911 Survivor Won't Back Down

reply to post by Masterjaden


Let me guess, your the king of guy that accepts eyewitness testimony unless it doesn't fit your ignorant agenda? Folks like you are a dime a dozen. I agree that in extreme cases eyewitness testimony can be easily dismissed, but it is hard to dismiss people seeing a plane hit a friggin' building. You were not there, but you read something on the internet that struck a chord with you, so it must be everyone else that is stupid and not yourself, right?

The truth will easily remain hidden as long as there is ignorance like this that is propagated online like some sort of horny bunny rabbits.

What really makes me sick is the fact that there are websites out there that operate for profit that allow stuff like this to be distorted and advanced.....all in the name of clicks and add revenue.....and folks like you are helping them do it.

One element which struck me as odd about the alleged hijacking of flight AA77 that stuck the Pentagon was this ;

Routine radio communication was made with the pilot of AA 77 at 8:51. Shortly thereafter, the plane was suspected to have been hijacked since it made an unauthorized turn at 8:54 and then the transponder was turned off at 8:56. Once the transponder was turned off, the flight path taken towards the Pentagon cannot be determined because ATC could not track the plane with primary surveillance radar (PSR). PSR operates totally independently of the target aircraft – that is, no action from the aircraft is required for it to provide a radar return. Since ATC could not track AA 77 with PSR like they had done with the other three hijacked planes when their transponders were turned off, ATC assumed it crashed. This reasonable assumption allowed AA 77 to hit the pentagon at 9:37 without being intercepted by the military.

Seems convenient that the one location that would intercept an inbound hostile were unable to do so as they were unable to track it with PSR – how could a commercial flight block that as it was a long way to fly ‘under the radar’. The other 3 aircraft were tracked until impact/crash.

So in answer to the question where did AA77 go – perhaps it never reached the Pentagon.

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While I admire this gentleman's "quest for the truth" I am curious if he and/or anybody else could tell me what I witnessed with my own two eyes that morning? I laugh every time I read ignorant internet dribble about how a plane didn't hit such and such, or how a building couldn't come down the way it did, parroted over and over by fools who can hardly do math. It makes me weep for the future of our country.

The fact that some people believe 911 was on the up and up makes me weep for the future of humanity, 4 planes or not.

reply to post by Yankee451


You can't ask for anything more than an eyewitness that was actually present at the time of the explosion. She walked out of the hole that was supposedly caused by the plane and saw no plane wreckage? This part of her testimony really concerns me...

Ms. Gallop also maintains that federal officials repeatedly preached to her that a large commercial airliner hit the Pentagon and that she was strongly advised not to state otherwise.

"Strongly advised not to state otherwise?" This is a survivor of 9/11 who's daughter was almost a victim and they're trying to change her eye witness account? What would they care if she was the only one stating such a story? They could easily say she was delirious after the crash and her account was just caused by shock. If she is so insistent of what she saw, I doubt she was in shock. The planes wing or even crumpled up metal should have been near the entrance of the hole.

I hope she's persistent and continues on with her law suit. We need answers that clarify what happened on 9/11 and not just the OS and government officials persuading the public that all the questions about 9/11 have been answered.

reply to post by digitalf

So in answer to the question where did AA77 go – perhaps it never reached the Pentagon.

Then I guess I saw a figment of my imagination hit the pentagon. Or an EXACT copy of that plane hit it....but then again, wouldn't it be easier just to hijack that actual plane and crash it rather than go through all the trouble of faking it?

If they were going to fake it so the tin foil hat crowd would buy it, wouldn't they just have blown a cartoon outline of a plane in the building? reality and physics have never been the tin foils hat's forte, so if they wanted to fool them they should have made it very obvious, no?

Originally posted by MainLineThis
reply to post by digitalf

 

So in answer to the question where did AA77 go – perhaps it never reached the Pentagon.

Then I guess I saw a figment of my imagination hit the pentagon. Or an EXACT copy of that plane hit it....but then again, wouldn't it be easier just to hijack that actual plane and crash it rather than go through all the trouble of faking it?

If they were going to fake it so the tin foil hat crowd would buy it, wouldn't they just have blown a cartoon outline of a plane in the building? reality and physics have never been the tin foils hat's forte, so if they wanted to fool them they should have made it very obvious, no?

If indeed you were an on scene eye witness to AA77 actually hitting the Pentagon then I stand corrected, but I find it interesting you chose to pull out my one liner and fail to address my other concern - the fact that AA77 was the *only* plane to disappear from conventional radar - odd don't you think ?

reply to post by MainLineThis


Another Eye Witness? Do you know FDNY343?

Seriously, can you describe in detail what you saw?

Originally posted by MainLineThis

While I admire this gentleman's "quest for the truth" I am curious if he and/or anybody else could tell me what I witnessed with my own two eyes that morning?

So where were you when you saw the impact? Could you please point out your exact position?

I laugh every time I read ignorant internet dribble about how a plane didn't hit such and such, or how a building couldn't come down the way it did, parroted over and over by fools who can hardly do math.

It makes me laugh to think you need to do any math to know the WTC could not have collapsed the way they did from fire and asymmetrical impacts. All you need to understand is Newtons laws of motion, as basic as you can get. There are lots of threads that explain this.

You obvioulsy haven't seen all the evidence yet. For example WTC 7 fell mostly in its own footprint, evidenced by all four outer walls being on top of the rest of the collapsed building. There is only one way that can happen. Implosion demolition. All four walls being on top of the collapsed building is the definition of 'in its own footprint'.

reply to post by hooper


Do you know what the pentagon does have?
Steel reinforced concrete (you know the stuff bunkers are made out of the same stuff we had to build a special bomb to penetrate aka a "bunker buster" )

Cameras covering every inch of the inside and out (because its the frigging pentagon)

And lets forget about the aluminum nose and wings that can penetrate 9ft of Steel reinforced concrete lets just forget that for a sec. Where is the damage from the titanium/steel engines?

Or hey how about some film from inside the pentagon?

Should the EPA not be shunting down the pentagon for all the un-burned jet fuel they covered up on the lawn?

Can you shed some light on this for me?

reply to post by MainLineThis


So all the eye witnesses to 9/11 from this woman to the firemen are all lairs or "cynical delusion and fantasy"
but you,some guy/girl on the internet who says they seen it in person is the one telling the truth and we are to believe you over all others?

reply to post by GunzCoty

Do you know what the pentagon does have?
Steel reinforced concrete (you know the stuff bunkers are made out of the same stuff we had to build a special bomb to penetrate aka a "bunker buster" )

Oooooh. Steel reinforced concrete. Thats soooo special. Unlike all the other concrete all over the place which is also "steel reinforced". Pretty much like any piece of concrete thats been constructed since the 19th century when they determined that the thermal coefficient for expansion for concrete and steel were virtually the same. Do you even have a clue what "steel reinforced" means? Steel reinforced concrete is no harder than concrete that does not have steel. And no we did not have to invent special bombs for "steel reinforced" concrete.

Cameras covering every inch of the inside and out (because its the frigging pentagon)

And the Pentagon is a friggin office building. Administrative headquarters for the DoD. Please provide some evidence that every square inch was covered by cctv. Don't bother, you can't.

And lets forget about the aluminum nose and wings that can penetrate 9ft of Steel reinforced concrete lets just forget that for a sec. Where is the damage from the titanium/steel engines?

I already forgot about the 9 ft of steel reinforced concrete because that is a figment of your imagination. First, very little of the engine is composed of titanium, check it out. That big shape you see on the plane - thats mostly cover and mostly aluminum.

Or hey how about some film from inside the pentagon?

How about it? You got some proof there is some or just more of your imagination gone amuck.

Should the EPA not be shunting down the pentagon for all the un-burned jet fuel they covered up on the lawn?

First, why would the EPA shut down the Pentagon because of a fuel spill? Second why would there be fuel on the lawn, the plane didn't crash into the lawn?

Can you shed some light on this for me?

Not while you've got those blinders on.

I am so sick of people that still take up for the government official story. Look you can argue against ANY speculative theory someone may bring up against the OS and dismiss it with ease in most cases. Yeah it is true. There is little proof for most theories, but that's why they are just theories.

But you know what? THAT DOES NOT MATTER. That's because THE GOVERNMENT will NOT ALLOW people to ACTUALLY PERFORM AN IMPARTIAL AND HONEST INVESTIGATION. THAT'S WHY there is little proof.

They will not release the official tapes from the Pentagon.
They destroyed evidence from NY and shipped it to China.
They pursue, harass and discredit anyone that tries to question the story.

THAT IS ALL I NEED TO KNOW THE GOVERNMENT STORY IS A COVER-UP. Just those facts alone. The who, how, why, where and when isn't what's needed to come to the conclusion that it was a cover-up.

If you want to know the details of whether it was a plane, a bomb, not a plane. who was involved, whatever.......YOU NEED AN INVESTIGATION.

Simple as that and it comes down to this basic statement. If the government was not involved they should have NOTHING to fear from a new investigation and should be supporting it not oppressing it.

reply to post by samhouston1886

God Bless all those who seek the truth about what happened on 09/11, there is no doubt that something really stinks and that there has been a huge effort to make it a taboo subject. One would have to be a fool or a liar to deny that there are enough qualified, credible and sane people calling for a new investigation, while at the same time most Americans have heard that there seems to be something wrong with what we have been told about 9/11. When we look at how America has responded to 9/11 Truth (willful ignorance, ridicule, threats, assaults,etc) we see that the average response is exactly what the MSM conditioning aimed to achieve, Truthers need to know that this is not due to a failure to spread the word but rather a failure on the part of the majority who not only like the lies, they will die to defend them, they are failures and it is why they are being ass raped for everything they have right now, like most failures, they will be disposed of when the time is right, do you really want to be right there standing with them when the time comes? Honestly, I don't and I wont because I have seen the true face of my Country and it is shamefull, greedy, murderous, scandalous and inconsiderate just to name a few, I will not fight to defend it and its no wonder that the Police State has been constructed, with the caliber of people we have its a necessary move. I love America and the ideals that we are SUPPOSED to have, what I grew up believing in my beloved City, but 9/11 tore down that lie and know I really see what its all about. Now you can babysit, coddle and try to wake everyone up but I promise you that it is a fruitless endeavor, they simply do not care about 9/11 or anything that does not provide gratification. America does not give two craps about what happened to us but you guys seem to even after almost a decade, so I will say this, I do not advocate CPR on a corpse that is falling apart so it is with an open heart that I tell all of my 9/11 Truth Brothers and Sisters that they need to keep that money spent on burning DVD's that nobody watches and start to focus on themselves and learning how to take care of each other, buy land, get assets, etc. Instead of spending $25 on blanks, send it to the Fealgood Foundation or Rememberbuilding7.org where it can really make a difference. We truly cant save the world but we can save each other, lets not waste any time.

I think that this post is probably one of the Honest, most Down to Earth - Hit the nail on the head, right on the money comments that I have ever read on here. It is so very sad that this is exactly where it seems that this Countries main stream populace has come to. Like a new born baby without the "safety" of their swaddling clothes" to bind them in and protect them from the big bad ugly truth of exactly how Nasty and Dirty this Government actually is, they both kick and scream in protest fighting to hide within the boundaries of their safe little "STRUCTURED" lives. Come on people this isn't the "Brady Bunch",this is the Real Big Blue World where EVERYTHING is possible and unfortunately when there is both money and power on the line it is obvious that the Worst possible Crimes against Human Nature, are most likely the tactics that TPTB ,have already, or Will choose to employ if left to their own devices.That Greedy and Power Hungry Men who have almost unlimited resources would resort to tactics so Barbaric, should really come as no shock to us when we stop to realize that these same men have the same Blood as the Barbarians of old in Europe. What has worked from them in times of old they will repeat over and over again especially when they find it so very easy to manipulate the minds and the consciousness of the majority of the people over whom they preside!

reply to post by TakingTheRedPill

I am so sick of people that still take up for the government official story. Look you can argue against ANY speculative theory someone may bring up against the OS and dismiss it with ease in most cases. Yeah it is true. There is little proof for most theories, but that's why they are just theories.

There's your first problem - when there are no facts then you don't have a "theory" you have a fanatasy. It is perfectly legitimate to offer an alternative explanation for a given set of facts, however, all alternatives must include the complete set of facts.

But you know what? THAT DOES NOT MATTER.

You know what - YES IT DOES MATTER.

That's because THE GOVERNMENT will NOT ALLOW people to ACTUALLY PERFORM AN IMPARTIAL AND HONEST INVESTIGATION.

I am not aware of the government prohibiting anyone from conducting any legal investigation.

THAT'S WHY there is little proof.

No, there's little proof because there is NO proof.

They will not release the official tapes from the Pentagon.

Which ones specifically?

They destroyed evidence from NY and shipped it to China.

Well, except for all of the "evidence" thats still here. Fantasy.

They pursue, harass and discredit anyone that tries to question the story.

And your evidence for this is.....?

THAT IS ALL I NEED TO KNOW THE GOVERNMENT STORY IS A COVER-UP. Just those facts alone. The who, how, why, where and when isn't what's needed to come to the conclusion that it was a cover-up.

So your evidence of a conspiracy is baseless accusation of a cover up?

If you want to know the details of whether it was a plane, a bomb, not a plane. who was involved, whatever.......YOU NEED AN INVESTIGATION.

And how about the ones wh already completed? Or should we just keep "investigating" until we get answers you like?

Simple as that and it comes down to this basic statement. If the government was not involved they should have NOTHING to fear from a new investigation and should be supporting it not oppressing it.

It is not now, nor should it be the function of the government to expend resources to disprove fantasies.

If Cheney et al DID give stand down orders to the Military, could this woman change tack with her Lawsuit, and have them charged with Dereliction of Duty, at the minimum???? That way there would be no chance of the Courts telling her that her charges are "delusional" and "based on fantasy".

reply to post by hooper


Respectfully I just want to say this: If 9/11 was simply explained away by the simplicity of the "Official" explanations, ...it would simply just be that. The problem is that no matter at WHICH specific act that was perpetrated against our People that horrible Autumn Day, absolutely EVERY aspect contradicts what The "Official Explanation" tells us. The Truth is very simple the Truth can't be a contradiction to itself in anyway. Truth establishes Fact, and Fact establishes Truth. When Contradictions and Subterfuge and so much confusion start entering the picture You can bet its a sure time You will also find Lies ,Deceit. If the story TPTB were peddling was true there would be absolutely no question, it would be obvious. No room for all the double talk and outright bold in your face LIES that they have shoveled down our throats.

Originally posted by waypastvne
It turns out the judge hearing the case is George Bush's cousin;

en.wikipedia.org...

The Truthers are going to go crazy.

This is going to be good.

edit on 5-4-2011 by waypastvne because: (no reason given)

Figure's !

If any one Looked did anyone see this ?

John M. Walker-Fatal_traffic_accident
en.wikipedia.org...

On the evening of October 17, 2006, as he began his drive home to Madison, Walker's Ford Escape automobile struck a police officer named Daniel Picagli in New Haven, Connecticut. The officer was directing traffic at a road construction site for AT&T.[1] [2] There were no construction signs or traffic cones marking off the site.[3] Picagli died four days later on October 21, 2006. "He had been wearing a black raincoat and a reflective vest".[4] Police Chief Francisco Ortiz said the "officers did not feel it was necessary to test Walker for drugs or alcohol".[4] Walker stopped immediately, and New Haven police have said the cause was not related to drugs or alcohol.[5

I know if i caused an accident at work i would be Drug tested ! no mater what the cost! of the Damage
it should be mandatory! for all Accidents for the ones that Caused...

This Guy got off from Manslaughter! Charge let see Cousin of the Bush Family and a Judge = Get out of Jail for free card .. ?

also to ADD He is claimed to be a member of the Wolf's Head Secret Society and a Bones men from Yale
is that some clue ...

reply to post by Wolfenz


It is good to be the ex king's cousin.

Originally posted by DonniW
reply to post by hooper

 

Respectfully I just want to say this: If 9/11 was simply explained away by the simplicity of the "Official" explanations, ...it would simply just be that. The problem is that no matter at WHICH specific act that was perpetrated against our People that horrible Autumn Day, absolutely EVERY aspect contradicts what The "Official Explanation" tells us. The Truth is very simple the Truth can't be a contradiction to itself in anyway. Truth establishes Fact, and Fact establishes Truth. When Contradictions and Subterfuge and so much confusion start entering the picture You can bet its a sure time You will also find Lies ,Deceit. If the story TPTB were peddling was true there would be absolutely no question, it would be obvious. No room for all the double talk and outright bold in your face LIES that they have shoveled down our throats.

Huh?

Name me one of these glaring contradictions in the "official explanation". Remember now, you must stick to facts included in the "official explanation", not some conspirafact that some wanna be super sleuth made up.

Originally posted by hooper


Huh?

Name me one of these glaring contradictions in the "official explanation". Remember now, you must stick to facts included in the "official explanation", not some conspirafact that some wanna be super sleuth made up.

You mean like fabricating a sister who witnessed jets hitting the towers?