.....Next level......

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by laffoe
I will be quiet
Praying for us to have compassion

There is such a thing as tough love my friend, and in reality the whole trick is how to balance wisdom with love, these types of exchanges give me no pleasure but they are crucial if people are going to learn that balance of wisdom and love.

There are in fact many people getting close to being ready to evolve, they are not entirely sure what is happening to them and what is going on, and sadly there is no shortage of new age prophets willing to steer them willy nilly for attention and sometimes money too.

The last thing you or anyone likely needs at a critical stage of development is bad answers or to be manipulated by another for less than honest reasons.

People have been trying to ascend through the teachings of Masters for thousands of years, almost always they fail and fail for one simple reason.

The Answers are within, they can't be realized externally, you can't be groomed, you can't be trained to discover those answers within.

I can tell you what it's like to step up onto the batters mound on opening day, to feel the excitement of the assembled crowd, to smell the fresh spring air and the fresh breeze, to feel the anticipation as the pitcher draws back and throws that ball, and to connect with it with such a force and fury the moment you do that you know it's going to go soaring out of the park and sail over the horizon in a homerun that will bring the crowd to it's feet, but that will never equal the experience of realizing that moment yourself.

It will never help you realize that moment yourself.

It's all locked inside of you.

No one and I mean no one can bring it out of you but you.

Seeing is believing and when you reach that day it happens, you will better appreciate what in reality no words can convey to you from another.

Thanks.

Access denied....Be gone from me.....Your words sicken me.....

Originally posted by trekwebmaster
Let me offer a "Pearl of Wisdom," as it were.

Perhaps, the most important thing is to question. But, in all of this, and more, wouldn't the greatest validation for perfection lie-in a perfect creator, having created all things, even mankind, as an image of perfection, waiting for a decision of validation of the self-same perfection?

To realize perfection, through a refining of the imperfect, is a goal of worthy-effort? Of all people? Isn't this a fantastic validation and confirmation of all questions we have and have yet to ask? Isn't the rest best-left unsaid? Do we have to verbalize when we "know" the correct answers?

"If you look 'out-there' and see all that is, and more; and suddenly see that you are looking inside yourself makes everything that ever was very significant."

edit on 8-4-2011 by trekwebmaster because: (no reason given)

Choice made.....Entrance granted.....do not stray.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Brianegan

 

You will never enter my sight! Judgment made......anyone else?

Oh boy.

Total melt down there, here is an idea, rather than trying to sit in judgement of your natural peers, how about you try to rethink what it is you are purporting to be attempting to do.

And then realize you are doing the exact opposite.

Judge not least ye be judged.

A rush to such a proclomation is not bound to serve you well in that stead.

I will not read your words.....Access denied.

Originally posted by jackflap
reply to post by Brianegan

 

One path for all now......Accept responsibility or be denied. I will always love everyone of you dearly but there are those that dont deserve to be taken down in the blaze. I do not care if you believe me or not an longer. Your actions will show me your choice beyond a shadow of a doubt. I can see you by looking into a mirror.....HEAR ME.

I don't know about anyone else here, but I definitely hear you. I get everything that you are saying here and I am appreciative of your efforts and I feel you will be succesful. I wanted to share this with you as it is helping me on my way. Delve into what is really being said here and you will see and feel what I mean. It goes much deeper than one could imagine.

Final lesson....Is it okay to hurt anyone or is it funny? No? Choice made......entrance granted....do not stray....

Originally posted by GypsK
reply to post by Brianegan

 

I will not be quite.

I really did enjoy the threads and the u2u's, but I'm only looking for the missing pieces in my puzzle to progress on my spiritual path. I don't know if you have to offer them. Maybe.
I could even allow myself to look over the religious aspects you've put in your posts: God, Satan, Adam and Eve, the beginning of paradise,... and look to the other content. I'm not religious and will never become that. I don't believe in what is written in the bible because to me it is just a story in a book. The notion of 'God' does not make me tremble in fear. That is something that no one can change about me.

I was willing to listen but not to be patronized and that is exactly what I hear in the tone of you last post.
I have re-read all the posts made here starting with me and ProtoplasmicTraveler having an argument and I find nothing to be ashamed off in there... nothing. There is no shame in disagreeing and discussing! How else do we learn?! By nodding all the time? No...

so this is where I take off, I'm not a follower.

Best of luck to you on your journey and eveyone who wish to accompany you on it.

Your path shows much love. Find its origin in time and gain entrance. If not access will be denied. Judgment made.

reply to post by Brianegan

Access denied....Be gone from me.....Your words sicken me.....

Kids you just have to love them, they say the darndest things.



Probably a bit before your time, Brian let me clue you in there are some pretty powerful forces in this universe.

Don't let your appetite exceed your stomach.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Brianegan

 

Access denied....Be gone from me.....Your words sicken me.....

Kids you just have to love them, they say the darndest things.

Probably a bit before your time, Brian let me clue you in there are some pretty powerful forces in this universe.

Don't let your appetite exceed your stomach.

Originally posted by GypsK

I will not be quite.

I was willing to listen but not to be patronized

There is no shame in disagreeing and discussing! How else do we learn?! By nodding all the time? No...

so this is where I take off, I'm not a follower.

A poster who has opened their eyes realised the truth and made the right decision and thus moved on to the next level, I'm impressed OP, err, you work in mysterious ways.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by laffoe
I will be quiet
Praying for us to have compassion

There is such a thing as tough love my friend, and in reality the whole trick is how to balance wisdom with love, these types of exchanges give me no pleasure but they are crucial if people are going to learn that balance of wisdom and love.

There are in fact many people getting close to being ready to evolve, they are not entirely sure what is happening to them and what is going on, and sadly there is no shortage of new age prophets willing to steer them willy nilly for attention and sometimes money too.

The last thing you or anyone likely needs at a critical stage of development is bad answers or to be manipulated by another for less than honest reasons.

People have been trying to ascend through the teachings of Masters for thousands of years, almost always they fail and fail for one simple reason.

The Answers are within, they can't be realized externally, you can't be groomed, you can't be trained to discover those answers within.

I can tell you what it's like to step up onto the batters mound on opening day, to feel the excitement of the assembled crowd, to smell the fresh spring air and the fresh breeze, to feel the anticipation as the pitcher draws back and throws that ball, and to connect with it with such a force and fury the moment you do that you know it's going to go soaring out of the park and sail over the horizon in a homerun that will bring the crowd to it's feet, but that will never equal the experience of realizing that moment yourself.

It will never help you realize that moment yourself.

It's all locked inside of you.

No one and I mean no one can bring it out of you but you.

Seeing is believing and when you reach that day it happens, you will better appreciate what in reality no words can convey to you from another.

Thanks.

uhhm we were talking to ourselfs , until you planted a very contradictive seed. with all your morals u forgot a few things , scroll up ,go back , hope you find it

reply to post by Brianegan

Final lesson....Is it okay to hurt anyone or is it funny? No? Choice made......entrance granted....do not stray....

Awesome! I knew you would see what I saw in that and I just knew I could make it in this thread, thanks. I have a question that I hope you can tackle because it has been bugging me for some time. I guess it kind of goes along the lines of what you have here.

Let us be real……..as we wish it to be, it must come every time as if done by Devine from deep within our own mind. Deep Deep DEEP within our own mind our our our our own mind. Mind Mind Mind. Is mine and we like to share………… a lot!

Is it ok to shun someone who does not believe what I believe and tries to make me see a different perspective than the one I am embracing at the moment? I have an acquaintance who I cannot see eye to eye with no matter how deep I go in my mind. He will not listen to me and implores me to consider what he is saying. The thing is, it may just lead me off the course I'm on. Should I shun him and continue on with you?

reply to post by yets777


Here is an idea if you want to make a point, do make it by saying precisely what you mean and mean what you say.

Unlike some people Proto does answer all questions put to him, so if you have a real one, really form it, ask it and I will give you a real answer.

Thanks.

nevermind, im getting tired of the duality and wars , i went further in my journey than ever before within these threads , i meditate for over ten years and some things need to be understood from reason or we wouldnt be here , most within these threads are people who seek and found a great amount of esoteric knowledge allready , if we are bounding within these threads like we have been it must mean that there is something more to it clearly. i chose to believe it , it wassent forced , im happy i did , i love it all the way , im making friends and meeting soulmates , never before on ats i found this . love you all

reply to post by yets777

why do you attack a person who shows hes true self

I attacked no one, I asked a simple question and recieved a poor answer.

Rather than try to provide a better answer Brian chose another path, that's on him not on me.

The self he ended up revealing through that is not quite the self he promoted in the beginning.

and why do u attack with wisdom if that is clearly not your way

The use of the word 'if' is a precurser to failure to establish that is my way.

You either know or don't know my ways. So the use of the word if clearly suggest you don't know my ways.

So this then is a hypothetical question, not a well formed question.

However offering wisdom is in and of itself not an attack but an entreaty to consider wisdom, that usually does not serve fools well, who then percieve it as being all about them and or their foolishness where wisdom is not welcome.

So what wisdoms I offered are meant to be truths in and of themselves to themselves.

Should wisdom be inconvenient to another then that is the fault of the individual who finds wisdom to be inconvenient and contrary to a foolish purpose.

Wisdom is what you want to acquire, not heros, idols or savoirs, why rely on them that those wisdoms may escape them or their discipline and resolve to consistently use, when you can rely upon yourself to always espouse them through your own discipline and resolve and consistency.

You are entitled to your own perceptions I am entitled to ask honest questions and share honest observations.

Originally posted by yets777
nevermind, im getting tired of the duality and wars , i went further in my journey than ever before within these threads , i meditate for over ten years and some things need to be understood from reason or we wouldnt be here , most within these threads are people who seek and found a great amount of esoteric knowledge allready , if we are bounding within these threads like we have been it must mean that there is something more to it clearly. i chose to believe it , it wassent forced , im happy i did , i love it all the way , im making friends and meeting soulmates , never before on ats i found this . love you all

edit on 8-4-2011 by yets777 because: (no reason given)

reply to post by yets777


The same thing seems to be happening in this thread as the other. i really do no perceive protoplasmic to be attacking at all, just as i was not attacking you in your other thread. in fact, he seems to just be attempted to have a discussions on how he sees the universe as well, which was the same thing i was attempting in the other thread. These iterations are bound to "disagree" or "see things differently." learning and exploring these "other worlds" allows us to explore the very vast diversity of the universe in which we reside. It is actually quite the beautiful and amazing thing that such different systems and iterations can be supported simultaneously! "how the universe is" is not contained within any one system posting in this thread, it is made up of them each, individually and equally, as individual parts of the same whole. Their coming together creates the music and movement of the universe. The more differences there are, the bigger the musical repertoire can be. The idea that such things as perspective will be different should simply be a given, just as we wouldnt expect planetary bodies or bacteria to be the same. "all things" are not contained in ones perspective, rather ones perspective is contained in "all things." thinking the other way around is simply another mental trap that we like to play with ourselves (even when we recognize it easily).

An amazing exercise is to get all the "like-minded" people you know together and get them to write, independently (so without any talking with the others), how they "see" the universe. Maybe put a limit of 3-5 pages on it. Even within assumed total agreement, the differences are (as i say) as vast as the ocean, and just as deep too. much like the ocean, it is all connected land underneath as well. But the kind and open approach to that inherent diversity is simply not present in this thread or some others of yours brian, why not? Quick over reactions and such insecurities simply take away "credibility" when your message is speaking the exact opposite of your actions. Let me make this clear though, this is simply not an attack. This is how i view things, and it should be a given that that is a limited understanding (as it is for you).

Brian and yets (and perhaps others reading this of like mind), why do you limit the universe in your attempt to help others see it? No one needs to "gain" anything, as everything is here right now. just perhaps not in the free will perspective. All we need to do is help others search the universe and their perspective out for themselves. "learning to learn," so to speak, instead of telling it "how it is." May i ask a personal question? Did either/both of you just have an extraordinarily significant "spiritual" happening in your life recently? i ask this from a possibility that you are simply trying to "spread the Love" so to speak, but are still trying to truly find it for yourselves in your perspective. This is a response i have seen personally many times over and it displays in exactly the same way as behavior and patterns are being exhibited here. Its so easy for us to think that there is only "the way we did it and understand it" because that is the only way that worked for us! however, what we are a part of is simply greater than to be limited to just the iterations that perceive it, even between the connected systems.



Protoplasmic, i wished to respond to your earlier quote of "The universe either exists as one single entity at it's core, or there are multiple entities." I do not see that such structures contained only within the human mind to be necessarily universally applicable. meaning that i see it, from our perspective, that the universe actually exists as multiple entities making up a single entity (as is the basis for every perceptually defined system to me). Our perspective, in its totality, is an independent (but not separate) part of a system, much like galaxies. It may seem like semantics, but perhaps you will understand the experiential difference i am trying to convey. that can always be the trick, right?

reply to post by yets777


The duality of the mind is in fact what prevents most people from reaching yet a third portion of their being, what the Greeks and Romans referred to as the higher self, or Frued referred to as the Super Ego.

The duality being the ying and the yang, or the id and the ego with the trinity then being the higher self or super ego.

To bring the first two into perfect harmony will unlock the door to the third, bring all three into harmony and reconcile them with each other and you will be up and on your way.

No you really won't achieve that arguing on ATS or following would be prophets, that's something you have to work out all on your own, in your own time, within your own mind where it is all occuring.

Blaming others for that failure isn't a path to achieving that per say because it's not about the external conflict, it's about the internatl conflict.

You might come to better understand your internal conflict through observing external conflict, but the one-ness and harmony you seek has to occur within your own mind.

It's why you can't be groomed or trained for it.

It's more or less reaching a saturation point where finally the two competing hemispheres of your brain can be in total agreement on something singular with no doubt.

Me I am still trying to figure out what I want to wear today and it's almost 4 pm!

Go figure!

Originally posted by yets777

Originally posted by yets777
nevermind, im getting tired of the duality and wars , i went further in my journey than ever before within these threads , i meditate for over ten years and some things need to be understood from reason or we wouldnt be here , most within these threads are people who seek and found a great amount of esoteric knowledge allready , if we are bounding within these threads like we have been it must mean that there is something more to it clearly. i chose to believe it , it wassent forced , im happy i did , i love it all the way , im making friends and meeting soulmates , never before on ats i found this . love you all

edit on 8-4-2011 by yets777 because: (no reason given)

Just like spoken from my heart.
I urge anyone to look within, find your answers there within.
What is it that drives you, what is it that you really really REALLY wants and needs.
What is it that drives you on, and what is it you see when you look into the mirror?

Love and respect!

You have all seen my heart and know of its love. I warned many times of what was coming and I wasnt the first and far from it. Know that in your travels you are being watched and the very next steps you take must be choosen wisely because you will be doing so with the knowledge of the consequences applying.

Choose inncorectly and you will have choosen your fate......The choice is now up to you. Spread the word because that was the final warning...There are a few and you know who you are that have already made their choice and neednt even read this because it will make no difference as entrance for them has already been granted. (please just stay do not stray) Do that by keeping this in the forefront of your mind when faced with each choice and make your choice after weighing out the good and the bad to find your path and if it is safe to proceed then do so with confidence that someone is smiling down on you as you will be making your father proud....

Take conscern in how you choose your actions when interacting....Now it is either get it or get out. Judgment made.

Good luck......I am so disappointed in myself...I thought there was a chance to save you all but god was right. You will never learn. I thought that it was my test to find the way to save you all but my test was to simply trust the word of god.

God please forgive me for my trespasses as I forgave those that tresspased against me. Please allow me the strength to wtach them go. I will always love them as you have and wish for as many to be saved as possible. Orders please? Thank you for the hope you have filled me with during my times here. I will gather your children and return home proud when you arrive. I will be needing a hug.......

No im am not a catholic or christian or any other singular title.....When the phrase "I am" was used it meant I am (and you can fill in the blank because there are no wrong answers).

It will be painless for both sides. I will do my best to shelter them by taking these pains willingly into myself so please place it in me instead and allow them to transit with dignity of a long royal line worthy of such an end. I ask for the strength to succeed and thank you in advance for everything. I bow to your will and thank for the infinite wisdom you display by freeing ours. I love you.

The times ahead will seperate the good from the bad.....Which side will you walk on......dont tell me you dont truely know the difference....we all know that to be an excuse.....just another one of the many....

There are those that know how to reach me directly and they have my permission to direct those that have chosen well to seek me out if they wish but know that we are already connected and seeking me out is fine but not neccessary.(I welcome both)....Otherwise Ill see you back home. or not.....

Be good to one another and nothing else.....WE are not qualifed to lead yet so do unto them as you would have them do unto you until truth is understood and confirmed to be so......and we are welcomed into freedom from our illusions.


I apologize to all the good people that have been subjected to the consequences of actions because you deserve a much easier transistion. Know that God is perfect and judges well so he will make no mistake. You can not hide nor should you care to.

This last post of mine was meant for those that know they have given up and are not even trying anymore out of the belief that they answer to no one....Well thank god because they were wrong and were warned their entire lives of it just like we were.....Everyone can feel the ending nearing and it will be the dedicated and commited positive spreaders that had already made their choice and this final post will allow them to show their true beauty....



Ask and ye shall reveive really comes with rules of engagment but not here. This is a temporary place and those rules must be understood by the time this place fullfils its purpose. Wether or not you want to make the choice doesnt matter any more now that we have created enough fear to destroy this world. Your actions are now the only true sign of a choice now that the words have been completely manipulated and are unrecognizable...

I am sorry to those that have taken this as the fall of brianegan and have been let down by me through these anger words. Please try to understand that tough love was a last resort and time is critical now. I wanted to do it the same way you wanted it to be done but you would be sacrificed along with the others if I continued that way and that is not allowed or deserved at all.....I know this has shaken your faith in me but be assured you will find the good reason and return to me plus I already knew that would happen.

I wont be returning nearly as often as my focus has been commanded for and there will be many coming out of the cracks to argue their cases.....Sadly there is no arguing after judg=ment is made. No mistake is made in that department ever and the decision is always final because the denied are too set in their ways to humble themselves and admit they are wrong by changing themselves for the better and God knows when that is true.

Be as harsh as you wish because I welcome your pain into myself and no matter how hard any will try. Ill never forget why I love you all. ever....

Originally posted by Thepreye

Originally posted by GypsK

I will not be quite.

I was willing to listen but not to be patronized

There is no shame in disagreeing and discussing! How else do we learn?! By nodding all the time? No...

so this is where I take off, I'm not a follower.

A poster who has opened their eyes realised the truth and made the right decision and thus moved on to the next level, I'm impressed OP, err, you work in mysterious ways.

Entrance granted

reply to post by sinohptik

Protoplasmic, i wished to respond to your earlier quote of "The universe either exists as one single entity at it's core, or there are multiple entities." I do not see that such structures contained only within the human mind to be necessarily universally applicable. meaning that i see it, from our perspective, that the universe actually exists as multiple entities making up a single entity (as is the basis for every perceptually defined system to me). Our perspective, in its totality, is an independent (but not separate) part of a system, much like galaxies. It may seem like semantics, but perhaps you will understand the experiential difference i am trying to convey. that can always be the trick, right?

Starting at the end, if there was one single entity and I am not saying that there is not, then it would in fact have to trick itself into believing there was more than one entity in order for it to exist in at least a self observable and aware way.

It would actually have to rely on it's ability to confuse itself to exist, survive, be, and thrive.

Let us look at the Law of One, yet if there is but One why would it need a law? To police itself? Who would enforce that law? The very same entity that broke it.

The Law of One is actually confusion, the determination then of the One to confuse itself into not acknowledging that just one exists.

For if only one thing existed it would have no way to explain it's own existence since nothing else gave birth to it.

It would also be terribly lonely.

So the law of one which is the law of confusion basically requires a perpetual state of confusion.

Why I asked Brian this is to see if he understood this, if he believes there is but one, but believes it from his own perspective, then in order to sustain the universe itself, the one would have to challenge if he is the one, or submit to the process of reverse math where the infinite boils back down to just one number and then eventually 0.

The universe ordering itself out of existence.

Brian doesn't understand these concepts well enough to state them, and he actually doesn't have the power to declare or make himself the one, because that would have to include quite frankly being able to convince and consume me in that process.

Brian in fact is so far away from even begining to understand this concept that he is actually now denying 'access' to himself, in essence making it impossible for the one thing he claims to want to do and that is to create and be the one which would in fact require absorbing every other into them.

Simply put Brian doesn't seem to understand the things he is just more or less recycling for attention.

I myself would not admit to there being just one, since it would mean I am the one, and there are no others, or I was simply part of another and not am, with either eventually leading on a path to none and zero as the divisions originally created by the one fold back onto the one as it finally realizes there are in fact no others, and that it's impossible for it to exist as one as a result.

One is the loneliest number that there ever was.