Proof Of Alien Contact? Could This Be The Smoking Gun?

As I said, non-standard isotope ratios indicate materials not originating on Earth. This is in accord with the claim that the objects removed from person's bodies were extraterrestrial implants. Devices manufactured in another solar system would undoubtedly show odd isotope ratios. I do not believe it is credible that these objects were tiny meteorites that struck people and imbedded themselves in their bodies. These 'implants' are typically larger than microscopic in size. A person experiencing such an impact would undoubtedly be aware of it, and continue to feel pain thereafter Even something as small as a sliver of wood can produce considerable pain. Imagine if it were moving at high speed when it struck. The force of an impact is multiplied by its speed. Ross

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So now that my BS counter is off the charts, lets run through the muck.

In order for it to be alien, you would have to know what an alien thing looks like.

Something being extra terrestrial does not make it intelligently design. We had the same scare with the Genisis space craft. It was announced it had extraterrestrial things on board, the the news assumed aliens. Ahem. Extraterrestrial DOES NOT EQUAL intelligently designed by aliens. it means more or less a space peble.

In addition, the body can refuse to react to injected substances. Not everything has an affect reaction by the body.


And finally, Rocks do not connect to neurons. That statement is just beyond retarded. In anything the body attempted to merge with the item because it could not remove it, a la a piece of pencil lead. That probably explains the matter around the probe. The body probably did react to it: By sealing it off.

So yea, pretty much all we have proof here is that some guy got a meteor in his chin. How exactly who knows. Assuming aliens is just plain silly.

I remember this guy and I am curious why no other doctors have found any of this stuff? He mentioned the surprise to find no inflammation around the sites, but I have suffered a Dick Cheney style shotgun blast to the side of my head and I have had steel pellets in my head and neck area for 20 + years with no inflammation. Still, the evidence provided in the vid is intriguing.
Wasn't there another surgical removal where the implant started moving when they tried to remove it?
Anyway, I am just surprised there are no other doctors with similar reports. And are there any other reports from other countries?

Peace,
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If you look at page 41 of the raw data, you can see the elements this thing was primarily composed of, and three of them are circled. Iron was far and away the biggest amount, at 460,000 parts per million (46%). Next in line is Nickel, at 52,000 ppm (5.2%). The following elements appear in decreasing amount:

Phosphorus.....2400 ppm
Cobalt.............2200 ppm (CIRCLED)
Sodium...........2100 ppm
Magnesium.....860 ppm
Copper............510 ppm
Germanium......320 ppm
Gallium...........120 ppm
Barium............88 ppm
Manganese......52 ppm
Platinum..........9 ppm
Ruthenium.......8 ppm
Palladium........3 ppm

Now, you have to admit, there are a lot of metals in this thing! What caught my interest was some of the trace elements. Some elements, like Iron and Sodium, are very common in the body. But for example, what are the odds of finding Platinum under your skin? Interestingly, Platinum, Palladium, and Ruthenium are found in almost equally miniscule amounts. If you look at the Wikipedia for Ruthenium...

Wikipedia: Ruthenium

... you find this interesting quote, referencing the common use of these elements in alloys:

Small amounts of ruthenium can increase the hardness of platinum and palladium.

So that begs the question: What is a clearly artificial alloy doing (albeit in incredibly small proportions) inside this bizarre metallic object, found inside this self-described abductee's jaw?

My first thought was that it could be trace elements of the surgical tools used by Dr. Leir. However, most scalpel blades are made of steel, titanium, or diamond. So perhaps we should try to find some common uses for this platinum alloy. I came across this document which seems to be useful:

Materials handbook: Platinum alloys

Here we find that platinum-iridium is indeed used in surgical instruments. However, no iridium was found in this analysis, at least above the 5 ppm limit. There are some interesting uses for platinum-cobalt (magnets) and platinum-nickel (high strength), but platinum-ruthenium seems to have more to do with electrical conductivity. Here's another site that discusses its usefulness:

The Uses of Platinum Ruthenium Alloy

Platinum is a soft metal that is highly resistant to tarnishing. By adding small quantities of ruthenium to platinum, you create an alloy that is much stronger than pure platinum. The addition of ruthenium to platinum also increases the metal's melting point. Platinum ruthenium alloy is useful in jewelry making or as contacts in electronic components. Read more: The Uses of Platinum Ruthenium Alloy | eHow.com www.ehow.com...

In any case, I wonder if this study was refined enough for such a small proportion of these trace elements to be significant? If so, then such a tiny use of an artificial alloy almost seems to suggest nanotechnology. If not, then this could be anything from a statistical anomaly to tiny pieces of Dr. Leir's surgical tools.

I am also interested in why the person examining these test results circled Iron, Cobalt, and Nickel. It could be because these are the only transition metals that produce a magnetic field, and are some of the most common and strongest ferromagnetic elements. They are also common components in meteors, which could be why they are circled in these results. Also, Copper is highly conductive and responds strongly to magnetism, in addition to its use in electrical components.

So I guess that's all I have to offer after looking at the data. Definitely a weird thing to find under your skin!

It IS a coincidence that his name is Dr. Liar though huh?

Reminds me of the old 3 stooges bit... "Calling Doctor Moe,Doctor Larry,Doctor Liar."


Just saying.

Congratulations disinformation agents!
You've derailed yet another thread pertaining to an important topic because it MAY have some real impact.

Originally posted by Magnus47
If you look at page 41 of the raw data, you can see the elements this thing was primarily composed of, and three of them are circled. Iron was far and away the biggest amount, at 460,000 parts per million (46%). Next in line is Nickel, at 52,000 ppm (5.2%). The following elements appear in decreasing amount:

Phosphorus.....2400 ppm
Cobalt.............2200 ppm (CIRCLED)
Sodium...........2100 ppm
Magnesium.....860 ppm
Copper............510 ppm
Germanium......320 ppm
Gallium...........120 ppm
Barium............88 ppm
Manganese......52 ppm
Platinum..........9 ppm
Ruthenium.......8 ppm
Palladium........3 ppm

Now, you have to admit, there are a lot of metals in this thing! What caught my interest was some of the trace elements. Some elements, like Iron and Sodium, are very common in the body. But for example, what are the odds of finding Platinum under your skin? Interestingly, Platinum, Palladium, and Ruthenium are found in almost equally miniscule amounts. If you look at the Wikipedia for Ruthenium...

Wikipedia: Ruthenium

... you find this interesting quote, referencing the common use of these elements in alloys:

Small amounts of ruthenium can increase the hardness of platinum and palladium.

So that begs the question: What is a clearly artificial alloy doing (albeit in incredibly small proportions) inside this bizarre metallic object, found inside this self-described abductee's jaw?

My first thought was that it could be trace elements of the surgical tools used by Dr. Leir. However, most scalpel blades are made of steel, titanium, or diamond. So perhaps we should try to find some common uses for this platinum alloy. I came across this document which seems to be useful:

Materials handbook: Platinum alloys

Here we find that platinum-iridium is indeed used in surgical instruments. However, no iridium was found in this analysis, at least above the 5 ppm limit. There are some interesting uses for platinum-cobalt (magnets) and platinum-nickel (high strength), but platinum-ruthenium seems to have more to do with electrical conductivity. Here's another site that discusses its usefulness:

The Uses of Platinum Ruthenium Alloy

Platinum is a soft metal that is highly resistant to tarnishing. By adding small quantities of ruthenium to platinum, you create an alloy that is much stronger than pure platinum. The addition of ruthenium to platinum also increases the metal's melting point. Platinum ruthenium alloy is useful in jewelry making or as contacts in electronic components. Read more: The Uses of Platinum Ruthenium Alloy | eHow.com www.ehow.com...

In any case, I wonder if this study was refined enough for such a small proportion of these trace elements to be significant? If so, then such a tiny use of an artificial alloy almost seems to suggest nanotechnology. If not, then this could be anything from a statistical anomaly to tiny pieces of Dr. Leir's surgical tools.

I am also interested in why the person examining these test results circled Iron, Cobalt, and Nickel. It could be because these are the only transition metals that produce a magnetic field, and are some of the most common and strongest ferromagnetic elements. They are also common components in meteors, which could be why they are circled in these results. Also, Copper is highly conductive and responds strongly to magnetism, in addition to its use in electrical components.

So I guess that's all I have to offer after looking at the data. Definitely a weird thing to find under your skin!

edit on 3-4-2011 by Magnus47 because: typo's n' stuff

Thankyou for this this, you are the only person who has been able to make sense of the raw data
Very interesting hey?!

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Ru is not artificial. It is a fundamental element on the periodic table. That's like calling hydrogen artificial.,

In all honesty the most likely scenario is that the man survived a run in with a meteor of some kind and did not know he was hit. Would not be the first time someone was shot and didn't know it.

Originally posted by Gorman91
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Ru is not artificial. It is a fundamental element on the periodic table. That's like calling hydrogen artificial.,

In all honesty the most likely scenario is that the man survived a run in with a meteor of some kind and did not know he was hit. Would not be the first time someone was shot and didn't know it.

I didn't say Ruthenium is artificial. I said Platinum-Ruthenium is artificial. Wouldn't you agree?

Originally posted by Gorman91

So yea, pretty much all we have proof here is that some guy got a meteor in his chin. How exactly who knows. Assuming aliens is just plain silly.

You have to also ask yourself.........why would any highly intelligent inter Stella travelling "alien" bother to put a meteorite fragment into someone's chin?

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Simple elements. Is HCl artifical? Stuff connects. Especially in high speed collisions in space.

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They wouldn't Hence they did not. If aliens ever came to Earth they would only be interested in 2 things. The only 2 things that make us unique: Life forms, and art. For them Earth is nothing more and nothing less than a safari trip.

Originally posted by Gorman91

Simple elements. Is HCl artifical? Stuff connects. Especially in high speed collisions in space.

I'm no chemist, but isn't it also true that chemical reactions can also occur when an objects enters Earth's atmosphere due to the intense heat?

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This Dr. Roger Leir has supposedly done many an operation or has simply observed/managed these operations of removal of some type of implants for some time. It seems to me that if there were anything substantial about these implants or whatever they may be, that they would have hit the MSM. Believe it or not the MSM is geared for ratings. The more ratings, the more advertising dollars. If this were something they could use to increase ratings they would surely use it, just as long as it did not come back to bite them so to speak. What I mean is that they (MSM) would use this story to draw more viewers if they thought it would not come back to make them look like they were incompetent reporters and just glamorizing conspiracy theories.

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Incredibly interesting post. It doesn't PROVE anything, but to me it highly IMPLIES visitations of extra-terrestrial intelligence. Flagged.

Originally posted by Logical one
You have to also ask yourself.........why would any highly intelligent inter Stella travelling "alien" bother to put a meteorite fragment into someone's chin?

Probably the same reason we tag birds and other animals - to track and monitor behaviour to understand a species.
To me this is obvious evidence of something extra-terrestrial that has been intentionally implanted and connected. The reasons why are as important as the implant metallurgical study.

I'm sorry but the chance that someone gets hit with a space pebble that just happens to implant without an entry wound is ludicrous to me. When evaluating probabilities I think it's just as easy to say the object has been manufactured and implanted for a specific reason by intelligent extra-terrestrial life - and to me that doesn't sound half as crazy - maybe that's just me.

We already know that stars are being discovered by Kepler that have planets that could host life (15 official at time of post - kepler.nasa.gov...... ) - to me the whole subject of alien visitation is totally inevitable. If we had the technology to do it we'd be tagging extra terrestrial life for sure.

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This is false if wiki is telling the truth?

Ruthenium usually occurs as a minor component of platinum ores

en.wikipedia.org...

Though there are some things about it on that page that is particularly interesting to this case, but not necessarily indicative of anything.

Ruthenium is a fission product of uranium-235, therefore each kilo of fission products contains significant amounts of the lighter platinum group metals and also ruthenium. Used nuclear fuel might be a possible source for ruthenium.

Because of its ability to harden platinum and palladium, ruthenium is used in platinum and palladium alloys to make wear-resistant electrical contacts.

Fountain pen nibs are frequently tipped with alloys containing ruthenium. From 1944 onward, the famous Parker 51 fountain pen was fitted with the "RU" nib, a 14K gold nib tipped with 96.2% ruthenium and 3.8% iridium.

Maybe his ex-wife stabbed him with a pen?

Ruthenium is a component of mixed-metal oxide (MMO) anodes used for cathodic protection of underground and submerged structures, and for electrolytic cells for chemical processes such as generating chlorine from salt water.[38] The fluorescence of some ruthenium complexes is quenched by oxygen, which has led to their use as optode sensors for oxygen.

Some ruthenium complexes absorb light throughout the visible spectrum and are being actively researched in various, potential, solar energy technologies. Ruthenium-based compounds have been also used for light absorption in dye-sensitized solar cells, a promising new low-cost solar cell system.

Chemical vapor deposition of ruthenium (CVD) is used as a method to produce thin films of pure ruthenium on substrates. These films show promising properties for the use in microchips and for the giant magnetoresistive read element for hard disk drives.[46] Ruthenium was also suggested as a possible material for microelectronics because its use is compatible with semiconductor processing techniques.

Many ruthenium based oxides show very unusual properties, such as a Quantum Critical Point behavior,[48] exotic superconductivity,[49] and high temperature ferromagnetism.

It is quite an interesting metal, if nothing else.

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That is interesting... however a "minor component in platinum ores" suggests something that is largely platinum and other minerals, with a small amount of Ru. The metallurgical study above indicates platinum and ruthenium in miniscule but close to equal proportions, which to me sounds like an alloy.

I would write more responses but gotta go for now.

No. A smoking gun is something you see on a good Western.

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Heat = reaction in many many cases.