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Originally posted by Yankee451
Originally posted by hooper
Huh?
Name me one of these glaring contradictions in the "official explanation". Remember now, you must stick to facts included in the "official explanation", not some conspirafact that some wanna be super sleuth made up.
You mean like fabricating a sister who witnessed jets hitting the towers?
While I admire this gentleman's "quest for the truth"
I am curious if he and/or anybody else could tell me what I witnessed with my own two eyes that morning?
I laugh every time I read ignorant internet dribble about how a plane didn't hit such and such, or how a building couldn't come down the way it did, parroted over and over by fools who can hardly do math. It makes me weep for the future of our country.
I do, however, believe that 911 could have been prevented and was "allowed" to happen, but I think through ignorance and government incompetence, not through some multi-tiered and impossible to control conspiracy theory put forth by internet tin foil hat morons who don't understand how reality works.
I was there at the Pentagon and and also lost a co-worker in the second plane strike in NY. I'm past getting all emotional about it over the internet, as the more I read the more I realize how idiotic the internet conspiracy crowd can be.
The only thing that bothers me is that you all are allowed to vote, lol.
Yes, 911 was crap. It could have been prevented.
If the tin foil hat crowd actually focused on the important details maybe we would be able to prevent the next 911.
If anyone here works with the government, on any level, then you know what I am talking about. The rest of you are nothing more than internet desk jockeys filled with the ignorance you found online. Sad.
I will not answer any questions that are put forth from a moronic point of view,
and from anybody who doesn't have a basic command of reason.
Originally posted by hooper
Believe what you will - I know that your world view demands you dismiss anything that may violate your comfort zone. But you know that I am not alone, plenty of folks out there that know people who were witnesses that day, they just have no interest in talking to people like you and who could blame them.
You had been arguing about KE
and what not for days before you were finally reduced to admitting the only reason you believed a jet hit the towers is because you saw it on the TeeVee; and that was when you said your sister witnessed it.
Doesn't that sound like the move of a desperate man, to make up a sister as an eyewitness?
Aside from not leading with that story, did you at least describe in detail what she saw, why she was there, where she was when they collapsed...anything like that? See why I doubt you?
Not quite as desparate as dismissing hundreds of known witnesses by either denying they exist or implying they are lying. Now thats desparate.
Eyewitness Accounts
Eyewitnesses Recalled Explosions, No Alarms or Sprinklers
The collapses of the Twin Towers were witnessed firsthand by scores of people, most of them emergency responders. The majority of those accounts have been suppressed by the state for years. In August of 2005, the New York Times published the single largest and most authoritative body of eyewitness evidence yet assembled, [color=gold]as a result of winning a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. 1 Another body of evidence, which we have yet to examine, is a set of recordings of calls processed by the 911 system on the day of 9/11/01 and released in 2006.
The chief of safety of the fire department of New York City told me he received word of the possibility of a secondary device: that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said that there was another explosion which took place and according to his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted within the building.
The fact is in order to believe in the OS one MUST dismiss hundreds of credible eyewitness account that contradicts the OS.
There were plenty of credible eyewitnesses such as NYC Firemen NYC Police officer’s office workers and many other professionals that were at the Pentagon
and the WTC that witness no plane wreckage
So? No suprise. Plenty of people saw no plane wreckage. But plenty did.
and explosions and flashes going around the WTC as they were coming down.
No they didn't.
Are you going to say all these eyewitnesses are liars to?
Not not the "witnesses".
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by MainLineThis
While I admire this gentleman's "quest for the truth" I am curious if he and/or anybody else could tell me what I witnessed with my own two eyes that morning?
So where were you when you saw the impact? Could you please point out your exact position?
I laugh every time I read ignorant internet dribble about how a plane didn't hit such and such, or how a building couldn't come down the way it did, parroted over and over by fools who can hardly do math.
It makes me laugh to think you need to do any math to know the WTC could not have collapsed the way they did from fire and asymmetrical impacts. All you need to understand is Newtons laws of motion, as basic as you can get. There are lots of threads that explain this.
You obvioulsy haven't seen all the evidence yet. For example WTC 7 fell mostly in its own footprint, evidenced by all four outer walls being on top of the rest of the collapsed building. There is only one way that can happen. Implosion demolition. All four walls being on top of the collapsed building is the definition of 'in its own footprint'.
Originally posted by HumanistInitiative
I was all for 9/11 truth, until I put some deep thought into it. Now, it scares the h*ll out of me. I know it needs to happen, but I think we need to prepare for the outcome, before it happens... I have a bad feeling the truth could cause a lot of chaos, and will put our country in a very weak posture. Especially now, with the looming possibility that the dollar loses it's position as the World Reserve Currency.. When and if (I think 'if' is out of the question) it happens, if 9/11 truth isn't the cause of that travesty, it will certainly fuel some serious anti-American feelings. And I think the countries that hold our debt, might want to collect on it. I don't know what to think anymore.
Originally posted by impressme
John Mercer Walker, Jr. (born December 26, 1940) is a judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit and a cousin of U.S. Presidents George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush. He was chief judge of the Second Circuit from October 1, 2000, until October 1, 2006, when he assumed senior status.
He was a judge in the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York before being elevated to the Second Circuit in 1989.
en.wikipedia.org...
If this Judge is related to the Bush family then I believe this gives April and her lawyers grounds to appeal this case to a higher court. *It is a conflict of interest at best.* This alone reeks of a cover up to stop the truth from being exposed.
Originally posted by kwakakev
And so Bush's cousin was the judge... What a blatant conflict of interest, no respect, no honour, no justice.
Originally posted by kwakakev
There have been a few moves on the international scene to push this case, at the moment Bush is not free to travel internationally with risk of being arrested.
Originally posted by GhostLancer
Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by Yankee451
Just another eye witness who reported explosives at the Pentagon.
The fact that she exited the Pentagon via the hole created by the impact is strong evidence that an airliner DID NOT hit the Pentagon.
There was a set of double doors that had blown, that had gotten blown out. And, so, I went in through there, and, started yelling for people.
And, we started working together to pull people out of there. One of the things that MR. COLFELDER actually handed me a, what I, for a minute, I thought were a bunch of rags, but, actually, it was a baby. And, then, come to find out that, you know, the mother was also, was also there. Apparently, this lady had brought the baby in for her office folks to see him, kind of thing.
I proceeded to go around the back of the fire truck and into this area that had a door there just to the south of where the fire truck was parked. I have never seen these doors open. But I think what had happened -- they were huge, big, wooden doors and they're all around the building. These doors did not have any handles on them as I recall on the outside. And there was like a set of steps, maybe two or three steps high that went up to this area though that went right up to the doors . These doors were completely gone. They were probably blown out of the building.
Originally posted by GunzCoty
And lets forget about the aluminum nose and wings that can penetrate 9ft of Steel reinforced concrete lets just forget that for a sec.
Originally posted by GunzCoty
Should the EPA not be shunting down the pentagon for all the un-burned jet fuel they covered up on the lawn?