UK Man Has Photographed Something Strange...

looks like a burnt creature, no offense

So this man just happens to have his camera handy while an alien is strolling along in the back yard along the fence line in a direction that seems to put it soon to be face first into another fence line.. ofcourse maybe he was going to jump it, teleport through it or just vanish.. totally believable..

In all honesty it looks like the guy propped some crudely made sculpture against the fence and snapped a photo.. I have no inclination to believe this story based on that picture .. sorry

Originally posted by 30_seconds
i'm someone who always looks at ufo videos and tries to discern whether or not the video is actually that of a ufo, or of some cgi manipulation added in...

i've only seen perhaps 2 or 3 videos in my entire life (out of hundreds) that i would say were the "real deal"

when i looked at this,

i immedialy knew this wasn't a "fake." the object photographed was really "there"

no photoshop. no cgi.

now, is it some kind of living creature or entity? HECK NO

it's a sculpture of some kind. perhaps made of clay or metal.

and that is my "professional" opinion.

what credentials do i have?
absolutely none. =)

Could you possibly do some work with whatever materials you use to analyse this, show your working out and post please?

I just honestly think we need this thread to have a final exclamation point to end it once and for all and you seem the perfect man for the job if willing.

So i see a lot of talking about this being fake and not one ounce of effort put into proving that.. Get off your high horses and take some god damn time out of your day to prove your claims..

Dont reply to me saying its fake unless you have some proof to back up your claim, and no I dont believe this is 100% real but unlike you fools I actually wait for actual evidence to show up before I starting spewing lies.

I just dont understand... if a picture is of horrible quality you guys scream "BS get a better camera!" yet whenever someone takes an actual clear photo everyone screams "Fake!".. Again I ask everyone who feels this is a hoax to back up their claims, I dont claim this as a hoax because I have no evidence to back it up.

Originally posted by woghd

Originally posted by Death_Kron

Originally posted by woghd

Originally posted by Death_Kron
reply to post by ZeroGhost

 

Mate, it's a frigging statue/figure of an alien posted on April Fool's day.

What proof do you have of this?

The picture.

Well the picture looks like a creature.
Do you have any evidence it's something else?

Because it's foolish to assume the most extraordinary answer is the correct one? scientific approach, logic, rational reasoning .. all of those things point away from it being an alien creature and more likely to be something like an optical illusion as someone suggested, or a poorly made sculpture .. and as someone else pointed out, this guy would surely have noticed this thing.. even if it's small and dark, if it was moving as it looks like he tried to make it seem .. he'd have spotted it

But nevertheless.. the burden of proof is on those that make the claims of the extraordinary.. we don't have to prove it's not something otherworldly because rationality leans that way.. to claim it's something extraordinary puts you on the proving end..

so .. where's your proof it's a creature? the picture sure doesn't prove that

reply to post by miniatus


Actually, the guy says he was taking pictures for a landscaping project. It is his only picture with the thing in it, but he says he took many.

I know I would like to see the other pictures for comparison.

Oh. It was all in the OP...

Originally posted by Seibei
So i see a lot of talking about this being fake and not one ounce of effort put into proving that.. Get off your high horses and take some god damn time out of your day to prove your claims..

Dont reply to me saying its fake unless you have some proof to back up your claim, and no I dont believe this is 100% real but unlike you fools I actually wait for actual evidence to show up before I starting spewing lies.

I just dont understand... if a picture is of horrible quality you guys scream "BS get a better camera!" yet whenever someone takes an actual clear photo everyone screams "Fake!".. Again I ask everyone who feels this is a hoax to back up their claims, I dont claim this as a hoax because I have no evidence to back it up.

Again.. the burden of proof is on those that claim it's not something mundane .. at the end of the day all anyone can say is we have no clue what it is .. we have to go with the most likely answers, and until we have more cases of little dark burnt looking aliens wondering around in people's yards for an afternoon stroll, the most likely answer is it's not an alien.. the proof has to be someone coming up with better evidence for it being an alien, because the picture itself is absolutely not at all strong evidence to support that thought..

This thing just screams scrap metal sculpture to me. If it *was* something alien, then I doubt it would be acting so calmly having just been spotted, also it appears to be walking towards no where. Google image search scrap metal sculpture and you will come to see that quite of a few of those pieces of art are the same exact color as this one.

As much as I would love to believe this isn't fake, it seems more realistic to me that this is a piece of art, not a species from another planet.

Originally posted by Vortiki
This thing just screams scrap metal sculpture to me. If it *was* something alien, then I doubt it would be acting so calmly having just been spotted, also it appears to be walking towards no where. Google image search scrap metal sculpture and you will come to see that quite of a few of those pieces of art are the same exact color as this one.

As much as I would love to believe this isn't fake, it seems more realistic to me that this is a piece of art, not a species from another planet.

Quite right.. the most probable explanation is that it's a man made object that to me looks propped up against the fence.. and lets be fair, perhaps this UK man didn't put it there and didn't even notice it .. because it wasn't moving, being that it's just a sculpture .. I'm willing to give him that much credit, he may not know either.

reply to post by Frater210


He better be quick or the neighborhood cats will have him for dinner This is probably an April fools joke.

Found this pic:
Looks a lot like the garden picture IMO.



can also be seen here

www.usernetsite.com... .php

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by Seibei
So i see a lot of talking about this being fake and not one ounce of effort put into proving that.. Get off your high horses and take some god damn time out of your day to prove your claims..

Dont reply to me saying its fake unless you have some proof to back up your claim, and no I dont believe this is 100% real but unlike you fools I actually wait for actual evidence to show up before I starting spewing lies.

I just dont understand... if a picture is of horrible quality you guys scream "BS get a better camera!" yet whenever someone takes an actual clear photo everyone screams "Fake!".. Again I ask everyone who feels this is a hoax to back up their claims, I dont claim this as a hoax because I have no evidence to back it up.

Again.. the burden of proof is on those that claim it's not something mundane .. at the end of the day all anyone can say is we have no clue what it is .. we have to go with the most likely answers, and until we have more cases of little dark burnt looking aliens wondering around in people's yards for an afternoon stroll, the most likely answer is it's not an alien.. the proof has to be someone coming up with better evidence for it being an alien, because the picture itself is absolutely not at all strong evidence to support that thought..

You are incorrect. A man says there is a creature in his back yard, The burden of proof is on him. He produces a picture. The burden of proof is now on the debunker to prove the picture is fake.

You are accusing someone of fraud and hoaxing.
That is pretty serious.
What is your proof?

Originally posted by woghd

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by Seibei
So i see a lot of talking about this being fake and not one ounce of effort put into proving that.. Get off your high horses and take some god damn time out of your day to prove your claims..

Dont reply to me saying its fake unless you have some proof to back up your claim, and no I dont believe this is 100% real but unlike you fools I actually wait for actual evidence to show up before I starting spewing lies.

I just dont understand... if a picture is of horrible quality you guys scream "BS get a better camera!" yet whenever someone takes an actual clear photo everyone screams "Fake!".. Again I ask everyone who feels this is a hoax to back up their claims, I dont claim this as a hoax because I have no evidence to back it up.

Again.. the burden of proof is on those that claim it's not something mundane .. at the end of the day all anyone can say is we have no clue what it is .. we have to go with the most likely answers, and until we have more cases of little dark burnt looking aliens wondering around in people's yards for an afternoon stroll, the most likely answer is it's not an alien.. the proof has to be someone coming up with better evidence for it being an alien, because the picture itself is absolutely not at all strong evidence to support that thought..

You are incorrect. A man says there is a creature in his back yard, The burden of proof is on him. He produces a picture. The burden of proof is now on the debunker to prove the picture is fake.

You are accusing someone of fraud and hoaxing.
That is pretty serious.
What is your proof?

I'm not accusing him of fraud or hoaxing, I'm saying the most probable explanation is that it's a man made sculpture and in my later post I even said he may not have even known about it.. I still don't believe it's an alien.. and your logic is way flawed, with what you're saying I could make any kind of claim, produce a picture and then say it's up to everyone else now to prove it's false just based on my picture..

So if I claim there's a garden gnome living in my lawn, I produce a picture of it in the distance complete with it's hat.. it's now on you to prove beyond a doubt that it's not what I said it is .. that is so completely flawed it's not even funny.. it doesn't work that way

reply to post by miniatus


Actually. That's exactly how it works.
I suggest that you not attempt your logic in court.

reply to post by Frater210


At what time of day did you decide to take this picture and why would an e.t be walking through your back lawn in day hour's and in total view of you, when there's billion's spent over the last 5 decades to fund ufo cover-ups, conspiracies and witnesses. The fact is, it's NOT real as you would have already been visited by two high official's from the RAF Witness Commission Board. And whether you received 32 flag's for this non-sense to up your ego even more.

How is that going for you, your ego?

Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by Frater210

 

Dude, sorry to break up the party but apply occams rasor

it's an optical illusion, take a closer look at the front arm then the front leg, then look back to the white eyes,
Now look at the whie brick pointing.

You see it now ? Broken brickwork my friend bit like jesus in toast

case closed sorry

It is to improbable and too true to a structural figure. The lighting being ambient (reflected off environmental structures) is diffuse. There are no other hard shadows of the disheveled fence material or otherwise.

I accounted for that in my first personal assessment of the image. I look for light source, reflective surfaces, texture and diffusing factors, shadow producing structures and other materials in the viewed environment.

When evaluating a UFO/ alien video, photo, for instance, in a formal investigation, I photograph a 360 degree spread from the vantage point, to see where everything is. In this case we do not have such investigative data to draw upon.

There could be windows, auto or lawn furniture chrome, light sources or other things in the environment. If this was an incidental artifact of a shadow thrown from a reflected glare, catching an object behind the camera and projecting onto the wall and grass, with some other factors of light giving the shadow incidental highlights, the photographer would not have noticed until later. But we have no environment reference.

The same is true for an incidental gathering of brickwork cracks and shadows. It would explain why the photographer did not see this when shot.

Many times people point a camera out a window for a picture, and while reflections are on the glass, the camera picks up from lights in back of them, they do not sense anything unusual while taking the shot. Their stereoscopic eyes see it is a reflection and it becomes immediately unfocussed and discarded from their perception. They later see the static focal of the shot that was caught in the camera, and not remembering the discarded visual from the environment reflections or the shape of the lights in the ceiling or desk lamp behind them, think they believe are seeing a UFO, Ghost or shadow person. Very common.

So we can say there is a significant probability that this is such an effect until a formal investigation would be done. But probability would tell us that its a low factor. Rare to unlikely.

So we have to go with what we can find in this image. Nothing suggests it is incidental aberration of light and shadow, or a cutout, statue, model or faked yet.

We can definitely say it is possibly what it looks like too. A being, moving maybe slightly out of perceptive time/space or effecting the photographers perceptive with psycotronic subconscious suggestion. If a hypnotist can make you think you are a chicken, then think what a being such as this with such abilities we know they have, and use can do with us.

ZG

Originally posted by woghd
reply to post by miniatus

 

Actually. That's exactly how it works.
I suggest that you not attempt your logic in court.

Lets break down what you're saying..

It's an alien until proven not to be.. sure, I'd take that to any jury ..

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by woghd
reply to post by miniatus

 

Actually. That's exactly how it works.
I suggest that you not attempt your logic in court.

Lets break down what you're saying..

It's an alien until proven not to be.. sure, I'd take that to any jury ..

Whoa...I never said it was an alien...
You are the one saying it's a certain thing.
I'm asking you to prove that.

I am going to reserve judgement for the time being until I have addressed my initial problems with this picture.

The first thing I noticed is that there are virtually no shadows behind the "object." Given that the light is coming from the upper right, there still would be a shadow on the wall behind it, albeit slight in nature; I simply do not see one, indicating to me that the object is very thin or even flat in nature.

The second thing that came to my attention and probably more important is the fact that the line of the grass edging is very close to the wall and you can see if you look to the left in the corner just how close the grass line is to the wall; if it's not within an inch or so it's butting up against it as most yards would be. The object's "legs" are obscured by the grass edging leading me to again believe that the object is extremely close to the fence (within inches) and almost appears to be a 2D object instead of one with depth.

I work with 3DS Max and I create artificial objects all the time. What I can tell you is that dynamic light will reflect off of other objects, including the left wall and produce shadows not only on the object in question but behind it and below it based on how much light is reflected. Given that this photo was taken in the daytime, it just seems to have a lack of depth and appears to me to be a cutout or even a carving of some kind.

I don't see enough evidence to validate movement of any kind and I think that the object is fake. I will hold this reservation until further evidence is presented, but for the moment arguing amongst ourselves instead of concentrating on the facts that need to be proven or disproven goes against the point of being a contributor to the ATS community. I am sure that in time this will be resolved. Hoax or not, I don't think the OP had the intention of faking a sighting, but I don't believe at this time that it's real either.

King

Originally posted by woghd

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by woghd
reply to post by miniatus

 

Actually. That's exactly how it works.
I suggest that you not attempt your logic in court.

Lets break down what you're saying..

It's an alien until proven not to be.. sure, I'd take that to any jury ..

Whoa...I never said it was an alien...
You are the one saying it's a certain thing.
I'm asking you to prove that.

I never said it was anything either, I suggested it's most likely and most probable to be either a man made sculpture or an optical illusion.. I basically countered the alien hypothesis with two far more likely options, I also stated that ultimately we don't know what it is .. have you been reading?