So What about the Rights of the POLICE!?!?!?

And would you hope that in addition to hoping police officers die horrible deaths, that all members of the public who are deliberatly hostile to a person trying to protect his community as best he can should also die similar deaths?

I've been on protest marches through london on causes important to me and found all the police to be fine. I never told them i was an officer myself. Treat people how you want to be treated yourself. I think the voices of reason understand there is good and bad in all. When people have unloaded their 'hate'on me, i ask them if they would like to start over again and speak to each other civilly. I can well understand some officers thinking screw that and i will get them back...thats a natural reaction.

I love having a laugh and a joke with members of the public and many say they couldn't do my job as they haven't got the patience. Next time you see a police officer, go and have a chat with them. Have a laugh and find out what kind of person they are. If you come across one that is an idiot, sorry, try another one. I have always found it enjoyable turning an 'enemy' into a friend. My father hated the police for years, until i became one. The reason for his hate....... he got a parking ticket!!! Don't let hate blind you.

In the coming years, police rights will be the last thing on your mind. As theyre tear gasing you, you will wonder why you even wasted your time trying to argue for a police state. If an officer can murder somebody in this country without any repercussions what so ever, maybe losing their job, than it speaks volumes of their rights over the citizens. I'm not trying to be cynical. The united states police are a gang that use loop holes and skewed laws and to subvert justice and cover each others backs. Until it is legal to just only FILM an officers encounter, than who gives a # about their rights? Why should it be against the law to document an officers encounter if they are just being brave heros doing their job?

Of course the police have rights. They have the right to choose not to be a police officer, for starters. That being said, this isn't some simple issue of pro-police arguments vs. anti-police arguments.

You have to take a step back. The police serve a function in modern society that is, if anything, enabling to a corrupt system. Rather than fixing the reason why we have drug abuse, we have police to punish the offenders and addicts. Rather than fixing the root of violence, you have police who fight the violence with more violence. It's not the police's fault there is violence, but it is also not the perpetrator's fault either. The two work in concert from the societal underpinnings of disparity that creates the vilence in the first place.

Society in most of the US and the rest of the third world in general (no, there is no missing comma or conjunction) tends to allow for higher amounts of disparity based on class issues that may or may not be ethnically oriented. Violence is at every level and as many - including Noam Chomsky and Derreck Jensen - have put forward, the violence is top-down when it is sanctioned. When it is not sanctioned (i.e., bottom-up), the police are called in to manage the misappropriated violence.

This is why many people take issue with the police (and to a larger extent, the justice system and the State as a whole) - it's lopsided to allow for top-down violence - which goes unnoticed, but harshly punishes bottom-up - even if that is the lesser of the two evils, both quantitatively and qualitatively, and despite the fact that the bottom-up is a direct or indirect result of the top-down.

Originally posted by Sphota
Of course the police have rights. They have the right to choose not to be a police officer, for starters. That being said, this isn't some simple issue of pro-police arguments vs. anti-police arguments.

You have to take a step back. The police serve a function in modern society that is, if anything, enabling to a corrupt system. Rather than fixing the reason why we have drug abuse, we have police to punish the offenders and addicts. Rather than fixing the root of violence, you have police who fight the violence with more violence. It's not the police's fault there is violence, but it is also not the perpetrator's fault either. The two work in concert from the societal underpinnings of disparity that creates the vilence in the first place.

Society in most of the US and the rest of the third world in general (no, there is no missing comma or conjunction) tends to allow for higher amounts of disparity based on class issues that may or may not be ethnically oriented. Violence is at every level and as many - including Noam Chomsky and Derreck Jensen - have put forward, the violence is top-down when it is sanctioned. When it is not sanctioned (i.e., bottom-up), the police are called in to manage the misappropriated violence.

This is why many people take issue with the police (and to a larger extent, the justice system and the State as a whole) - it's lopsided to allow for top-down violence - which goes unnoticed, but harshly punishes bottom-up - even if that is the lesser of the two evils, both quantitatively and qualitatively, and despite the fact that the bottom-up is a direct or indirect result of the top-down.

You hit the nail on the head here my friend. There isn't anything left to beat this dead horse with, so i'll just say well done, and leave it at that.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by Prowler33


You sound like a good officer so how the Hell can you work for a system who abuses everyones rights by creating laws to protect the Elite? Please Explain?

Glad you caught a child molester in your area but I must ask why are thousands of kids missing per year and being used by the Elite in their satanic rituals of child molesting and murder. What are you and your other good cops doing to destroy the corrupt system instead of playing the game you think is loyal when it is so dishonest it reeks of filth?

Oh come on. What about the way that completely innocent people like Ian Tomlinson are attacked and essentially killed by police officers. Then the police officers involved (even if the event is filmed) usually get away without charges. If the public were to do such things they would be put behind bars before their feet hit the ground.

Police officers are paid well, enjoy many powers and are mostly protected by their superiors and the legal system. In certain situations they hide their identity numbers so they are essentially above the law. The recent anti terror laws give them more freedom to do as they please.

Forgive me for not crying a river for them. Its the publics' rights that I worry about. And I include the police as members of the general public whose rights I defend.

The Ian Tomlinson incident was a tragedy. Do you honestly believe that police officer went out that day thinking that he would end up being responsible for a mans death. Officers that day were on the receiving end of some serious violence. Have you ever had a long tiring, frightening day and snapped. Will you hold all those protestors, pushing against police lines as being guilty of attempted murder? Yet an Officer pushes back and he is a murderer?

We were taught, by a civilian self-defence instructor on a course that we are allowed to use a 'pre-emptive strike' when being threatened. We knew that anyway, but all the officers on the course shocked her because we all said we would never do that. We told her that too many officers have been hung out to dry by doing just that and getting sacked. Its my choice, i take the first punch off a thug because if i throw the first one, i could lose my job, my pension and my family go without.

I know that the police are in the middle of a crap sandwich. We have to deal with all societys ill's and tragedies, those who are disdvantaged and disenfranchised, and we also get abused by the rich who think the law should not apply to them.

I do feel at times we are used by the elite for social control, but until you can come up with a good alternative that the majority of people will go along with, the majority of us will continue to protect the law-abiding and take the baddies down. If we were to all lay down, innocent people will be subject to murder, rape and more. I could not live with myself, so i continue to be a pawn of the NWO. Just as anyone who works, uses currency etc is part of the 'system' and contributing to control by the elite.

I think police officers have the right to find a new job or career if they feel hated. If you don't want to be in dangerous and stressful situations, don't become a cop. It's not rocket science here, folks.

Something else I'd like to add is that by the time I have a need to call the police I have already been victimized, what good are they going to do now ?

reply to post by kevinunknown


So let's throw a stun grenade in the window and blow away the little girl we find sleeping on the couch. It'll make for GREAT reality TV!

Her name was Aiyana Jones.

The officer who killed her is on paid leave. Charges have not been filed.

Yes, we just dislike cops 'cause we all want to be criminals. Just like how if we oppose the war, we must all be terrorists.

reply to post by servant2


Right. Police have the right to murder people for damn near any reason they want. And when it comes to trial, they MIGHT get probation. Or a fine. 'Cause god knows, we can't put them in prison, they might get raped, like all those hippy monsters who smoke pot!

They're a gang. They're worse than the bloods or crips, because at least those gangs have to face a court of law when they're caught.

sigh. I grew up wanting to be a police officer, a detective to be precise. I always liked the idea of solving cases Sherlock Holmes style. A woman got murdered? First on the scene, /try to find clues, hand prints, possible traces etc. I think I would have made a great detective because of my ability to see connections, but mostly I wanted to be able to save people, or grant that family who lost that son or daughter some peace at mind, knowing that the killer is caught and jailed.

Solving mysteries, that was what I wanted to do. That's the fun part of being a detective, knowing you are getting closer and closer to the truth and excitement of the fact that Justice will be done. My views and mentality on wanting to be a police officer changed after seeing the truth behind the dream.

I have several frat brothers who are police officers themselves, and they told me not to join if I knew what was good for me. They explained, that the first thing the department does is station you near drug dealers. Wow really?

It is one thing to risk your life solving a murder, but it is another to risk your life fighting a battle that cannot and will not be won. All it does is create even more hate. not to mention that the law itself is an to invasion of privacy. Police officers in my point of view were suppose to be kind people who serves and protects civilians from other civilians. Not try and protect Civilians from themselves. People have a right to do whatever they want as long as it does not effect others.

Now, because of the knowledge above, I wouldn't go as far as to blame all police officers because of the laws, some are really just doing their jobs. Here is an example my frat brother told me.At least here where I live, the officers are told that they need to give 20 tickets a day, so that their bosses would know they are doing their Jobs.

Now imagine you are an officer, you have 30 minutes left before you get to go home, but you need to give out one more ticket. You see a guy speeding at 56 mph in a zone of 55. You are tired, you want to go home, and you know once this ticket is handed out you will be in bed resting in the next hour. Even if it was unfair the guy still went above the speed limit. Normally you would let it slide, but you really want to go home.

You pull him over, the guy in the car starts a fight, and you end up arresting him because of the violent tantrum. This is what perhaps some officers go through from time to time.

Now, it is true some officers DO in fact abuse their powers, and there are those in law enforcement that are corrupted and working with the cartels. But you can't judge em all just because of a few bad apples, some officers are like you and me, tired of the system but prisoner of such, none the less. Some even spend time on boards like these taking notes and trying to get into reality.

Instead of fighting each other, fight the system itself by simply talking about it and educating others. Spread what YOU know unto others. Make your own videos and dvds or even some fliers.It is not that hard to download videos from youtube to gather facts and piece them together. Organize group meetings and express your concerns.


The problem I see mostly is the lack of education in the countries, and before you tell me you graduated from Harvard university, that is not the education I am referring to. I am referring to the Education on how to treat people with equal respect and dignity. Doing what is right instead of wrongs. Knowing the real Facts, and most importantly, ask questions to things you do not understand.

My son is a police officer in a high crime city. He has a 3 yr old daughter and a good wife. Everyday he walks out that door they wonder if he'll be home. He has been called in on many things and has saved the life of more than 1 child in the few years that he's been on the streets. Although what he faces everyday has been hard and tears him up inside, he continues to feel he can do something meaningful. He is not brainwashed. I'm very into the conspiracy theories on this site, I don't trust the government like everyone else here, I deplore the thought of Martial Law although I know at some stage in the near future this will happen. There is not a day goes by while he's on the beat he doesn't intervene in domestic violence, racial wars and violent crimes. He sees death on a daily basis,including vehicle accidents. My son is a hero. He once ran into a burning home and rescued a small child from a closet. This was before the fire dept arrived. He did not have to do it, he could've waited on them to arrive.. but the mother was outside and in tears crying for her baby boy. She could not reach him due to the smoke that engulfed the house. He went in anyway and knew he might not make it out alive. I cannot speak for every police officer out there. Yes there is corruption. Corruption is everywhere. Corruption is in your neighborhoods, your city offices, your streets. I believe those individuals that risk their lives on a daily basis deserve some type of respect. All of you out there who bash everything and see evil motivation in everyone need to step back a bit and look in your hearts. Not everyone is corrupt and brainwashed. It just sickens me the way some people stereotype professions. If a few bad ones are there then all are bad. If a few are brainwashed, then all are brainwashed. Get a grip on reality! Please.

I believe police are being trained to be the thugs of the government, thereby the elite.

The police of today are not for the people, unlike the past. They had the peoples best interest at heart, can't say that of many police today.

Originally posted by jrstock
If you've noticed over the past 2 decade's, they have become storm trooper's in mentality. The police ENFORCE codes. The serve and protect has slipped away. TPTB have been working overtime to make life hell. And as you know first hand or through video clip's they are doing a damned fine job at that,

On the spot. Corporate government enforcers equipped with deadly weapons and pain-inducing torture devices. Whats not to love?

Rights of the police? While they attempt to force us to obey laws that step on OUR rights? I thought this thread was a joke until I read it.

This isn't 1890, and you are not a heroes or martyrs. You are the fists of the billionaire b******s that benefit from all of our underpaid labor.

If you want respect, get another job. If you want to go home safe at night, get another job. If you want to support freedom, get another job. If you want to help people, get another job.

Try journalism.

But who would you call if you fell victim to a violent crime? What if a loved one was murdered by a drug addict or serial killer?

I see both sides of the debate and both are valid points.

But who would you call if you fell victim to a violent crime? What if a loved one was murdered by a drug addict or serial killer?

reply to post by wytewingdove


I think people need to take responsibility for them self and there family. If this happened to me I would take care of it my own way! whether or not you think it is the right think to do, I think that it is the way of true justice. People who commit crime will sooner or later pay for there crimes.

reply to post by servant2


Police don't have the right to "snap" and hurt the public. That's what being a professional is, doing your job without emotion or bias. If you can't handle the stress, you need to retire. Even if that means retiring young and getting virtually no retirement benefits.

If you cause a citizen to die, you need to go to trial...period. Let a jury decide, not your police buddies hiding behind the Blue wall of silence with you.

If a cop "preemptively" hit me for any reason, your damn right I'd take whatever steps I can to bring them to accountability.

Cops aren't victims in any sense of the word. Even without your badges to hide behind, you still have systemic protections that ordinary citizen does not. That is a clear, but unacknowledged, violation of Equal protection.

Here's a good solution...
WE DO NOT NEED YOU.

Police have never protected me in any sense of the word.
You don't do anything for me, that my second amendment rights can not do better.

Here is something interesting some of you may like:

In the UK the police were originally referred to as the 'Peelers' because they were formed as an extension of the watch by Ser Bob Peel.

This was in 1829.
First time around it didn't go so well cos first employed officer lasted 4 hours on the job before being found drunk.

Glasgow in Scotland had a better police force than London City.

The police in the UK are traditionally unarmed because it was essential to the perception of the public that they could not be used as an oppressive arm of the state. The logic at the time being that if a police officer needed a firearm he could simply borrow one from an upstanding gentleman. (British gents at the time were expected to be armed and they were carrying up the whazoo).

Interesting how time changes eh?

What about the rights of a 19 year old community member having a personal crisis while he was home alone.
3 police officers came in and shot him twice fatally because he was cursing them while they threw him down the stairs. They were called to a noise complaint.

What about the rights of the three 12 year olds throwing snowballs at passerby pedestrians (not moving vehicles) who got beat up by four police officers and then dropped off "in the hood" where gang bangers will shoot you just for wearing the wrong colors on their block.

What about the rights of the mother and child who get abused because their father "knows someone" and gets away with beating them every single day in a drunken rage?

What about the right of the AIDS patient who safely and securely grows medical marijuana getting raided and invaded in his own home by "storm troopers" who might as well be on coc aine (because of adrenaline) screaming, shouting, pointing, and threatening to end his life if he doesn't comply with their orders in a split second?

I don't hate police officers. I don't hate the law, and don't hate on the ones who defend and serve my rights.
I hate the people who think they have the right to trump everyone Else's rights just because they own a badge and a gun.
The public isn't out to get you. Sure, there are a few who might be, but just like you say -- we can't "paint everyone with the same brush".
Everybody lives in the same community. If you as a police officer feel threatened in the community you are supposed to be serving, imagine how the community feels...

Originally posted by wytewingdove
But who would you call if you fell victim to a violent crime? What if a loved one was murdered by a drug addict or serial killer?

I see both sides of the debate and both are valid points.

if vigilantism was not illegal, the police would not wield the "powers" they possess today.