Qur'an burning free speech in America?

reply to post by YouSir
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Interesting.

I suggest you get a new thesauras...

Sheeesh

I don't have time to burn a Quran because I am too busy focusing on loving the Lord my God with all of my heart, all of my soul, all of my mind and all of my strength.

I cannot focus on hating my neighbor (yes, Biblically speaking those of the Muslim faith are of Abrahamic roots and therefore are my neighbors) because want to learn how to love my neighbor as myself.

As a Christian, hatred and book burning would take away from these two aforementioned tasks. To do so would be like burning my own Bible. I would rather set myself on fire:

If you don't agree, fine. That is your choice. You have freewill. Use it as you deem necessary, so long as you bring no harm to anyone. Is it that difficult, people?

As for ANY book regarding faith, John Wesley had some pretty good words to pass along:

Beware you be not swallowed up in books! An ounce of love is worth a pound of knowledge!

This link pretty much sums it up for me:

why waste a good box of matches!

Originally posted by arbitrarygeneraiist
reply to post by MikeboydUS

 

Sorry, but calling that act a breach of peace seems laughable to me. What worth is a peace that is so tenuous that a nation has to alter it's way of life in order to accommodate a group of people on foreign soil because we fear being murdered over the slightest misstep?

If you ask me, all this incident reveals is that the world isn't yet ready for peace. The crusades, religious conflicts, misc wars, etc aren't quite yet ready to end, and humanity isn't yet ready to mature.

As someone said, live free or die. But realistically humanity is just going to die because of all of this immature, selfish crap.

edit on 5-4-2011 by arbitrarygeneraiist because: (no reason given)

The world is never going to be ready for peace.

Humans are violent and aggressive creatures.

Its about maintaining stable relations and stability in the world. It has to be to stable enough to maintain world trade and prevent another world war.

Islam is the largest and fastest growing religion on earth. They are not going anywhere and we have to deal with it like it or not.

If we ignore that and we continue down a path of selfish expression at the expense of global stability, we will see a gigadeath war within a generation.

Is it worth it?

After having a good nights sleep and having time to thing about this topic, another issue on the side track came up. Many of us like to read, and read different things. If, as the original article stated they should curtail the freedom of speech and open that door, and it is not just the freedom of speech that is at stake, but also the freedom of the press and the ability to read what all we desire to read. Consider this, if you curtail the freedom of speech, what is to stop the federal government from going the next step and stating what can and can not be printed? How many works of literature would be affected, all cause one group finds something offensive to read or even remotely hear about? After all even in recent days, there are works of fiction that different groups have found offensive and has demanded that be removed from the shelves of libraries and schools, thus starting to boarder on censorship. This is where the curtailing of the freedom of speech ultimately leads to. So it starts with denying one act, only to harm the greater by denying the expression of a new idea.

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by YouSir

 

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Interesting.

I suggest you get a new thesauras...

Sheeesh

Ummm...................Actually, perhaps I should first get.......an........thesauras, although, if I did that then it would certainly be new......at least to me........
Oh......BTW........I was'nt counting you........amongst the herd...however if you desire to walk that mile, then wallow away.......I had actually pigeon-holed you as one of the few........photon emitters, in this thread.......

YouSir

Originally posted by YouSir

Originally posted by romanmel
reply to post by YouSir

 

Interesting.

I suggest you get a new thesauras...

Sheeesh

Ummm............

.......Actually, perhaps I should first get.......an........thesauras, although, if I did that then it would certainly be new......at least to me

........
Oh......BTW........I was'nt counting you........amongst the herd...however if you desire to walk that mile, then wallow away.......I had actually pigeon-holed you as one of the few........photon emitters, in this thread

.......

YouSir

Oh....OK

Then I take back all the negative implications and evil thoughts left unsaid.

You are a fine insightful chum.

Carry on.

reply to post by Griffo


Well thats becuase the man was arrested and didnt know the law ! Common law , Acts and statutes arent Law .
you can read more into this by searching for the peoples united community.

The government would have you believe that acts and statutes are law , when they are in actual fact , nothing more than a way to generate revenue for the country at the expense of dumb citizens who dont know the law.
It's slavery and daylight robbery .

However that is for another thread !

I just dont understand islam or any other religion for that matter, I have read extensively into religions of our world , yet they all seem to claim they have the answer , when no human can say that they have the answer or that any system or belief holds the answer , when we as humans should realise that even if we did have an answer our brains couldnt comprehend it in the first place.

I'd like to point out that humans are violent by nature its our primal instinct , however the reason we arent ready for peace is because we havent evolved enough. I believe that humans have evolved physically to the point we cant go any further , save for the loss of a pinky here or there !
I think humans need to develop our minds more , through some form of social evolution , I do also think that this process can be enahanced through psychotropic drugs , much like shamans used !

Anyone is free to do anything they want without harming others. This however, does not exempt burning anyone's religious texts. We live in America and we are free to do as we choose. The killings of the UN personnel happened in Afghanistan and not In America and as callous as it may sound, we could have done nothing to stop them from happening by curbing our freedoms. We've sacrificed too much, our civil liberties, our freedoms-all in the name of security. I think it's about time other nations do the right thing-to stand up against fear and look it in the eye and never flinch.

Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by Tecumte

 

Im not being funny here, but America is the very centre of Globalism, because it is a capitalist mecca. The only reason globalism is desired by the elite is that it would open more nations up to be bought and sold like tokens on a game board.
America is already for sale, already capitalist. It is the money followers adgenda that seeks one world and one governance, and no one else.

I agree for the most part if I understand you correctly, but too the "Globalism" I'm speaking of is TOTALITARIAN in nature, it doesn't care if it uses 'capitalism', 'communism', 'fasicm' or any 'ism' to achieve it's goals' of 100 control of the world, it's resources and it's people being put under the thumb of a very small minority of very well financed intertwined 'crime families' who have been building and extending their totalitarian reach for generations. American citizens by and large disagree with this, while much of the so called' leadership' has sold out to the highest bidder. 'Free Speech' is a danger to all totalitarian power mad tyrants whether they be in China, the U.S. or the U.K. When I see the Orwellian world being created in the U.K. I'm pretty sure that is the nature of the 'Globalist's eventual End Game plan for the world. Fortunately we still have some semblence of a Bill of Rights left here in the U.S. to create a buffer against these schemers, but forces within AND without the U.S. are working night and day to destroy it. Look how many people like D. Rockefeller (one of many) made their fortunes off of 'capitalism' (though monopolism really) and they have praise for people like Mao and the extermination and communism he embraced. This is the plan and any means to achieve it appear to be on the table and being employed.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS

Originally posted by arbitrarygeneraiist
reply to post by MikeboydUS

 

Sorry, but calling that act a breach of peace seems laughable to me. What worth is a peace that is so tenuous that a nation has to alter it's way of life in order to accommodate a group of people on foreign soil because we fear being murdered over the slightest misstep?

If you ask me, all this incident reveals is that the world isn't yet ready for peace. The crusades, religious conflicts, misc wars, etc aren't quite yet ready to end, and humanity isn't yet ready to mature.

As someone said, live free or die. But realistically humanity is just going to die because of all of this immature, selfish crap.

edit on 5-4-2011 by arbitrarygeneraiist because: (no reason given)

The world is never going to be ready for peace.

Humans are violent and aggressive creatures.

Its about maintaining stable relations and stability in the world. It has to be to stable enough to maintain world trade and prevent another world war.

Islam is the largest and fastest growing religion on earth. They are not going anywhere and we have to deal with it like it or not.

If we ignore that and we continue down a path of selfish expression at the expense of global stability, we will see a gigadeath war within a generation.

Is it worth it?

Freedom is sure worth it. That islam is the fatest growing religion doesn't change that.
However, feel free to surrender your personal freedoms because you have fear of what muslims would do.

Free will results in consequences which you must be able to accept or defend yourself from.

Ok, I haven't seen anyone make this point yet....

How is it that no one in the US was aware of this, "under the radar," book burning....yet the Afghans flipped out and started murdering people?

If this was somehow broadcast to the entire Muslim world .....why was there only violence in Afghanistan?

C'mon people, what am I missing here, and how can I be the first to notice this?

What does this say about the nature of the entire story?

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


There are instances where free speech can hurt someone. Say for instance the classic "Shout fire in crowded area X".

Then there are instances where the free speech only hurts someone because they let it. Like book burning. This is not the same as the first example. If the speech just hurts your feelings, well thats your problem but its covered by free speech.

If someone takes action because their "feelings are hurt", well they are the criminal, not the speaker.

Originally posted by Boxman
Ok, I haven't seen anyone make this point yet....

How is it that no one in the US was aware of this, "under the radar," book burning....yet the Afghans flipped out and started murdering people?

In truth, this was covered quite a bit before the burning did take place, there was speculation that the planned action would trigger hostility and potentially American deaths. In the past weeks though there was so much stuff going on in the Middle East that the burning did create only a small bump in our media. Until the killings, of course.

Yep, of course this things do get coverage there. I assume they also show graphic footage of civilian deaths which were collateral damage of the Predator strikes, and we don't see it either, here in the US.

I was kind of thinking this too, since it seems they have been trying to undermine free speech and other liberties subtlety for a long time, im wondering if this is just another piece of their play book.

Whos to say the book burning is REALLY the reason they attacked the embassy, maybe they are just angry that we are there in the first place (we'd do the same thing if they had bases here) and the media uses the burning as a ploy.

Originally posted by Boxman
Ok, I haven't seen anyone make this point yet....

How is it that no one in the US was aware of this, "under the radar," book burning....yet the Afghans flipped out and started murdering people?

If this was somehow broadcast to the entire Muslim world .....why was there only violence in Afghanistan?

C'mon people, what am I missing here, and how can I be the first to notice this?

What does this say about the nature of the entire story?

Is Afghanistan the only place we have an embassy that's surrounded by Muslims?

Are Afghan muslims naturally more violence-prone than other Muslims?

There's something seriously wrong with the ENTIRE story.

Originally posted by Boxman
Is Afghanistan the only place we have an embassy that's surrounded by Muslims?

Are Afghan muslims naturally more violence-prone than other Muslims?

There's something seriously wrong with the ENTIRE story.

What is "seriously wrong" is that the USA is occupying their country.

They want us out and our government is not willing to leave.

Why? The heroin trade which the CIA makes mucho bucks from. Our soldiers are needed to protect the poppy fields.

OK, I'm with'ya on that. I agree, it most likely had nothing to do with the yokel in Florida......but we are meant to think it did.

That's what I'm saying.

reply to post by romanmel


This thread is about book burning and American rights, not western intervention in the middle east, though the two subjects are somewhat intertwined. You might as well just accept the fact that American soldiers are there, and are not going anywhere soon, there is nothing anyone can do about it at this point.

Personally, I don't care too much anymore about it. You can play holier than thou all day and say how wrong the America is for this or that, but its not going to stop someone from pulling the trigger if they have a gun pointed at you. America is not overseas committing mass genocide and raping peoples wives and children. The military is over there for a purpose which is capitalistic and not sinister in nature, there is no reason or profit in committing atrocious acts against random 'peasants'. Though people are human and I'm sure there are some crazy American soldiers, middle easterners are by far more violent and barbaric than Americans, which is why the guise of 'helping them' to become a more stable, modernized society works so well and could actually be the right thing to do, if it was being done.

If you truly want these wars to end and are not just trolling, you better start convincing some of your fellow Americans, who as of now are just as blissfully ignorant as people say and could care less what our boys do to some religious nutcases thousands of miles away. In fact it seems like a significant part of the population would rather wipe them off the face of the Earth, go to any redneck bar and start saying anything in support of the 'terrorists', you will get stomped and the local police will probably ignore it.

I don't know you can call me insensitive or ignorant or whatever you want, despite our government and its mischievous schemes I still believe this is the greatest country on Earth, and in my book Americans come before anybody else any day of the week, in peace and in war.