Is this really the link to ADHD?

reply to post by bluemirage5


Modern medicine should involve herbs more so than pharmaceuticals. Herbs have almost no side effects compared to pharmaceuticals you are just pushing an agenda of profiteering. I have become a victim of your Industries actions

reply to post by XRaDiiX


What the hell are you talking about boy? How am I pushing the big pharma agenda?

You asked me a question and I gave you an answer! You best READ what I said before you spout off.

No one here is judging you, no one here is telling you whether you should take your meds or not.

You speak only for yourself, you sure as hell don't speak for the rest of us who are far more knowledgeable on the subject.

Originally posted by XRaDiiX
reply to post by SenstivelyMe

 

When you start taking the drug you become dependent on it for the rest of your life thats the purpose of these drugs they want you to buy Ritalin forever and now i have forever become screwed up because i don't take it anymore i don't believe in taking pharmaceuticals they are not natural. Herbs are natural i'll stick to natural healing instead of some industrial concoction of drugs and chemicals. Mother nature has all the natural medicine we need.

Now that i'm off the drug i can't focus on things very well and have become dependent on it. I do not recall this problem before i had been given the prescription and lead a normal life.

Was only riled up on sugar and thats what probably made me seem hyperactive. The dye could have a part to play in it to from what the OP suggests in his links. Do not take RITALIN you will become DEPENDENT

I have looked into a homeopathic way as well. I can say I don't understand and would love to find a reputable place to help. I am open to this!

As a mother, I can say without a doubt, my child can not focus at all. He's always been like this. He tells me in HIS own words. Now when he gets older, he may not remember either. Right now, my child does me he can't focus, he tells me his feelings, and tries to explain what's going on. Just the other day, we were sitting on my bed doing his homework. He was sitting crossed legged and started to freak out. He said it felt like sand to him. He knew how he felt and explained it to me. Another example. My ex used to do cartwheels while going to the pencil sharpener at the front of his class. Once he took the medicine, that stopped. So in our family, it is remembered, and being put on medicine is not taken lightly.

I am truly sorry for what you have gone through. Being forced to put on something you did not need and there were no signs or symptoms, I would think that would cause you to be addicted now. In people with ADHD, their body can handle this medicine better, there is an adverse effect. I am honest when I say, my child becomes calmer, more focused, happier, confident. Will he need it his whole life? I hope not. Once he is older, he will understand better consequences and adjust. Right now, he just can't do that on his own. And if he needs help, then he can make that choice. Until then, I have to be his advocate. Being suspended (yes, he's been suspended a few times at 8 and 9!), getting Es, and having no friends is something that needed to be helped. I cry tears of happiness for my baby at seeing him thrive now.

To see your child struggle is a horrible feeling. NOT doing something about it is just as irresponsible, IMO.

reply to post by illuminateme


i 2nd that motion. one thing that kids dont get enough of these days is a good whoopen. thats one of the reasons imo why kids kill there parents and post them selves on the internet that kids should have no business knowing about it the first place.

our children's behavioral problem is getting out of hand and i know that i will try my hardest to make sure it will not be effecting my child. thats because i actually parent my child.

i am strict while being loving and affectionate. i keep my eye on her at all times while giving her her space. i sit with her and teach her instead of leaving it up to others. i take her outside to play on every nice day instead of leaving her in front of a gaming console. she watches only educational tv shows. that means no sponge bob. i do many things that allot of parents do not do today.

am i saying that im the best parent.... no. am i saying that these actions will totally stop her from getting in to trouble..... of course not.

but what i am saying is that these actions will get her to respect and trust me. thats the main thing that children lack now a days, respect.

i am a stay at home dad and i would like to send kudos to those parents that stay home with their child and dedicate their lives to their children's lives.

keep up the good work and God bless you and your children.

reply to post by SenstivelyMe


You are correct in saying doing nothing to help these kids is doing an injustice to them.

There are so many different options available to ADHD kids; medication should be the last option and not used as a quick fix.

reply to post by jaycen420


I agree with this. I know the effects I have when I have to much sugar. Again, he is being taught to be careful, to be mindful. He does look at labels and checks the sugar content, BUT not all the time. He is a child at the end of the day. Dessert is not given at every meal. When we go out to eat, he is starting to limit his dessert choices by himself now. I was the one who did it previously. That is my job as a parent. As he gets older, he will take on more responsibility and become more mature. Until then, I have to make those choices and teach him how to do it on his own eventually. And to point out the negative side effects and consequences so he can make a correlation between the two. This is with anything in life, not just sugar.

Each "thing" in life, whether it's medicine, food, tv, is different for each person. This is why it is important for your child to tell you what is going on and for YOU, the parent, to listen. This teaches them to be responsible for their own body and to listen to the signs. If the parent or doctor does not listen, this is teaching the child, their feelings are wrong. That is wrong!!

Perfect example - when my child says he is full, I believe him. I don't make him finish his plate. I trust his feelings for his body. I hated when I was a kid that I was forced to finish everything on my plate. Me being full had no bearing in the situation. My full switch is now turned off. GRRRR. What makes what my child is going through in his head any less real, whether it's medicine, feelings, thoughts etc?

reply to post by MichiganSwampBuck


That's the hillbilly way of dealing with a problem: Hit, Shoot or Kill to resolve.

I do agree with you though. I don't believe in drugging up kids and there should be another way to combat this disorder.

reply to post by The Sword


All ADHD kids have undeveloped frontal lobes......it's a biological and medical condition

got any ideas?

reply to post by jaycen420


Sure I believe it, along with about a thousand other toxins in our food, water, etc.
Food colorings are unlike anything in nature.

reply to post by bluemirage5


You push the big pharma agenda by subjecting your children to such dangerous drugs. I have first hand experience of what they do to your brain your body. They have too many cons to be something that should be administered to such naive children. Unknowing of the danger it brings to them and the side effects which last a lifetime...

You folks can think that ADD/ADHD doesn't exist, and I'd agree that there is certainly a lot of misapplication of the terms (meaning it is applied to most when it shouldn't).

This really has nothing to do with hyperactivity or attention problems, and I know because I've had it my entire life and have tried to map the differences between me and others. It is, at it's core, a difference in the prioritization in the brain and a differing in the mapping of logic in my experience.

I have taken medication for it, but I found it made me slow and stupid, which is how I view the brain activity of the average person (no offense). I no longer take medication and haven't for the better part of 20 years now and do not advocate medication as I feel it limits many of the benefits associated with it while most tend to dwell only on the drawbacks.

There are many ways to deal with the drawbacks that simply take practice and some willpower. I also find it tends to affect the auditory processing of information and the filtering process between the short and long term portions of the brain.

Peace
KJ

reply to post by bluemirage5


Perhaps that's true, but from one who has lived with it for 34 years I can say that this is not always a bad thing. It certainly can hinder social development in people but that can be adjusted by those who understand the issue and can explain it to them in terms they understand.

For me, it was a psychiatrist who also had it with a PhD in the subject. There are those out there who will work to shore up that area with knowledge and I find that the other portions of the brain are more powerful due to the fact that they have to be to make up for the lack in others.

Medication really shouldn't be used unless the child also has other serious issues and all other avenues have been explored.

Peace
KJ

reply to post by KrazyJethro


I never take pharmaceuticals unless its something life threatening that i need medicine for; i do not buy the profiteering agenda of the pharma corps i know how they work my uncle Co-Ceo's one of them. They do not in general care about the health effects of the drug more so about how long they can get you to stay on their drugs/prescriptions

Oh hai completely thrown of thread.
You seem to have had one topic turn into a debate of opinions. Starting from post 2!!
Adhd meds are ment for making kids that cannot focus get good grades in school, because it seems that is the most important thing in life.

Giving my opinions

reply to post by Whitecat


We eliminated Red40 at our house, and noticed an improvement. It takes a lot of work though - you wouldn't believe how many products at the grocery store have it - even things that you wouldn't think have it. I've also tried to cut down on highly processed foods.

Red40 is also linked to migraines in adults as well.

Just my 2c

reply to post by Lolliek


Yes you are correct red 40 and other dyes are linked with cancer. Fact

reply to post by XRaDiiX


Not a personal attack on you, but uhh.. Yeah we're all entitled to our opinions so let me try to say this as nicely as i can...

Theres a bunch of different levels of awareness.
There's the Not aware,
There's the thinking you're aware,
There's being aware,

Then there's beyond. As far as i see it, without going too in detail.
The Not aware are the sheep.
The thinking you're aware are the ones who follow alex jones like the new jesus.
And above aware, is well.. you have an open mind on any topic.

I think you fall into #2. The way you talk about "Cooperate/pharma agenda" is the way Alex Jones does. Yes he has a big fan base, but the fan base is not open minded. They are still sheep to a different cause. Try to relax about you "Opinions" Because it seems like you're just saying you were a victim and we shouldn't be one.

An example to help you understand...
It's like a christian saying he used to be a sinner and then one day god came into their lives and they were saved, and if you don't have god in your life you will go to hell.

OHRLY? is my answer to them, and the same answer to you.
Perhaps a lesson in debates would help you out.

Anyways hope you weren't offended.

I have to say I have my doubts about the validity of many illnesses ?/ conditions we find in the world today ADHD included, perhaps we lack an empathy or understanding of how the ever increasing pace of this world impacts these younger minds which are still forming, for me I am blessed with children who are keeping pace so to speak, but even they are challenged at times by the bombarment of reality as we know it today, lest we forget that we as adults struggle from time to time, it only stands to reason that for youth, the impact is greater.

Back in time life was a little more staightforward/simpler, and although it may have been less challenging, I am not saying we need to return to these times, but perhaps listen a little closer to how modern life could be affecting kids.

Please note, I am not advocating some wooly don't dare tread on their little toes approach, just something a little more psychologically based i.e if a kid has done wrong, they need to have the situation explained to them, and the importance of cause and effect being ingrained in kids is probably a good place to start, I use it with mine, to explain the chain reaction of consequence to certain actions either they are about to pursue, or to what has already been undertaken, hopefully catching them more in the former state rather than the latter, less messy that way.

reply to post by Anttyk47


Who is defined as aware then ?
Just curious to know the answer

reply to post by jaycen420


No....sorry...this is not the link to ADHD. I have suffered (or have been blessed with it depends on the situation) with severe ADHD. I am an adult still living with it, and two out of my four children also have it. I was never medicated and I dropped out of school in 9th grade, and looked for ways to self medicate....to escape my overactive mind...I couldn't sleep because I could not shut my brain off, but could not grasp on to one continuous thought. (hence my user name)


When my oldest son was about to be expelled from school because he could not sit still (he would be rolling around in the back of the class, jumping around, constantly making noises, and serious lack of impulse control) this was in fifth grade. Because of the way I was raised (without medication) I looked to alternative treatment. I started with all natural foods. NO caffeine, NO sugar, NO artificial flavors, NO artificial colors. I did this for 6 continuous months (the whole family). It was hellish, first of all, and everyone was mad at me for it. No change at all.

Then we went the gluten-free route for the next 4 months. That was the hardest. Gluten free is hard to do, especially back then. True gluten free foods were hard to find....there was no eating out. We pushed it as far as we could, but the only change was that he slept even less!!! (typical for him was 5 hours a day) Life without bread or any wheat based product was terrible!

Medication was the final step. And that is a whole separate venture. We had to go through a whole range...Ritalin, Straterra, Concerta, all had a bad effect or none at all. Adderall was our saving grace!! Without it, life really sucks. I am on it, as are my two boys. The difference is astounding. Those of you who do not know the frustration of living with this disorder, let me tell you, it is hell to not be able to grasp a thought for longer than a few minutes. It is like watching a television show and changing the channel every five minutes and watching a different show. Do this for a few hours and the shows all blend together. Except the shows are happenings throughout the day.

Now, caffeine and sugar in large amounts will sometimes make it temporarily worse, so these are in moderation. But dyes? No. Maybe it has some slight effect, but nothing really noticeable to the stressed out parent.