.....Next level......

Has not much to say - just wanted to send you all my love, respect and appreciation.
I relate to so many of your posts, and I just realize we are in the midge of something amazing, something truly amazing beyond borders.
Actually it makes me shake all over, when I realize how amazing this is!!!!!
Thankyou!!!!!

I recommend listening to youtube: innervoice222 its time (a)-(j)(iv)

Love and respect

PS my mother is still getting better!!!!

Originally posted by etherical waterwave
normaly I got tired while reading long posts but this one I could. You seem to be knowing brianegan.

You're out there

We are brothers.

Entrance granted. Feel welcome......It has just begun.......I think I have a few things still up these sleeves. lol....

thank you for the kind words.....

reply to post by laffoe


Did you truley believe that the day wouldnt come. I find that hard to believe with so much hope in this world we see.

The time has come and it is happening NOW.

Ok...so I just happened on this thread...and am a little surprised to the gut reaction I had to it. Some things you wrote literally took my breath away, almost feeling like someone punched me in the gut...kinda like you do when you think you've successfully blocked everyone out of your deepest inner thoughts then BAM! someone, when you least expect it, jumps up and nails exactly what it is that's been weighing on your heart and keeping you stagnant. I've been on a pretty intense journey the past five years, and I really feel I've recently had a breakthrough. However, I know, KNOW, that I can and NEED to move further along this path, partly evidenced by the outstanding synchronicities I have experienced and feeling that there is so much more, right within my reach...but something keeps holding me back. And I believe it is fear. I believe that there is fear within me related to what my potential is. How can you want (need) something so strongly & yet part of you keeps sabotaging the momentum?
Honestly, my mind is a little jumbled at the moment and I can't seem to find the words to clearly express what it is I feel I need to say. I've not read your other posts that you refer to, but I will now. I am intrigued, and I am without a doubt 'feeling' what you're saying. Thank you. I feel that reading this has positively impacted me, and I appreciate you putting it out there.
Pisces

Originally posted by pisces77
Ok...so I just happened on this thread...and am a little surprised to the gut reaction I had to it. Some things you wrote literally took my breath away, almost feeling like someone punched me in the gut...kinda like you do when you think you've successfully blocked everyone out of your deepest inner thoughts then BAM! someone, when you least expect it, jumps up and nails exactly what it is that's been weighing on your heart and keeping you stagnant. I've been on a pretty intense journey the past five years, and I really feel I've recently had a breakthrough. However, I know, KNOW, that I can and NEED to move further along this path, partly evidenced by the outstanding synchronicities I have experienced and feeling that there is so much more, right within my reach...but something keeps holding me back. And I believe it is fear. I believe that there is fear within me related to what my potential is. How can you want (need) something so strongly & yet part of you keeps sabotaging the momentum?
Honestly, my mind is a little jumbled at the moment and I can't seem to find the words to clearly express what it is I feel I need to say. I've not read your other posts that you refer to, but I will now. I am intrigued, and I am without a doubt 'feeling' what you're saying. Thank you. I feel that reading this has positively impacted me, and I appreciate you putting it out there.
Pisces

Its because you are just that smart. believe it. The journey never ends. Its truely amazing to be able to keep growing no matter how great we become....Please take some time, if you will, and visit the other threads beggining with "stuck in a dream".....

Do stray too far from us because you are welcome here. We already know you anyway so there will never be that akward time. Really its easy. You cant hide from yourself and we are all one.

Please leave your wisdom as your travel the threads if that is what you chose to do.

Thank you

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by Brianegan

 

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

INDEED

reply to post by Brianegan


no never and i never believed in them as well now it wont shut off my mind is seeing 2d in a 3d world as soon as i see symbols i was looking at google earth and i saw the tree of life and it was like a switch had turned on with loads of information in just symbols and i saw a sphere that seemed to be providing the information in my vision along with lots of maps this made me very weak after these insights but this information is coming in audio, video,and images i pride myself on being a very sane person this is very concerning.....

Originally posted by thesoundofbass
reply to post by Brianegan

 

no never and i never believed in them as well now it wont shut off my mind is seeing 2d in a 3d world as soon as i see symbols i was looking at google earth and i saw the tree of life and it was like a switch had turned on with loads of information in just symbols and i saw a sphere that seemed to be providing the information in my vision along with lots of maps this made me very weak after these insights but this information is coming in audio, video,and images i pride myself on being a very sane person this is very concerning.....

May I request that as they come in for you to either post them in here or begin a thread and let us know when it is updated.

Seers are few.

Originally posted by Brianegan
There you are I see you now. You were hiding from me.

it's a dance... .

only meant that if one was in school learning lesson in other words one would be getting groomed. Usually I am speaking about a positive thing that can be misrepresented. I do understand but I also stand by my words....

I accept & respect that.

I don't like the words 'school' or 'groomed' but I do really really like the word 'ineffable' and until I recently learnt the word, I didn't have one to explain many things.

I think expanding vocabulary many times is key to communicating further depths of understanding.
One might gain an ever-deepening understanding but not be able to communicate it to anyone, self included.

I am very carefully calculated in my movements and an expansion is possible and does happen but not that easy.

never is it would seem; while we're 'trying' anyway, it usually seems surrendering is a quicker option but while I know you say there are no wrongs; lets put it another way - sometimes that route asks for too much too quickly. Its easy to philosophise though.

Logically if I would need to alter my views to accept what you say then in turn that is the definition of off topic.....I was pointing out the humor in it is all.

Well you didn't say anything that wasn't true, and I can see the humour now, but when I consciously act to learn more of these 'things' its usually a hit & miss affair, can't dilly dally with one thing for too long, if it clicks it clicks sooner than later. Also I think it's comical to talk of off or on topic when we can't be certain what exactly we're talking about anyway by very nature of the topic..whatever it is

Dont give up on me already

I didn't but ok

Hows this then, where are your getting you information?

for me its dreams & vague memories & a couple of unexplainable moments; which pertain to conversations & encounters had that can't be explained very well with my sparse recollection & the words I know.

P.L.U.R.I
-B.M

P.S) perhaps this whole thing equates to just another banana... I don't mean to rock the boat but I think protoplasmic travellers last post made a lot of sense and I will also say this; I think that things are happening in this year now that we've been waiting for a long time & we'd best pay attention & hold fast to clarity, all of us. It's just a feeling I've had lately.

reply to post by Brianegan

......shh they might hear you......Please try to be aware of what type of energy you are sending out.

So in other words you have no explanation for the questionable use of such words as 'grooming' and 'training' and if one is not likely to become an acolyte it best to avoid those hard questions, and to simply insinuate that someone is being negative for some nefarious purpose, by saying something as ambiguous and vague as the above statement.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Brianegan

 

......shh they might hear you......Please try to be aware of what type of energy you are sending out.

So in other words you have no explanation for the questionable use of such words as 'grooming' and 'training' and if one is not likely to become an acolyte it best to avoid those hard questions, and to simply insinuate that someone is being negative for some nefarious purpose, by saying something as ambiguous and vague as the above statement.

Do you mind I offer my take on this one?

Think about how your life was before you knew this website, or even knew anything about the presented topics here. Think about how your view on the world was back then.
Why did you think that way?
Who taught you to think that way?
Why does the majority of people still think that way?
Maybe because they (we) all where trained and groomed to act and believe a certain way? It's the way of humanity. maybe...

His statement to you is not vague at all.. it's a hint.
Do you like exploring truth? Keep the hint in mind then. Just at least give it a second thought before dismissing it as a negative statement, there's no harm in that

reply to post by GypsK


People are prone to make a lot of assumptions, sometimes very incorrect ones.

In 1976 at the age of 13 when the state was in fact trying to brainwash me and train me and groom me, I happened to be one of the very few people to stand right up and accuse it of such and to not sit back down and roll over.

I am not going to get in to the many battles or sacrifices I made in order to do that.

In part because those battles and sacrifices have not ended and likely will not as long as I inhabit this dimension and realm.

Banished from school at the age of 14 by mutual agreement between the State and my Parents, neither having any hope at being able to effect my thinking and gain control over me, after both had exhausted every remedy at their disposal only to find my resolve always greater than theirs, I have walked my own path and followed the beat of my own drum and fought the government every step of the way, the Powers that Be on occassion, and even some things most people would have trouble believing exist.

Is Brian going to help train and groom me for something?

Surely you jest!

Those are fighting words, those are the words of a would be Master looking for a would be slave.

Brian has sought to establish a sort of primacy that I for one don't believe he has enough depth to him yet to wear the mantle of.

He might want to look at this as a learning experience and an opportunity to grow.

Bottom line is enlightment can't be taught, can't be groomed, can't be trained, it can only be achieved through observation, awareness of all that exists around you, and self realization.

If it's not natural, if it doesn't occur naturally, then it's not natural, it's instilled, instilled through grooming and training and who ever is doing the grooming and training is always looking for one thing and that's people to listen to them, obey them, and praise them, and follow them.

It's one thing to share experiences with people, it's another to offer them advice you consider helpful, it's another thing too, to say, you know I am not sure about this but I think...or maybe, or I wonder...

When you start dishing out absolutes though you really ought to be absolutely sure what you are saying is correct.

Thanks for the reply,
I get what your saying, I truely do.

But I personally don't feel like there is a lot of grooming going on in the presented ideas. That said, if you think you are observing a 'wannabe goeroe' and you fear what he might be putting into your head by only listening, then don't listen.
For those of us who have been on a similar journey and find recognition in these threads, it's all not so far fetched.
Then again, each walks his personal path his own way with his own experiences and these experiences of our own are still the most important to learn from, not those of others, but they are good material to study and find the missing pieces of our pesonal puzzles.
For all I know your experiences may be entirely different and far more effective then mine.
Who knows?

reply to post by GypsK


I defended Brian on the front page when it came to those not even wanting to consider what he has to say.

However I did consider what he has to say, knowing more than a 'bit' regarding the things he is talking about.

Some things caused concern and I brought those up and they weren't answered to my satisfaction, from there it's gone down hill further.

It's about what 'rings true' and what doesn't.

I have some concerns they haven't been addressed well.

That's on Brian not on me.

It's great that you wan't to 'defend' him, and offer me 'advice' but trust me when I say the questions could have been answered directly and well by someone claiming to have the knowledge that Brian does.

Brian didn't have empathy for my concerns, Brian had concern simply about Brian and how my questions might effect Brian.

I am by the way someone many are inclined to consider when he decides to share something.

It's easy to preach to the choir, it's winning over the critical minds where the challenge lies.

To do that your message must be clear, concise, well thought out and presented and you had better be able to honestly address questions, when honest questions have been put to you.

Brians failures aren't my own, please stop suggesting that they are.

Thanks.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by GypsK

 

It's great that you wan't to 'defend' him, and offer me 'advice' but trust me when I say the questions could have been answered directly and well by someone claiming to have the knowledge that Brian does.
...

Brians failures aren't my own, please stop suggesting that they are.

wow you have totally misinterpreted my post to you.

I'm not defending anyone, I'm simply stating my Personal feelings towards the content of his threads.
Haven't I just said that we all walk our path our own way? By this I am simply defending myself and my Freedom to at least consider the information, not you no'r Brian. It also meant that by aknowledging that, I respect your opinion of the whole matter.
Don't look for things in my posts that aren't there!

where on earth did I suggest that his failures are yours as well? Where are you reading that in my post?

reply to post by GypsK

But I personally don't feel like there is a lot of grooming going on in the presented ideas. That said, if you think you are observing a 'wannabe goeroe' and you fear what he might be putting into your head by only listening, then don't listen.

This is pretty much where.

Do I fear what Brian is putting in my head? Should I be 'silent' in the face of something that concerns me? Should in the course of a debate or exchange I accept someone putting me off with a quick deflection to attempt to put their inability to answer a question honestly and intelligently back on to me?

Frankly these are all things between the Original Poster and I, It is not that I am disinterested in what you 'feel' regarding the presented ideas, rather I am much more interested in the presenter being able to fully complete his thoughts and explain them in concise rational ways.

You are in essence attempting to do what Brian was afraid to do, in his failure to fully explain himself.

If we were a couple Christians sitting around arguing over an interpretation of the Bible that would be one thing, however Brian is neither dead, nor incapable of answering for himself.

Why not just patiently wait to see if Brian can redeem himself.

Believe me when I say he is the only one who can.

Thanks.

all I offered was my own interpretation of the topic,
If you arn't interested in it then so be it, I have no desire of forcing it down anyones throat.

I'm also not trying to 'explain' what Brian didn't explain but merely trying to fill the gaps out of my own interpretation. Last time I checked this was a discussion forum, I didnt think anyone would hold it against me if I posted my take on the topic.
Besides, I think Brian is a big enough boy and doesn't need me or anyone else to do the talking for him. Not what I was trying to do either.

Anyway, I'll leave it at that... hope you get the reply, from Brian, you are demanding for.

reply to post by GypsK


It is said "If you want to upgrade the quality of your life you must first upgrade the quality of your questions".

This means realizing when you have been given an incomplete, partial or other non-informative answer and sticking with that question, rephrasing it when necessary until you actually get a real answer.

Communication is key to healthy relationships of all kinds, and some might argue more than anything that what this planet lacks is good communication between the leaders and the people.

A story, pitch, or proposal is in fact only as good as the person telling it, if they don't share it at all, well it can't effect anyone, if they share it but communicate it poorly it could never be as effective as sharing it and communicating it well.

If you are the one listening to that, only you know whether it's been communicated well, only you know if your questions have been fully answered.

Is the world well served when a press secretary to an important politician can give partial and incomplete answers to soft ball reporters who then virtually leave us in the dark while aiding a propganda machine?

Or would it be better off for instance if one of the reporters said "No Mr. Secretary my paper or channel won't report that answer, because it doesn't answer the question which is once again ...."

Yes I tend to insist on real answers to my real questions and tend to know when those answers have not touched on the main concerns the question was posed to seek additional clarification on.

I really am asking the Original Poster for a reason, it's a valid reason, and that is all part of a discussion.

No need to make that 'all about you'.

From what I've read of GypsK's post she is more than capable of being critical, making up her own mind and ask questions of high quality.
To that she spreads an inspiring energy of curiosity.
Dialogue is important, it is like a dance, for a constructive dialogue to unfold a common melody is needed.
Imho that is what we do here… Finding common ground.
I'll stand up for Brianegan or GypsK anytime, not because they are always right but because I know their intensions to be pure and good.
I have chosen to align with that exploration into the unknown, becaise these are trusted people.
I've used my discernment and I might be wrong, but I tell you my friend then I'm wrong with the whole of my heart.

Love and respect

reply to post by laffoe


I am not looking for endorsements or pledges of allegiance my friend, rather instead some real answers to some real questions.

Hero worship and those thinking with the heart, and the language of emotion really is not an evolution of any kind but the same revolving door mankind has been cycling through again and again to disaster after disaster war after war from the dawn of recorded history.

A new system built on the same old constructs is in fact not an exploration into the unknown at all, except for those who don't know history and human nature well at all who are more prone to think with their heart instead of their mind.

It is simply more of the same old, same old.

I am concerned to see this being espoused by someone claiming to have superior insight, wisdom and experience.

Hence the questions put to them, honest and direct answers expected of them.

Keep in mind what is unknown to you might be well or entirely known by me as well as others.

Thanks.