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911 Survivor Won't Back Down

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posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by Yankee451

Originally posted by hooper


Huh?


Name me one of these glaring contradictions in the "official explanation". Remember now, you must stick to facts included in the "official explanation", not some conspirafact that some wanna be super sleuth made up.


You mean like fabricating a sister who witnessed jets hitting the towers?


Believe what you will - I know that your world view demands you dismiss anything that may violate your comfort zone. But you know that I am not alone, plenty of folks out there that know people who were witnesses that day, they just have no interest in talking to people like you and who could blame them.



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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While I admire this gentleman's "quest for the truth"


It's a woman.



I am curious if he and/or anybody else could tell me what I witnessed with my own two eyes that morning?


It's a woman. Why don't you tell us what you saw, Eagle Eyes.



I laugh every time I read ignorant internet dribble about how a plane didn't hit such and such, or how a building couldn't come down the way it did, parroted over and over by fools who can hardly do math. It makes me weep for the future of our country.


"Our" country is run by criminals, always has been. You should weep for shame for trying to maintain the status quo.



I do, however, believe that 911 could have been prevented and was "allowed" to happen, but I think through ignorance and government incompetence, not through some multi-tiered and impossible to control conspiracy theory put forth by internet tin foil hat morons who don't understand how reality works.


You believe the "incompetent" angle, why? Is it easier on your tender "patriotic" sensibilities?

Since you're lumping we doubters together, can you be more specific as to which "conspiracy theory" this particular "Internet tin foil hat moron" is misunderstanding?




I was there at the Pentagon and and also lost a co-worker in the second plane strike in NY. I'm past getting all emotional about it over the internet, as the more I read the more I realize how idiotic the internet conspiracy crowd can be.


That's funny, because the more I read the more I realize how desperate the true believers are to fabricate eye witness tales. You make the third one I've run into in as many months. Why should I not consider you a cheap fraud?



The only thing that bothers me is that you all are allowed to vote, lol.


With 10,000 comedians out of work in this economy, the government is scraping the barrel now. Tell me, do you really believe voting between a choice of criminals will change something substantial?




Yes, 911 was crap. It could have been prevented.


It could have been prevented if we had identified the real enemy of the people...hint, it's not the same as the enemy of "our country".



If the tin foil hat crowd actually focused on the important details maybe we would be able to prevent the next 911.


What are the important details pray tell? I'm betting heightened security, random road blocks, locked down borders, and of course, invading more nations friendly to al Qaeda?



If anyone here works with the government, on any level, then you know what I am talking about. The rest of you are nothing more than internet desk jockeys filled with the ignorance you found online. Sad.


I can smell your desperation from here. You know the 911 myth is failing fast...the story is so weak even barnyard animals know its a lie. What's sad is meeting someone who wants to keep the lie alive. Are you vested in war bonds or something?



I will not answer any questions that are put forth from a moronic point of view,


Irony



and from anybody who doesn't have a basic command of reason.


Well, that leaves me out...anyone else out there who's NOT a moron and can be deemed worthy enough to ask this guy a question?

Anyone?
edit on 6-4-2011 by Yankee451 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by hooper


Believe what you will - I know that your world view demands you dismiss anything that may violate your comfort zone. But you know that I am not alone, plenty of folks out there that know people who were witnesses that day, they just have no interest in talking to people like you and who could blame them.



You had been arguing about KE and what not for days before you were finally reduced to admitting the only reason you believed a jet hit the towers is because you saw it on the TeeVee; and that was when you said your sister witnessed it.

Doesn't that sound like the move of a desperate man, to make up a sister as an eyewitness?

Aside from not leading with that story, did you at least describe in detail what she saw, why she was there, where she was when they collapsed...anything like that? See why I doubt you?



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Anyone who looks at a photo of the sight will realize that there was no wreckage of an aircraft at the Pentagon.There never was a plane. Simply look at any photo available. Light metal passenger jets leave a lot behind when they impact, more than "a brick wall", Not one engine, not one seat, not one piece of sheet metel, no insulation, nothing.
edit on 6-4-2011 by MissingRonnieR because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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You had been arguing about KE

KE?

and what not for days before you were finally reduced to admitting the only reason you believed a jet hit the towers is because you saw it on the TeeVee; and that was when you said your sister witnessed it.

If that view makes you comfortable, go ahead and get comfortable. The point I brought to the discussion was simple - plenty of people out there have close friends, relatives, etc. that were eye witnesses to the tragedy, on site, that morning. Now according to you they are all liars. Not just my sister, all of them.

Doesn't that sound like the move of a desperate man, to make up a sister as an eyewitness?

Not quite as desparate as dismissing hundreds of known witnesses by either denying they exist or implying they are lying. Now thats desparate.

Aside from not leading with that story, did you at least describe in detail what she saw, why she was there, where she was when they collapsed...anything like that? See why I doubt you?

Yes I have. And I really don't care if you doubt me, thats irrelevant, you doubt everyone.



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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Not quite as desparate as dismissing hundreds of known witnesses by either denying they exist or implying they are lying. Now thats desparate.


The fact is in order to believe in the OS one MUST dismiss hundreds of credible eyewitness account that contradicts the OS.
There were plenty of credible eyewitnesses such as NYC Firemen NYC Police officer’s office workers and many other professionals that were at the Pentagon and the WTC that witness no plane wreckage and explosions and flashes going around the WTC as they were coming down. Are you going to say all these eyewitnesses are liars to?


Eyewitness Accounts
Eyewitnesses Recalled Explosions, No Alarms or Sprinklers


The collapses of the Twin Towers were witnessed firsthand by scores of people, most of them emergency responders. The majority of those accounts have been suppressed by the state for years. In August of 2005, the New York Times published the single largest and most authoritative body of eyewitness evidence yet assembled, [color=gold]as a result of winning a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. 1 Another body of evidence, which we have yet to examine, is a set of recordings of calls processed by the 911 system on the day of 9/11/01 and released in 2006.

911research.wtc7.net...


The chief of safety of the fire department of New York City told me he received word of the possibility of a secondary device: that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said that there was another explosion which took place and according to his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted within the building.



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 08:45 PM
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The fact is in order to believe in the OS one MUST dismiss hundreds of credible eyewitness account that contradicts the OS.

Not really.

There were plenty of credible eyewitnesses such as NYC Firemen NYC Police officer’s office workers and many other professionals that were at the Pentagon

Name and quote please?

and the WTC that witness no plane wreckage


So? No suprise. Plenty of people saw no plane wreckage. But plenty did.

and explosions and flashes going around the WTC as they were coming down.

No they didn't.

Are you going to say all these eyewitnesses are liars to?

Not not the "witnesses".



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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As to whether the Bush Administration and Cheney & Co. knew in advance or were just incompetent is debatable. I lived in Fairfax, VA at the time of the attack and had a friend of mine who worked in Crystal City, VA, just across the Pentagon. He claimed on that day when I spoke to him to have seen a plane flying very low towards the Pentagon prior to the explosion.

I also lost a neighbor who worked in the Pentagon. I remember that it took several months for his wife to find out that he in fact had survived, gotten out, but died going back in. It struck me as strange that the military was so secretive about this and withheld this information.

As with any conspiracy, alleged or otherwise, lack of transparency by the military and government, either due to trying to cover up incompetence or misdeeds, further breaks down whatever trust exists from the citizens.

Bottom line, I know what I heard personally, and I know what I've seen and read on the internet. It makes me wonder how many alleged conspiracies are nothing more than bureaucrats trying to cover their own asses from failing to prevent a catastrophic event?

That being said, the point I agree with is that I think it is honorable to seek the truth and demand transparency and accountability from our government at all levels.



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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Hm.. If she wins this it could possibly change people's views of what may have actually happened that day. It may even open enough eyes to make a difference big enough to cause a ripple in the 'collective consciousness' as it's called. That's the optimistic view of it anyway.



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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we were lied to. Have been lied to continuously. It's time that stopped



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 11:01 PM
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I happened to be reading the 911 chapter Jesse Ventura's book today and he says a airport police officer or something like that told him the the first report they got over the radio said a missile hit the Pentagon. Then it changed to a commercial airliner.

Strange how I just happened to see that book and read a little of that part.



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by MainLineThis

While I admire this gentleman's "quest for the truth" I am curious if he and/or anybody else could tell me what I witnessed with my own two eyes that morning?


So where were you when you saw the impact? Could you please point out your exact position?


I laugh every time I read ignorant internet dribble about how a plane didn't hit such and such, or how a building couldn't come down the way it did, parroted over and over by fools who can hardly do math.


It makes me laugh to think you need to do any math to know the WTC could not have collapsed the way they did from fire and asymmetrical impacts. All you need to understand is Newtons laws of motion, as basic as you can get. There are lots of threads that explain this.

You obvioulsy haven't seen all the evidence yet. For example WTC 7 fell mostly in its own footprint, evidenced by all four outer walls being on top of the rest of the collapsed building. There is only one way that can happen. Implosion demolition. All four walls being on top of the collapsed building is the definition of 'in its own footprint'.


Great points in response to that ridiculous post, Anok. I was going to reply to MainLine, but didn't when I saw that you met the challenge accordingly.

It is PAINFULLY OBVIOUS that the official **story** is a LIE. There are so many inconsistencies, contradictions and *coincidences* concerning the official STORY that to call it anything but *****FICTIONAL***** would be a comfortable lie. Eventually, the truth will come out and historians of the future will chronicle 9-11 as one of the biggest magic tricks of all time. Yet, the "trick" was not for entertainment. It was for chaos and a battlecry into WAR. And look where this has led us to...



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by HumanistInitiative
I was all for 9/11 truth, until I put some deep thought into it. Now, it scares the h*ll out of me. I know it needs to happen, but I think we need to prepare for the outcome, before it happens... I have a bad feeling the truth could cause a lot of chaos, and will put our country in a very weak posture. Especially now, with the looming possibility that the dollar loses it's position as the World Reserve Currency.. When and if (I think 'if' is out of the question) it happens, if 9/11 truth isn't the cause of that travesty, it will certainly fuel some serious anti-American feelings. And I think the countries that hold our debt, might want to collect on it. I don't know what to think anymore.


It's the truth that sets people free. Keep it in mind always. Healing cannot begin until the truth comes out.



posted on Apr, 6 2011 @ 11:54 PM
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Your answer was incisive and withering in reply to inflammatory ad-hominems. I take my hat off to you. Bravo, sir.



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 01:41 AM
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Ditto. They are in tatters, their story growing older and harder to believe.We will win, they know it and sadly I feel sorry for anyone whos life is so bad, that they find themselves on the internet defending the biggest lie ever. I have a motive for my interest, what's theirs?



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 01:43 AM
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If only she wasn't doomed to fail. If only the world wasn't run by crooks. If only. *sigh*



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by impressme

John Mercer Walker, Jr. (born December 26, 1940) is a judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit and a cousin of U.S. Presidents George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush. He was chief judge of the Second Circuit from October 1, 2000, until October 1, 2006, when he assumed senior status.
He was a judge in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York before being elevated to the Second Circuit in 1989.

en.wikipedia.org...

If this Judge is related to the Bush family then I believe this gives April and her lawyers grounds to appeal this case to a higher court. *It is a conflict of interest at best.* This alone reeks of a cover up to stop the truth from being exposed.


How is it a conflict of interest, if George Bush isn't even named in the suit?



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by kwakakev
And so Bush's cousin was the judge... What a blatant conflict of interest, no respect, no honour, no justice.


I know i've already said this, but why would there be a COI if Bush isn't named in any of the lawsuits?



Originally posted by kwakakev
There have been a few moves on the international scene to push this case, at the moment Bush is not free to travel internationally with risk of being arrested.


Citation needed.



posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 07:45 AM
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Originally posted by GhostLancer

Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by Yankee451
 


Just another eye witness who reported explosives at the Pentagon.


The fact that she exited the Pentagon via the hole created by the impact is strong evidence that an airliner DID NOT hit the Pentagon.


This is Noel Sepulveda's account of April's rescue from the Pentagon.
www.scribd.com...

(BTW, April Gallop sucessfully sued AMERICAN AIRLINES in 2003 for her injuries and trauma)


There was a set of double doors that had blown, that had gotten blown out. And, so, I went in through there, and, started yelling for people.



And, we started working together to pull people out of there. One of the things that MR. COLFELDER actually handed me a, what I, for a minute, I thought were a bunch of rags, but, actually, it was a baby. And, then, come to find out that, you know, the mother was also, was also there. Apparently, this lady had brought the baby in for her office folks to see him, kind of thing.


And here is Alan Wallace's explanation as to where exactly those doors were.
www.scribd.com...


I proceeded to go around the back of the fire truck and into this area that had a door there just to the south of where the fire truck was parked. I have never seen these doors open. But I think what had happened -- they were huge, big, wooden doors and they're all around the building. These doors did not have any handles on them as I recall on the outside. And there was like a set of steps, maybe two or three steps high that went up to this area though that went right up to the doors . These doors were completely gone. They were probably blown out of the building.


So, we know that April did not in fact leave via the exit hole.



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I will also note that April Gallop has sucessfully sued American Airlines in 2003 fr her trauma. I wonder why you guys seem to ignore that?
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posted on Apr, 7 2011 @ 07:52 AM
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Originally posted by GunzCoty

And lets forget about the aluminum nose and wings that can penetrate 9ft of Steel reinforced concrete lets just forget that for a sec.


Can you cite a source for this 9' of reinforced concrete?



Originally posted by GunzCoty

Should the EPA not be shunting down the pentagon for all the un-burned jet fuel they covered up on the lawn?


No. Jet fuel evaporates rather quickly.



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