This doesn't prove anything?
What?

Originally posted by dethduck
Ok, let me see if I have this straight.

You have an FBI agent telling in J. Edgar Hoover in an official document listed on the FBI's own site that an Air Force Investigator told him

No, you don't have it straight. What the document says is an INFORMANT told an FBI agent that an Air Force investigator TOLD HIM about disks and bodies. That there was no follow up suggests the FBI agent didn't believe his informant.

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Ah, I missed that part. thanks.

Discovery.com has an article that discusses this memo and how it is linked to a known hoax in Aztec, New Mexico a year after the Roswell incident.

First of all, the supposedly "secret document" is instead a non-classified, ordinary office memo. This seems odd given the supposedly explosive nature of its contents; you might think that the FBI would do a better job of making sure that anyone in the office wouldn't have access to a document admitting that they are hiding three crashed saucers and nine alien bodies. The memo has also been known about for years.

Second, Roswell is not mentioned anywhere in the memo. It merely says the saucers were "recovered in New Mexico." Since the alleged saucer crash in Roswell, New Mexico, is the most famous in the world, it’s easy to assume that it’s referring to Roswell. However, none of the Roswell eyewitnesses described "flying saucers...circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter," nor nine, three-foot tall aliens wearing metallic cloth space suits.

Instead, the informant’s words match a description given in a proven UFO hoax in Aztec, New Mexico, a year after the supposed Roswell incident. David Thomas, a New Mexican physicist and UFO researcher, found exactly that story was spun by a con man named Silas Newton and an accomplice, who fabricated a UFO crash hoax as part of a scam. Newton was arrested in 1952 and convicted of fraud in connection with the UFO hoax.

The Hottel memo is merely an agent reporting a third-hand story he heard about a crashed saucer that turned out to be part of a hoax. It may be that, as they say, "the truth is out there," but sometimes it’s not that far out there.

news.discovery.com...

I think the whole UFO subject is being affected by an emotional state brought about by wishful thinking in some observers. Emotions can certainly change one's perception of any phenomena observed. I really think a lot of the UFO mania today is being perpetuated by our enhanced abilities to record and communicate our observations. We all have good inexpensive cameras to take pictures of things we believe to be UFOs, and the means to communicate our findings and opinions on electronic forums which can disseminate information at the speed-of-light. This abundance of data would certainly appear to most people to be a great surge in UFO evidence, and in a way it is, because now more evidence can actually be recorded. In another way the statistics relating to instances of UFO activity, experiences and sightings may have remained a constant throughout the years; it's only our new ability to propagate related words and images that gives the perception of increased numbers. This amount of evidence, real, fake or mistakes of perception can get some people in an emotional frenzy, especially when they want to see UFOs. i.e. desire+hope=emotion; emotion+document of questionable authenticity=irrefutable evidence of aliens and craft. So, stay cool, stay objective, observe and study the data and available information and consider their sources.

I thought some of the people that followed this thread might be interested to know that, at the risk of adding considerably to the time I fear I've already wasted in this thread and elsewhere attempting to battle misconceptions in the coverage of this document in various newspapers etc, I've spent a fair bit of time preparing a relatively lengthy item about it at the link below:

Debunked! The FBI alien bodies memo – A case study in the reinvention of the wheel

I hope some of you find it of interest...

truth will be known, as truth is truth and should be known...


big revelations incoming..

Originally posted by dethduck
Ok, let me see if I have this straight.

You have an FBI agent telling in J. Edgar Hoover in an official document listed on the FBI's own site that an Air Force Investigator told him that the Air Force retrieved three occupied "flying saucers" knocked down possibly by a radar installation and that no further investigation would be forthcoming.

But this doesn't prove that the government has retrieved any flying saucers occupied by human-like three foot tall beings?

This doesn't prove anything?
What?

It proves the FBI wants to be in control, that is certain. It does not mean they are after anything that really exists.

Any war vet that has seen bomb damage assessment reports knows they are serious communications and are at the same time frequently pure fiction. " Fighting positions destroyed" sounds like victory but it also can mean we just spent millions of dollars to drop bombs on holes in the ground and left bigger holes in the ground with no military consequence. Many times government communication is crafted to satisfy people up the line that the writer knows the importance of the directive and is trying to comply with orders. The FBI letter seems nothing more that exactly that.

reply to post by tarifa37
Better get ready, The Good Doctor preparing the Public what to expect and not to fear them. All the debunkers are going to have to find something else to make to inflate their egos with. There is even one on ATS communicating in Binary, The last message he sent me on another thread, was they are now taking all of their sick and the hybrids bact to their home and to let me know they are all around me.

Now they would not even be talking about this on the News, if they didn't exist. All the News Media are not making jokes, giggling, and being condesending anymore, When talking about them



www.youtube.com...

It's a memo about a hoax that happened in New Mexico some time after the Roswell incident. The hoax'ster got some prison time if I remember correctly.

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This is apparently fake, i know i posted something similar and got shouted down and called basicaly an idiot because it had BOGUS writeen all over it, but i argued the fact if it was leaked or ment as a dis information document ofcorse they would write BOGUS on it.

The whole thing in a nut-shell, an "informant" told another fbi guy about the so-called crash. Get it now guys,an "informant." Who here understands why an informant is an informant? Very good share it with the rest of the class, and lets go get coffee and move on. Bottom line, nothing but rumors, of rumors, of more rumors. People hoping for book deals, movie deals, or a the nobel peace prize from telling folk lore Roswell stories. Its time to move on folks!

Originally posted by Tahnya86
reply to post by tarifa37

 

This is apparently fake, i know i posted something similar and got shouted down and called basicaly an idiot because it had BOGUS writeen all over it,

This is NOT a faked document (unlike the MJ-12 documents which have "BOGUS" written on them). This is a GENUINE document produced by an FBI agent, although it relates to a hoax investigated by the Air Force. I've written about the FBI, and the Air Force investigation, at:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by sitchin

Originally posted by boncho

Originally posted by Perfectenemy
reply to post by sitchin

 

The LA incident comes in mind and wasn´t around that time a crash in Russia too? You are really surprised about the fact that they captured more than one disc? UFOs were around since the beginning of time. I bet there are literally hundreds of crashed saucers buried under our feets or even deep down in the ocean.

edit on 9-4-2011 by Perfectenemy because: (no reason given)

The memo was hearsay, there is nothing in it to verify that discs crashed or if there were more than one disc in claimed crash.....

that may be true ..but the news paper reporting it just happens to be one of the biggest in the uk ..

maybe BUT its the daily mail. Also well known for publishing complete utter bull..it. For our US cousins:

Untrustworty : daily mail, daily mirror, star , sun
Trustworthy : Guardian, Telegraph, express, Independant, times
Expectionally trustworthy : Financial Times

NB this is no way justifies any political bias by any of the above, FT excepted since it has none in the news section.

Bottom line is the FBI took the Roswell case serious enough that they themselves investigated it.MEMO proves they investigated the case and this is what someone told them had happened in the Memo.

Well, why would they release a document like that. The media would have seen it and been all over it by now.