Please take this advice: Be careful what you tell others.

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Farming will be a key roll in everyday life.

So trapping small game and keeping it alive is key. Trapping should come easy, just practice when you can.

You can look up traps online, it is basically a figure 4 deadfall trap. Althought don't use a dead fall, use a box with a secured weight on the box. Then it is just a matter of keeping the animal somewhere in your dwelling and feeding it what you have. Set as many traps as you can and check them daily. And make a small fence for the animals to stay in to raise.

Practice trapping, cause it will take a little time to get the hang of it. It is what I will be doing if anything horrible happens.

Pending where you live there should be enough small game to catch. I recommend checking what local wild life you have, it may save your life.

I live in an area where I know I can find rabbits, squirrels and Quails.

Probably the #1 rule when prepping !

If you are going to tell anyone you had better be willing to share with that person and anyone else they bring along.

Or else be willing to force them away at gun point or shoot them.

NEVER tell anyone about your stored items if you want to keep them.

I agree with you, friend. Not only does it open you up to ridicule, it opens you up to being the target of if the SHTF and they know you're more prepared. I used to know a girl who told me if anything happened she'd show up on my door step. Was she invited? Nooo, and if the SHTF and I let her in for the pity's sake of her 2 kids, she'd probably a)steal what I had or b) complain about what I had and how it wasn't the right brand/flavor, etc.
Be careful who you trust, be careful who you warn, and it goes for advice as well...I always let the other person spill the beans before I know how much trust they should get from me. I still keep my details less than theirs, just in case.

Id like to thank the OP for bringing something to our attention which really should be common sense. Ive decided to start stockpiling basics in a few weeks time, if nothing happens then at least ive got plenty of groceries, i was going to keep them in a spare bedroom, but the OP has made me think, my children will know about them and possibly talk to people. I have a place the kids would never think of looking, and theyre going there. Thanks.

Originally posted by Ex
That is some very worthy advice.
I must admit though I haven't started and will have to provide
for 10 people and a newborn.
I need some advise on what are the top three things I will need
to make it through say, three days of chaos???
Thanks in advance !

1)shelter/warmth
2)water
3)food
4) the will and the means to maintain possession of the above.
5) Information

I give you the the survival priority "rule of threes"( rule of thumb):
you can go 3 seconds without thinking;
3 minutes without oxygen;
3 hours exposure to extremely hostile environments;
3 days without water;
3 weeks without food;( "survive"; not perform hard labor)

And yes last time this came up I was pointedly reminded nepalese yogis
merely think"warm" and survive -20 f temps in a single layer:however; Iam not a "yogi"

Though I believe that this good advice in a sense, I would like to remind some that someone can take your food, but not the roots. I happen to believe that me having the ability to grow food, and have supplies and survival sense, makes me an asset. Where others may come for advice, and yes even some food if needed.

Having survival skills also means to have more than enough.... and then some. If someone was to take my food from my garden, I have seeds. Being a true survivalist also means to plan ahead and help others to help themselves. There are things in my garden, but also other things that I have hidden and growing amongst other plants and trees, that unless you knew it was there you would never think to look.

We base our fears, and things we see in movies and try to add them to real life. That is not always the case. Many people will be scared, and if you took my food today, will there be any left tomorrow? I do not fear that someone with a gun will see a head of lettuce growing in my garden and shoot me for it. I do fear others starting to shoot first and ask questions later, and those are the ones with extra.

Peace, NRE.

"opsec" or operational security is the military description of useful paranoia ( awareness).
Little bits of information are easily assembled into a relatively dangerous picture. Inviting the neighbors to the retreat?. make sure they know its the two neighbors and their two kidsonly .best not to tell kids anything.So its not their two kid's friends and their parents.
The more people who know the more people will know.Who knows what circumstances someone who heard you bragging at the firing range may run into;
"Yo' Jimmy " give us some food or I'll put a bullet in your daughter's ear..
Uh I don't have Any food"
C'mon man ; you must know somewhere we can get some?"

" well; yeah there's this "survivalist guy." I shoot with sometimes ..Now put the gun down and just go away"

reply to post by 46ACE


I have to say that is a very scary scenario that you put there, sort of like a very violent movie scene. Id like to ask, how long before something this radical can actually happen? A few days? A week? A month? Before many of the scenarios are even possible we would have martial law, and many, many people arrested or roaming, looking for a stable place to be.

When even the movies has a scene like that there is no law, there's only about 5 people in a 10-20 mile radius, and oh yeah, its a movie, so that doesn't count. If and only if some of us that are trying to survive due to a very real threat on our lives and food source, I am sure that many would have something figured out before they had to actually threaten the lives of children in order to get some food.

Peace, NRE.

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
Though I believe that this good advice in a sense, I would like to remind some that someone can take your food, but not the roots. I happen to believe that me having the ability to grow food, and have supplies and survival sense, makes me an asset. Where others may come for advice, and yes even some food if needed.

Having survival skills also means to have more than enough.... and then some. If someone was to take my food from my garden, I have seeds. Being a true survivalist also means to plan ahead and help others to help themselves. There are things in my garden, but also other things that I have hidden and growing amongst other plants and trees, that unless you knew it was there you would never think to look.

We base our fears, and things we see in movies and try to add them to real life. That is not always the case. Many people will be scared, and if you took my food today, will there be any left tomorrow? I do not fear that someone with a gun will see a head of lettuce growing in my garden and shoot me for it. I do fear others starting to shoot first and ask questions later, and those are the ones with extra.

Peace, NRE.

Hi: I agree with being an asset( wealso purposely set some extra aside; but in a true "survival" situation youare in danger after 3 days without water; 3 weeks without food : how LONG and how much energy does it take to grow a fresh crop of edibles? There is an element of "immediacy"

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
reply to post by 46ACE

 

I have to say that is a very scary scenario that you put there, sort of like a very violent movie scene. Id like to ask, how long before something this radical can actually happen? A few days? A week? A month? Before many of the scenarios are even possible we would have martial law, and many, many people arrested or roaming, looking for a stable place to be.

When even the movies has a scene like that there is no law, there's only about 5 people in a 10-20 mile radius, and oh yeah, its a movie, so that doesn't count. If and only if some of us that are trying to survive due to a very real threat on our lives and food source, I am sure that many would have something figured out before they had to actually threaten the lives of children in order to get some food.

Peace, NRE.

I painted A brutal; grisly overly dramatic picture; Purposely to illustrate

someone who may have less invested in your safety than you do ( whom you would normally trust) could be pressed to turn little bits of seemingly innocuous information against you and yours without intending to hurt you...

Originally posted by 46ACE

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
Though I believe that this good advice in a sense, I would like to remind some that someone can take your food, but not the roots. I happen to believe that me having the ability to grow food, and have supplies and survival sense, makes me an asset. Where others may come for advice, and yes even some food if needed.

Having survival skills also means to have more than enough.... and then some. If someone was to take my food from my garden, I have seeds. Being a true survivalist also means to plan ahead and help others to help themselves. There are things in my garden, but also other things that I have hidden and growing amongst other plants and trees, that unless you knew it was there you would never think to look.

We base our fears, and things we see in movies and try to add them to real life. That is not always the case. Many people will be scared, and if you took my food today, will there be any left tomorrow? I do not fear that someone with a gun will see a head of lettuce growing in my garden and shoot me for it. I do fear others starting to shoot first and ask questions later, and those are the ones with extra.

Peace, NRE.

Hi: I agree with being an asset( wealso purposely set some extra aside; but in a true "survival" situation youare in danger after 3 days without water; 3 weeks without food : how LONG and how much energy does it take to grow a fresh crop of edibles? There is an element of "immediacy"

edit on 6-4-2011 by 46ACE because: (no reason given)

That is why I also pointed out that I have other edibles growing amongst other things, instead in a very pretty and visible area. Things that I do not have to take care of as much, and that are scattered.

Peace, NRE.

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There is a big difference between hungry and scared and angry and looting
I would like to think that all the people that survive what ever is to come can band together as brothers and mend a broken world as one people - But surely you know as well as I do that it simply is not going to be like that.
I am more than willing to feed a hungry person just as much as I am willing to dispatch a dangerous one
Sorry - Just the way it has to be

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I have to agree with you 100%. I don't post in the Survival forum often, but I do read here a lot. I sometimes wonder if it's even really safe to post a survival plan on here. If TPTB wanted to get info, they could. It would be an easy way to figure out who has the stockpiles of weapons, ammo, etc.

I understand the need to share info to help others... maybe I'm just paranoid. That's very likely. After all, I do read on ATS a whole big bunch.

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Havok,

Very good post and I definantly agree. I do talk about surving but not about anything I have. I also read some very good advice about making sure you do not have stockpiles of weapons that can be taken as well. That is a large mark of being targeted by others.

Ainge

Same deal if people find out you have a lot of money. Suddenly you'll have way too many friends for comfort. I'm so sick of people trying to interrogate me about earthquakes etc once they find out I work in oceanography, to the point where I actually refuse point black to discuss it. I learned the hard way to keep myself to myself.

If anyone asks me about survivalism, well, I say that I know how to hunt, and fish, and gather native plants for food. Will I teach them? Nope. I'm not afraid to be blunt.

I once knew a guy who did brag about his survivalist preparations, and needless to say he was constantly plagued by people trying to take advantage of his resources. My sympathy was non-existant though. Part of survivalism is protecting yourself from other people, after all.

This is GREAT advice. My husband has mentioned to a few people about our preparedness, and I was like...WHAT? I had to tell him. "I know your proud of us, but you can't keep telling people about this"

I guess some people just don't think that way. Thanks

I blend in today society, so for me it's a habit to NOT express any of my real opinions as well as interests (survival and conspiracy theory) BUT when SHTF or Disclosure happen they'll know who's the man.

Oh, no kidding! This happened to me. . .where I was joking and telling other community members about how I escaped a program where I was here from the future to do things to manipulate the political future. Next thing I know, my "good friend" told the FBI, who then took me into temporary custody, and now I've been sent back here, in 2011.

Now I'm back here in this caveman world!!!

I agree with you post but I have learned to take things a step further. I was thinking that having a safe place is a good idea, but having multiple safe places is even better. I have stated before that the problem with stockpiling goods is that when and if you need to make a run for it for any reason, it would be nearly impossible to take what you needed except for the basics. What I have done is create many places my wife and I could go if we need to. You could walk right past them and never see them...and I know this because it happens all the time.

The place I live is easy for me to have multiple hideouts. I am still in process of making things liveable and safe for us. I would hope many ATS members would do the same. Try to come up with evacuation plans that involve more than 3 places, and dont make your places predictable. For example dont place them in a straight line on a map away from each other. Change the elevations, terrain, and landscaping. Blend into the environment and try not to let your place stick out. Use nature as your natural camouflage.. All the best!

Good advice BUT

no matter how secretive you are, the truth is there will be more unprepared people than survivalists

there will be gangs roaming and going from homes to homes, no matter if you told anyone about your stash

unless you live out of view with a well hidden stock, it doesn't really matter, if they can't find food they will just resort to cannibalism.

The Road comes to mind, great film for survivalists to watch