"Just Released" The memo that 'proves aliens landed at Roswell

Originally posted by cripmeister
reply to post by tarifa37

 

edit to add: looks like the Sun and Telegraph came to their senses and retracted the articles.

edit on 11-4-2011 by cripmeister because: (no reason given)

Yeah The Sun do seem to have, but I'm interested to know what you're implying with the facepalm and why you say "came to their sense" what point were you actually trying to make?

reply to post by DJKris


Still on The Sun's website...

The Sun

share this with friends and family,

let's not let this get swept under the rug by threads that are not of high consciousness or of our highest good

still on the telegraph site too..

www.telegraph.co.uk...

this does seem to be disclosure

This letter which has been around a long time, is not "disclosure."

We don't even know if this letter was from a legitimate source, or just some schmuck who wrote the FBI.

Originally posted by DJKris

Originally posted by cripmeister
reply to post by tarifa37

 

edit to add: looks like the Sun and Telegraph came to their senses and retracted the articles.

edit on 11-4-2011 by cripmeister because: (no reason given)

Yeah The Sun do seem to have, but I'm interested to know what you're implying with the facepalm and why you say "came to their sense" what point were you actually trying to make?

I made an edit to my post. I thought perhaps they did some checking of the facts, maybe they found out that the memo was made public in 1977 and that it proves nothing about aliens in Roswell. I was wrong since it's up on the Telegraph again, these rags never learn I guess

Somewhere in the newly released FBI's pdf file on Roswell and other stuff, they have inked it over with the word bogus. There is a small mystery though in that, a member here was able to know at least two years ago, that it was considered bogus by the FBI. It would also seem then that The FBI were only in the business of evaluating the documents as to their authenticity, when the documents came into their possession, and not as though they were old long-held FBI files.

Originally posted by smurfy
Somewhere in the newly released FBI's pdf file on Roswell and other stuff, they have inked it over with the word bogus. There is a small mystery though in that, a member here was able to know at least two years ago, that it was considered bogus by the FBI.

No mystery - the FBI released its UFO documents in the 1970s and they have been discussed in quite a few UFO books and in various documentaries.

The MJ-12 documents labelled "bogus" by the FBI have been available for years and the labelling of those documents as "bogus" has been referred to in several books.


In short, the current media coverage of the release of "new" documents and "new" UFO footage is a pile of nonsense (as I've been trying to point on various relevant threads for the last few days...).

All the investigations into the content of these FBI documents since they were released in 1977 have almost completely been ignored in the various media discussions (and on ATS). It does raise the question - once again - whether it is worth bothering spending any time on ufo research.

All the best,

Isaac

Originally posted by IsaacKoi

Originally posted by smurfy
Somewhere in the newly released FBI's pdf file on Roswell and other stuff, they have inked it over with the word bogus. There is a small mystery though in that, a member here was able to know at least two years ago, that it was considered bogus by the FBI.

No mystery - the FBI released its UFO documents in the 1970s and they have been discussed in quite a few UFO books and in various documentaries.

The MJ-12 documents labelled "bogus" by the FBI have been available for years and the labelling of those documents as "bogus" has been referred to in several books.


All the best,

Isaac

edit on 11-4-2011 by IsaacKoi because: (no reason given)

I agree. It's also a pity since the member I referred to was asked to provide proof of what he was saying ie; Bogus, by a moderator here at ATS. That particular thread was started by another Mod, this is the link and the fun starts on the first page,


www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's quite clear that this is a case of chagrin, and not just a case of no-linking proof, when you see how much work went into the original post.

Space.com: FBI's UFO File: Proof of Roswell?

This document has actually been discussed in UFO circles since the late 1990s, and a close reading reveals that agent Hottel is not endorsing or verifying any of the information presented in the memo; he's merely reporting what an Air Force investigator said that someone else told him about the crashed saucers. It's a third-hand report of a story.

Wow! I can't believe people buy into this stuff. When this first popped up on the boards, I made the statement that the memo sounded like one of those 'friend of a friend' stories. Well, I was right.

Memo as evidence...

Originally posted by tarifa37

"According to Mr. ______'s informant...."

I beleive that the radar interference could be valid but thats only my opinion

reply to post by SaturnFX


Ok you made your point, that was a stupid thing to say.

I just think as a person who is skeptical about everything, that being skeptical about aliens is like being skeptical about yourself, I mean do you need evidence to suggest your real? And from whom would you need it?

I understand wanting evidence to believe in it, but I just don't have much expectations that the evidence everyone is looking for will not be coming any time soon. People expect them to just land and be like hi,where the aliens, weve been here for awhile now. And I just don't think that is going to happen.

I mean think of it, if your an alien being all advanced in everything, what benefits would you have from talking to a civilization of primates? When you are at the zoo, do you try and talk to the monkeys because someday they might be able to talk back? No, you just observe and stay as quiet as possible, sounds believable to me.

Originally posted by Quasar_La-Zar
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I mean think of it, if your an alien being all advanced in everything, what benefits would you have from talking to a civilization of primates? When you are at the zoo, do you try and talk to the monkeys because someday they might be able to talk back? No, you just observe and stay as quiet as possible, sounds believable to me.

Click: My previous reply on this very exact subject.

Many people think our species is at the center of the universe, and we are god's gift to all other species that have been created. Its a BIG mistake to think that humanity is tremendously important; thus, aliens from all over the galaxy will benefit from our stupidity. Its rather sad.

Sure, aliens exist out in the great unknown, but I don't think we are important enough to get noticed. Not yet anyway.

When it comes to the grand scheme of things, we are still barely out of our infancy. We are an extremely-extremely primitive species. If you pay attention to the news as of lately, we may have digressed in certain social aspects.

Before we can even consider the possibility of meeting aliens, there are social, religious, technological, and environmental milestones to deal with. We as a species are extremely paranoid about each other, and that one specific conundrum alone would keep any external species away.

As for the main subject at hand, Space.com has explained and debunked this hoax.
CLICK HERE FOR DETAILS

Honestly, where has this assumption come from that just because someone has this amazing technology that they much be this really advanced race who are so much better than us? It doesn't mean that at all, it simply means they've got a better mode of transport than us.

Did only read the first post so i guess sn already said: its not a memo proving anything. its an agent quoting a witness. Means. doing what all references to that incident do.

Originally posted by DJKris
Honestly, where has this assumption come from that just because someone has this amazing technology that they much be this really advanced race who are so much better than us? It doesn't mean that at all, it simply means they've got a better mode of transport than us.

Its not an assumption. Its a fact. Once the next space race takes off, China will build a base on the moon. How do you feel about a communist country having that much control? Do you think the world will be safer with a communist dictator being able to shoot down all other nation's satellites and vehicles?

Obama cancelled NASA's human space exploration program. United States is not going anywhere within the next 40 years. China is going to be the first successful nation to leave Earth's orbit, and they are going to do it under the flag of power and control. In order for our species to blast full force into the unknown, serious social, technological, and environmental changes must take place. Do you want a dictator to represent our species?

All those emotions that you are feeling, after you read the above, are the reasons why only an advanced species can achieve full blown human space travel. Once China gets control over Earth's orbit, the United States, Canada, and UK will have no choice but to go to war.

Only an advanced social, technological, and environmental species can make it into deep space.

Anything else is fantasy.

I spent some time this morning in the vault.. and all I can say is it's a treasure chest of information. The problem is that the rewarding info is tidbits here and there, like collecting gold between dirt. Page 8 of Ufo1 document is rather astounding, about the lokas and talas.

I guess CNN holding National Press Club interviews on UFO's and they are suppose to do it this year on Alien abductions still is not understood by alot of skepetics that this phenomenon is being taken seriously.Which means it is gaining credibilty because some of the cases are real.

People do not use common sense..If this is being studied by the FBI.Then it means it is credible and they study the cases.

Do we really need multiple topics on this stupid subject? There is nothing here that is new or groundbreaking. Some random nut told some other guy a fake story about aliens that somehow ended up at the FBI who made a report on it and then threw it away.

What can't you people understand about that?