Are you a "targeted individual" or a paranoid schizophrenic?

originally posted by: Daughter2
And yes, apparently, the government DOES have money to waste spying on everyone.....www.pbs.org...
"There was a similar program for reading e-mails and looking at other Internet content, and then there were two programs that went after records and logs of communications, call detail records that showed who was calling who and when and from what devices. And those were being collected on every single American, and the similar stuff for e-mails and Internet chats and voice-over Internet."

Collecting data traffic with a computer is a far far cry from having teams of CIA agents stalking individuals with mind control ray guns.

a reply to: Bedlam
I've run out of motivation to try to help those who refuse to want it. May the multitudes be blessed to find there way to mental, emotional and social peace.

originally posted by: sanitizedinfo
a reply to: Bedlam

Yes. Yes I do.

Citation needed. Look, I design this sort of thing. And your phone is not a spectrum analyzer. It just doesn't have the hardware. Name the app you did it with.

And i have 4 witnesses to my experiences who have been communicated to by the voice of a benevolent being I heard for a time, look up what 15500 hz can do, hint silent sound..

There's nothing special about 15kHz. And...there you go! If it's sound, it's not EM. 15kHz isn't even "silent" for young people, I could hear it before my Army days. Alas, now I can't hear up that high due to age and loud noises, and top out about 12kHz.

BTW, "silent sound" is another bit of bs woo-fiction.

"Communicated to by the voice of a benevolent being"? OOOOOk.

a reply to: Bedlam

I refuse to say anything more. Bedlam you need to realize that everything talks no matter what it is. Just because you. Can't hear it means you are not of interest to those beings that let us. Im not crazy, insane, or I'll, but minds like yours make me leave the room.

This thread has unfortunately, imo, now descended into what most of these threads on this topic end up becoming: Fragmented argumentation between sets of people on peripheral issues tangentially, at best, related to the original topic, displaced and projected anger doing no one any good at all and certainly not serving the topic in any way whatsoever, and discourse over what is woo and what is science--somewhat useful, but usually used to totally debunk said topic.

Where is the OP, who might direct the scope of the convo to keep things going in a somewhat directed manner?
There is no longer any point in participating.
Good luck to those sticking around.

a reply to: Bedlam

a reply to: Daughter2

Allow me to thank and congratulate you for actually posting some reliable data on this thread. I believe you are the first to have done so.

The paper you posted clearly proves — as any sensible person would expect — that the authorities do take reports of stalking and harrassment seriously. According to the paper you posted, the police took some action in four out of five cases reported to them (see p.9, table 14).

I find it very interesting that only about two out of five stalking cases in the study were reported to the police (pp.8-9, table 14). This leads me to wonder how many of the claimed victims were actually victims at all. The people conducting the study did not (because, obviously, they could not) seek to verify whether or not the complaints of stalking and harrassment were valid. They treated all reports as valid reports.

Also interesting is the fact that in about three out of four cases, the complainant knew the stalker personally (see box on p.1). So — even if the other reported cases were genuine and not delusions or hoaxes, the number of potential TIs and gangstalking victims falls to about 1.1 million people, or 0.037% of the US population.

Even more interestingly, schizophrenia affects 1.1% of the US population.

Thank you, again, for producing data that amply bears out my contention. I will repeat it: saving the exceptions mentioned in my earlier post, all claims of 'gangstalking' and being a 'targeted individual' are based on fantasy and delusion. In fact, the data you supplied amply answer the OP's question, and lay this thread to rest.

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Now, allow me to address your discourteous little preamble.

And exactly what makes you believe that police are experts in this type of thing? Let's see, you saw what cops did on Law and Order?

I don't believe, I know. The knowledge comes from a lifetime of experience that includes interactions with the police in many countries, including my own. To whom else does one go to to report a robbery, lost identity papers, a missing dog?

Many years ago, in Romsey, a tiny village near Southampton in England, two stranded hitch-hikers were allowed, very much against police regulations, to spend the night in a cell at the local station. It was a filthy night and there was no other accommodation to be had, so the hikers, in desperation, went to the only place still showing a light at 11pm. The constables' only stipulation was that the hitch-hikers had to leave before 5am, because that was when the shift changed and the night-duty officers didn't want to be caught breaking a standing rule when the day shift came in to take over.

How do I know this? I was one of the hitch-hikers. And by the way, I don't watch television.

a reply to: tetra50

The OP - Skyfloating - first started this thread in 2011...over three years ago.

It's possible their life offline just took precedence for the time being.

But I agree, we all need to find a way to stay on topic and discuss this without resorting to personal attacks on each other's credentials and culpability in regards to the subject at hand.

originally posted by: sanitizedinfo
a reply to: Bedlam

Great! It's a sound analyzer. It doesn't pick up EM. Has nothing to do with EM. It's sound. Sound is not EM. In any way.

And that peak? It's a standard CRT sweep frequency...were you near an old CRT TV? They fill the room with 15.575 kHz audio by magnetostriction of the yoke and flyback cores. Also ceramic caps in the horizontal section often "sing" at that frequency, especially if they're cheap, like Z5U.

originally posted by: sanitizedinfo
a reply to: Bedlam

I refuse to say anything more. Bedlam you need to realize that everything talks no matter what it is. Just because you. Can't hear it means you are not of interest to those beings that let us. Im not crazy, insane, or I'll, but minds like yours make me leave the room.

You think everything is talking to you? I concede in a sort of Carlos Casteneda way that things have stories to tell us, but not verbally, in general.

a reply to: Astyanax

The so called action taken by the police was nothing more than a report.
Which to victims is pretty much means no action at all. Filling out paper work certainly isn't an investigation and provides no protection to the victim.
I certainly wouldn't classify it as serious.

It's also shows there's a clear automatic assumption of the validity of a claim - and that assumption usually is nothing more needs to be done. Police can and do get it wrong.

I'm sure some claims are not true, as in any criminal allegation but you certainly can't say EVERYONE who is gangstalked is crazy.

While I understand your views are colored by your positive experience with the police and government - please realize this isn't the case in many other areas. Just because you didn't experience it doesn't mean it isn't real.

My views are based on growing up in corrupt Chicago - it was called the Chicago machine because they mafia, police and judges all worked together. By the way, many mob members would accuse their victims of being delusional. After all, the text books used the example of accusation of the mafia as delusional thinking. It happened to a relative of mine. Some of the people involved eventually went to jail but having people like you who refuse to believe anything outside their experiences allowed horrific crimes to continue for a very long time.

While some claims may not be true automatic assumptions are more dangerous.

a reply to: Astyanax
Understand that most such suspicions will NEVER be reported to 'the authorities', as...one of the most likely 'suspects' IS...'the authorities'.
I have an intimate and longstanding (life-long) relationship with "the Law" and "Law Enforcement"...(not to omit Psychology)
There is nothing special about their abilities or training...that pertains to the phenomena under discussion, here.

I was urged to see a "Psycho-Analyst"...
I said "I'm not going unless he knows something about me & my 'case', beforehand."
So - I wrote a 33 page synopsis...and sent it to his office, via email attachment (Microsoft Word).
Before agreeing to the meeting, I asked if he had read it... He said "Yes."...and that he believed he could help.
The day of the appointment...sitting in the waiting room, my spouse was called into his office...before me.
She emerged and said - "He hasn't read it, yet... Says he lost it... They're trying to find it... But - he's ready to see you."
I started to walk out...but was desperately (almost hysterically) compelled to see him anyway.
After twenty to thirty minutes, where he asked questions that were ALL answered in the synopsis...he said - "I can give you a prescription that will make this all go away...if you want it to..."
I said - "No thanks!" --- and walked away.
Professional!
Expert!
Trained!
Means SH*T!

a reply to: Bedlam

The thing is this...
Light poles beeped at me, regular cars sound sirens, voices sometimes come from TV's and cb radios, even music. I've heard warnings from local police and international psychotronics system tell me to stop ruining my connection.

originally posted by: sanitizedinfo
a reply to: Bedlam

The thing is this...
Light poles beeped at me, regular cars sound sirens, voices sometimes come from TV's and cb radios, even music. I've heard warnings from local police and international psychotronics system tell me to stop ruining my connection.

Well, I'd actually expect voices to come from TVs and CB radios. Even music.

Sometimes car sirens go off. And I'll have to say I've never heard a light pole beep.

Not sure what the last sentence parses out as. You mean policemen, or a police scanner? And "international psychotronics system"? What might that be?

If you think TVs and CB radios are talking to you (other than the obvious, where you're talking to someone on the CB first...) it's all going to go back to you hearing things. Thinking the TV is addressing you in particular is a classic example of delusions of reference. If you think that songs on the radio are addressing you, personally, it's time to get some help.

My old neighbor and occasional babysitter was PS. When Mike went off his meds, he saw ninjas in the trees and the sink drains and light sockets talked to him. They didn't, really, but he sure thought they did. And I imagine that would be really scary. It wasn't some magic perception of the beyond, it was a chemical imbalance in his head. Once they settled his meds down, he was ok.

100% with you.

a reply to: tetra50

a reply to: Skyfloating

Well if I say targeted then I am a paranoid skitz. If I say I am a PS then.....I am a PS.

a reply to: Bedlam

Think logicly for just a minute. Yes TV and cb project voices in the speaker, those "normal" sounds are heard by others, what I hear is both the normal sound and an interwoven hetrodyned announcement of some kind using the same normal sound. TVs used to yell at me using a stadium voice sound. It matches perfect timing with any one of many sound inflections. Your trying hard to force me to accept something that I know is false, please just understand I know I'm an electronic harassment victim.

originally posted by: [post=18512840]

My old neighbor and occasional babysitter was PS. When Mike went off his meds, he saw ninjas in the trees and the sink drains and light sockets talked to him. They didn't, really, but he sure thought they did. And I imagine that would be really scary. It wasn't some magic perception of the beyond, it was a chemical imbalance in his head. Once they settled his meds down, he was ok.

The target game is different. The target starts picking things up, as it were, its not going to be ninjas in the trees and light sockets talking ect.

1st thing a target has to understand is that there is a reason, there must be a reason, and the target knows what it is. Like lets say someone got sideways of the Church of Scientology. Well they may have and elaborate series of games in store. Knowing the specific purpose or a close proximity thereof of the harassment/investigation sure helps the subject cope. In these cases its not a matter of seeing ninjas in the trees for the subject.

I will say that even for the most open minded that these types of things go on there would still be shock at the level and capacity these harassers/investigators use and have at their disposal.

originally posted by: Logarock

The target game is different. The target starts picking things up, as it were, its not going to be ninjas in the trees and light sockets talking ect.

Yeah, but old sanitizedinfo here is hearing special voices from TV and people's stomachs. That's not *quite* the same as pissing off the Scientologists.

a reply to: Bedlam

Right. I am saying it should be relatively easy to ascertain mental illness cases from actual harassment victims.

I have know a PS or two and one thing they all have in common to some degree are levels of manufacture of reasons and reality ect. Like the Heavens Gate guy. I knew a lady that was certain the government was spying on her but there was no connection.....and she certainly just lost grip of her mind due to some organic malfunction.

However, if someone in another case could demonstrate a reason that they are being watched, probed ect it would at least give some reason to pause. A person could complain..."I get fired from every job, folks are out to get me" and be simply suffering from a low level of coping skills/social skills (are a pain in the ass) or anything between all the way up to anything. They may be getting fired or quitting as some have claimed for crossing the CoS which is able to bring harassment to the work place.

Someone would ask why some group might take these measures against someone. Well because you and I would be more apt to believe someone had a mental problem if they were reduced to pumping gas and talking about someone out to get them. But if the person were say an executive we would be more apt to listen to them.