It's time for mankind to break his Earthly bonds. Commercialise space and let NASA die!

reply to post by BritofTexas


I want a crater named after me.
Someplace horribly scarred and crusty

It's ok with me if NASA Human Space Flight is shut down. It's not like we would be loosing Star Trek. NASA won't even attempt to build a zero-mass field-propelled flying saucer (or requisition a DoD TR-3B) for air and space flights.

Considering humanities drive to explore and the fact that the surface of the earth has been for the most part explored, next on our plate will be space. If anything could draw humanity together I feel that it would be space exploration. And it's not like we humans haven't undergone hardships in our quest to explore, we use to navigate ships with maps claiming "here be dragons" and spend months on ships sailing to new lands. Space exploration would be difficult and dangerous but when has anything of that nature stopped us before?

Mankind has already broken its earthly bond. Now, there is some conjecture about the true extent of it when talking of the moon landings, but that is for another time. As long as there are astronauts heading into earth's orbit or spending time on the International Space Station, the chains of earth have been broken. To what extent? That is up to governments and private enterprise to mull over in the future. With the economy in the pits as result of the meltdown in 2008, we have seen calls to slash budgets to the space program in the US and I am fairly certain other governments are following suit. As far as privatization goes, I am all for it. However, when it comes to human death, or significant accidents that would arise, it seems the liability costs would be enormous? Would it be in a corporation's best interest to shoulder that cost?

We know what private enterprise is capable of with all the natural disasters caused by them. Most recently the BP oil spill, and the Fukushima incident in Japan. Now, they are going to be doing business in space where dangers abound, and is one of the harshest environments known to man? As far as I am concerned, I have reservations about private corporations doing business with space travel and exploration, because any business will do its utmost to make as much money as possible. Often times, safety and the general well being of the public is put on the back burner.

Some talk of NASA in a bad light because of the extensive costs, and the apparent cloak-and-dagger approach to releasing information. That is certainly something to debate. However, since the departments inception the space program has been largely safe. There was Apollo 13, and the shuttle disasters, and maybe more they have been tight lipped about because of national security implications. There may be more, but as far as I know, it seems safe. I just don't want to see some corporation mucking things up as they have in he past. I am split down the middle about how I feel about the future of space exploration, or who leads the way. One thing is for certain, there is so much more that is left to be discovered up there, and it would be stupid to sit on our hands because of the financial cost involved. Great thread, Slay!

reply to post by SLAYER69


the future is out there always has been always will be the new possibilities that exist out there new alloys,new technology,new medicines and the billions that can be made out there.

we all know he3 exists on the lunar surface the ideal fuel for fusion reactors clean renewable somewhat and at the fraction of what it takes in natural resources on the earth. $5 million a gram for he3 has the potential for a trillion dollar industry just think of all the new jobs that it would create and thats just for one thing outer space offers.

privatization of space is a must of this country is going to succeed out there with nasa and us space exploration all but dead now we seriously need another alternative.

and much like what the wright brothers did for aviation we need their kind leading the way for the commericalization of space.

with any business whoever takes the risk should get rewarded let the private companies take all the risk and then create business environment do the rest.

like with any business if you cant make money on it it is doomed to fail and this is why nasa has been a total failure they have the technology but they cant make any money off it.

its high time we get back out there and do what americans use to do lead the way

I say anyone who thinks it all that important to waste so many resources to fly into space ought to stay there. Clearly they don't appreciate the wonders of the planet we currently inhabit. Good riddance. I'm happy seeing the universe in a grain of sad. And it requires no burning of finite resources.

Fully agree with your premise, and I don't understand why nothing ever makes it from the drawing board. I would guess that any space faring is hella expensive, so a big barrier to the private efforts(unless you're a billionaire) would be how can any profit be made? I know, I hate to bring up that aspect, but when it comes to business, that is the bottom line, for the most part. To gather funding for such space endeavors, someone is going to want a return. Resources on the moon sounds practical for business adventures. I just hope we don't carry our marketing crap into space, as in billboards on the moon or weightless banners floating all around.
Maybe some philanthropic groups can get involved, with the only motivation being to better humanity and begin moving out into the last frontier. I hope so....

An interesting relative site:Cosmic Frontier

Peace,
spec

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


i say anyone who doesnt want to get into space and feed the world natural resource hunger is crazy

think about it no more coal plants no more waste dumps no more damage done to the earth

hell getting into space is a treehuggers dream they finally get to do what they all cant do right now

save the planet

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

i say anyone who doesnt want to get into space and feed the world natural resource hunger is crazy

think about it no more coal plants no more waste dumps no more damage done to the earth

hell getting into space is a treehuggers dream they finally get to do what they all cant do right now

save the planet

What? On what are you basing this supposed energy-free utopia?

Originally posted by BlackPoison94
Now look at Jupiter, Saturn...I'm not going anywhere near there

How about Neptune? I hear they have diamonds the size of a bus up there

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


where did you get that i said energy free? nothing is the country ever has been or ever will be free.

i mentioned he3 helium the main component for fusion reactors and hello? fusion is clean.

cleaner than any existing fossil fuels we currently use so lets get this straight for the reading impaired

cleaner energy sources means energy that doesnt harm the planet.

a tree huggers dream

Originally posted by SLAYER69
I'd go colonize Mars in a heartbeat

I hear they have some openings in the Mines I'll see if I can hook you up

Originally posted by PixelDuster

We can do this... I say "Go for it!"
Wonder if it's too late to sign up...

No... but you need connections. Also consider it's the PTB and the Elite that are going to be your companions

And you will need to pick up one of these babies; the Mars1 Humvee

The more I've learnt about space, the more I doubt we'll go past LEO for quite some time.

Take for example, the ISS, all it takes is a piece of debris no bigger than a marble to be on the right trajectory and it will be destroyed, the astronauts staying on board have had to evacuate to a Soyuz capsule just in case on a fairly regular basis. This debris often is from us which presents another issue and one someone mentioned earlier about having all our crap in space, there is already too much up there, it's a bloody mine field!

I think Zorgon did a thread on space garbage, or a post and if you ask me, we're pretty flippant about the whole thing.

So once we get past our own debris, we have to worry about things like asteroids, cosmic particles, solar radiation, cosmic radiation, and all sorts of nasties, space isn't some sort of empty vacuum I'm afraid to say.

So, all this leads to some sort of shielding, before we can have space hotels or moon colonies we need to build them so they are able to protect themselves from these things. I think this is the next big hurdle, we have the propulsion tech, we have the ability to be self sustainable but we can't fully protect ourselves from pace itself yet.

The second problem is money and the entire planet contributing together, already mentioned I know but two things come to mind here...

Star Trek and what ATSers would call the NWO.

Firstly, taking a leaf out of Gene Roddenberry's vision for space is probably the best way to go about it, when you break it down, the guy had the right idea.

Namely, a one world government.

Now, many here believe this is being put in place as we speak and that it's completely evil.

If the mass human exodus to space is to happen, we'll need this one world government.

Catch 22!!

Anyway, just throwing what's in my head down, there's a whole not more obviously.

It will be a tough ask whatever we do!

Originally posted by epsilon69
The radiation levels in space will also give us problems. Even low levels of radiation combined with weakened bones from low gravity could cause easily broken and fractured bones. Solar flares can come out of no where and if we were say on a moon base and a solar flare hit us it could kill everyone onboard with no warning.

Puppy Poop... NASA had shields already in 1964, where do you thing Gene got his ideas from?

Contract NASw-502 Final Report Rev. 31 Jan. 1964

Space Sciences Laboratory
Missile and Space Division
GENERAL ELECTRIC COMPANY
Philadelphia, Pa.

Final Report
Contract NASw - 5 0 2
Period Covered: 1 Sept. 1962 - 31 Aug. 1963
www.abovetopsecret.com...

If ya hang around Earth much longer I guarantee you will get more radiation from the meltdowns at Fukushima. #1 plant spiked last night at 100 millisieverts.

Milk anyone?

Originally posted by neo96

i mentioned he3 helium the main component for fusion reactors and hello? fusion is clean.

Where did you mention that? not in the post i was responding to.

there, you said "think about it no more coal plants no more waste dumps no more damage done to the earth "

reply to post by Chadwickus


I generally agree with your post there, except for one key point.

A world government is working to put itself in place, and it is massively corrupt. I agree with that.
We do need one world government to efficiently move out into space. I agree with that.
We need a world government formed by the people operating in the best interests of the people, not the one currently attempting to seize control. No catch-22.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


ov vey my initial post in this thread.

second line

reply to post by SLAYER69


Great thread.

Excellent information.

Terrible idea.

America in general, let alone the rest of the world, is already far too commercialized.

On top of this nonsense we as a society as consumer-oriented towards obligatry.

Meaning, people already avoid politics, and catching corruption right under their noses now.

Due to the ignorant "Keeping Up With the Joneses" crap in society.

Who has the better car?

Who has the bigger house?

Who's job is the best?

Who the Hell God-damned cares?!?

On the other hand I trust Government absolutely zero.

I know far, far too many of their deep, dark, and evil secrets due to research.

I would say possibly co-opting partial commercialization of space with Government mixed in it.

And let only the people, the average citizens, the non-military, the ones paying for flights into space for vacations, evacuations, and or long-term trips to colonize other planets, control every single factor, by choice not by corporate decision of the following :

1) Price of flights - Within reason.

2) Destination - Within reason.

3) Advertising - Within reason.

I am tired of letting anyone dictate what our society does or does not do according to corporate or Government wishes, and it is high time that both corporations and the World Government took their damn hands off of every element of the control mechanisms of society.

And I am done listening to corporations and Government altogether.

Great thread SALYER69, great thread indeed, and thanks for the invite.

reply to post by SLAYER69


we don't belong in space, nor do we deserve to inhabit outer space. we can't even do earth right...everything we touch dies. i think we should work on bettering our current situation before we go and make problems elsewhere.