Quotes from NASA Astronauts & Specialists on UFO's

During take off from the B-52 the footages clearly shows there was no ice on the X-15, also during the rear view when the X-15 reached 4,000 mph.
Another thing is that during supersonic speed, the material of the jet crafts is exposed to extreme heat at these high speeds www.dfrc.nasa.gov...

X-15A-2 post flight photo showing HEAT DAMAGE from Mach 6.7 flight on 3 Oct 67. Flt. 2-53-97; pilot-Pete Knight.

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A particularly difficult issue with flight at over Mach 3 is the HIGH TEMPERATURES GENERATED. As an aircraft moves through the air at supersonic speed, the air in front of the aircraft is compressed into a supersonic shock wave, and the energy generated by this HEATS the airframe. To address this problem, high-temperature materials were needed, and the airframe of the SR-71 was substantially made of titanium, obtained from the USSR at the height of the Cold War.

So it would be impossible for any ice to be created on these jet crafts, even impossible on the SR-71 Black Bird, during supersonic speeds.

www.youtube.com... www.youtube.com... www.youtube.com... www.youtube.com... www.youtube.com... Question is did X-43 and/or X-51 caught any UFO on camera during their test flights? And was any UFO briefing held behind closed doors this time? Good question.

This is offered as evidence:a UFO buff says the following:

"During a May 11th, 1962 lecture at the "Second National Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Space Research" in Seattle, Washington, Joe Walker also claimed that one of his mission objectives during his April 1962 flight in the X-15 was to detect and film UFOs at high altitude."


How does the UFO writer know? Did he hear the speech or read the transcript? Do we have any account from anybody who did, or are we still stick with enthusiastic imaginers writing down what they would love to believe to be true.

Why is this question so hard? Where is a direct report of the alleged Walker comments?

Maybe there ARE no direct reports and it's ALL just UFO fantasizing. That happens a lot.

Originally posted by Anunaki10
During take off from the B-52 the footages clearly shows there was no ice on the X-15, also during the rear view when the X-15 reached 4,000 mph.
Another thing is that during supersonic speed, the material of the jet crafts is exposed to extreme heat at these high speeds

You can't seriously suggest that a tail-end view through rocket plume can show any ice around vent ports around the engine? Or that extreme heat on a rocket plane's forward surface is the same as heat inside the engine compartment in a vacuum?

Originally posted by JimOberg
You can't seriously suggest that a tail-end view through rocket plume can show any ice around vent ports around the engine? Or that extreme heat on a rocket plane's forward surface is the same as heat inside the engine compartment in a vacuum?

Do you see ice on the X-15 at any time, all the way from take off from the B-52, to the tail-end view, up to 4,000 mph? Try look at the video footages again, and you might finally discover there was no ice on the X-15 anywhere at any time.
And as i previously said, it is NOT possible for any ice to be created on any jet crafts that travel at supersonic speeds, as they are exposed to extreme high temperatures during these high speeds.
As with the Black Bird "A particularly difficult issue with flight at over Mach 3 is the HIGH TEMPERATURES GENERATED. As an aircraft moves through the air at supersonic speed, the air in front of the aircraft is compressed into a supersonic shock wave, and the energy generated by this HEATS the airframe", same goes to X-15. www.dfrc.nasa.gov...

X-15A-2 post flight photo showing HEAT DAMAGE from Mach 6.7 flight on 3 Oct 67. Flt. 2-53-97; pilot-Pete Knight.

As you can see, X-15s are exposed heat damage, which should tell you (or does it?) that NO ice can be created on the X-15 when it fly at supersonic speed users.dbscorp.net... And even this photo of the flying X-15 show NO ice on it.

Additional Information: The X-15 was made primarily from titanium and stainless steel. The airframe was covered with Inconel X nickel, an alley which could withstand temperatures up to 1,200 degrees F. Because the X-15 was OFTEN SUBJECTED TO TEMPERATURES HIGHER THAN 1,200 degrees, the plane was often covered with a pink ablative material (MA-25S) which could "boil" away, carrying the heat with it (this material was covered with a white material that protected the MA-25S while the X-15 was in transit).

So no, your unsupported ice theory doesn't work. In case the X-15 was covered with thick ice i think they would have cancelled the flight. There is not even ice on air combat aircrafts, even when they fly slowly, NOT even ice on the B-52 that carried the X-15

Ice around vent ports around the engine? Come on, you can't be that serious, can you? Was there ice anywhere on the X-15 before take off? No. Not during it's flight either. Even flying the speed of the B-52, both crafts are still too hot for any ice to be created on them.

Geez, you don't really believe that ice can be created even at temperatures up to 1,200 degrees F, do you?

And as i previously said, IF we assume there was ice on the X-15, it will quickly fall off at supersonic speeds, and quickly left far behind the X-15, and fall down.
But, geez, you don't really believe there was ice on the X-15, before the B-52 left the ground?

Originally posted by JimOberg
This is offered as evidence:a UFO buff says the following:

"During a May 11th, 1962 lecture at the "Second National Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Space Research" in Seattle, Washington, Joe Walker also claimed that one of his mission objectives during his April 1962 flight in the X-15 was to detect and film UFOs at high altitude."

How does the UFO writer know? Did he hear the speech or read the transcript? Do we have any account from anybody who did, or are we still stick with enthusiastic imaginers writing down what they would love to believe to be true.

Why is this question so hard? Where is a direct report of the alleged Walker comments?

Maybe there ARE no direct reports and it's ALL just UFO fantasizing. That happens a lot.

I agree with you about the lack of information of sources about the claim of Joe Walker's alleged UFO lecture to the audience at the National Conference. I'm also speculating why there are lack of sources to these claims on the Internet. A possible explanation could be that researchers have forgot to mention it on the Internet. It seems the UFO Hunters from History Channel www.youtube.com... mentioned about Joe Walker's UFO lecture to the audience at the National Conference. The UFO Hunters are known for digging deep, contact and interview persons/witnesses who are 'in the know'. I doubt the UFO Hunters took Joe Walker's UFOs 'out of the blue' and made it up. So either the UFO Hunters may have interviewed Joe Walker himself, or people who know Joe Walker.
Damn it, the lack of sources on the Internet. There is also something else. I just came across this www.realufos.net...

Worked at NASA? Why now, is an ideal time to come forward on what you know on UFOs: Ok, the public has recently been saturated with ongoing videos and evidence recently linking NASA to numerous UFO observations. People are LOOKING FOR ANSWERS and so the path for NASA disclosure has been paved. In fact, i have recently been made aware that over the coming weeks some important people 'in the know' are revealing new evidence of the ongoing NASA ufo COVERUP (more on this shortly).

In relation to this upcoming event i have been asked to request any of our readers that if you have worked at NASA & are aware of the coverup there that now is a better time than ever to come forward on what you know. Why you may ask? -Because others in your situation are doing so at the moment. It's a hot topic and the PUBLIC are ready for ANSWERS! Even President Obama is pushing the disclosure envelope with his stance that - 'The culture of SECRECY of is now is OVER'
Please if you do have any vital information in this regard please get in contact with Paradigm Research Group, the Disclosure Project or Project Camelot - your reports and submissions will be taken discreetly and seriously.

Even Obama is pushing the disclosure? In that case, he is not the first President to do so (other Presidents did NOT succeed, because the U.S. 'Secret Shadow Goverment' PREVENTED IT!). Hopefully Obama will succeed the disclosure, unless the U.S. 'Secret Shadow Government' will prevent it (will this happen this time as well? Geez, and we are writing 2011 today!).

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

NASA by Timothy Good

The National Aeronautics and Space Administration, established in 1958, coordinates and directs the aeronautical and space research program in the United States. Its budget for space activities alone is LARGER than the general budgets of a number of the world's important countries.

Although officially a civilian agency, NASA collaborates with the Department of Defense, National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Agency, and other agencies, and many of its personnel have Security Clearances owing to the sensitive intelligence aspects of its programs. Research into UFOs is one SUCH program.

In May 1962 NASA pilot Joseph A. Walker admitted that it was one of his appointed tasks to detect unidentified objects during his flights in the rocket-powered X-15 aircraft, and referred to five or six disc-shaped or cylindrical shaped objects that he had filmed during his record-breaking high flight in April that year.

He also admitted that it was the second occasion on which he had filmed UFOs in flight.

>>I don't feel like talking about them,>All I know is what appeared on the film which was developed after the flight.>If I become President,>I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public and the scientists.>I'm the President of the United States. I should know if we are endangered by some THREAT from outer space. If you have something to say about a THREAT posed by this one species of aliens, then I want to hear it.

Mr. Oberg, it's not you i accuse for lying. It's NASA itself. I assume you may have got your informations about the ice theory about the X-15 from a NASA scientist, or who call himself or herself a scientist. You couldn't possibly have known that the ice theory apparently doesn't work on the X-15.

Originally posted by Anunaki10
Mr. Oberg, it's not you i accuse for lying. It's NASA itself. I assume you may have got your informations about the ice theory about the X-15 from a NASA scientist, or who call himself or herself a scientist. You couldn't possibly have known that the ice theory apparently doesn't work on the X-15.

No, I got the ice story from an X-15 pilot, and I had gotten the ice stories from shuttle flights from my own twenty years experience serving in NASA's Mission Control in Houston. But don't let me get in the way of your enthusiastic pretenses of your own superior pseudo-knowledge, it seems to be an important part of your self-image. I'll just step aside and let nature take its course.

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Originally posted by JimOberg
No, I got the ice story from an X-15 pilot, and I had gotten the ice stories from shuttle flights from my own twenty years experience serving in NASA's Mission Control in Houston. But don't let me get in the way of your enthusiastic pretenses of your own superior pseudo-knowledge, it seems to be an important part of your self-image. I'll just step aside and let nature take its course.

Are facts the same as pseudo-knowledge to you? Are you able to prove your unsupported ice theory?
How about the unnamed X-15 pilot you claim to have the ice story from, did he said that ice can be created at temperatures up to 1,200 degrees? And does this X-15 pilot have a name? Are you refering to Bill Dana? Or are you refering to Dr. Ray Puffer who allegedly supplied you with the transcript of Robert White’s postflight debrief? Or does this unnamed X-15 pilot have a completely another name?

I didn't talk about ice in space during shuttle flights, but thanks for bring it up anyway. For example during Scott Carpenter's spaceflight, the outer skin of the Mercury spacecraft was covered with ice from the water cooling system and/or the hydrogen peroxide jets.
Does these sources from the shuttle flights have names, as you claim you got the ice stories from? And what did these ice stories in space told you?

wn.com... 'The Disclosure Project - NASA employee Ms. Donna Hare revealed that photos of anomalies on the Moon have been 'airbrushed' away by NASA, and she also told that a guard told her that he was ordered to burn photos, not to look at them, but only burn them, and was knocked out by another guard who was guarding him, because that guard who was ordered to burn them had looked at a UFO shown on a photo. She also revealed that another NASA employee told her that the astronauts saw UFOs on the Moon, and that the Astronauts were told to be quiet about it. www.galactic-server.com... www.bibliotecapleyades.net... www.ufo-disclosure.com... www.examiner.com...

Donna Hare had a secret clearance while working for NASA contractor, Philco Ford. She testifies that she was shown a photo of a picture with a distinct UFO. Her colleague explained that it was his job to airbrush such evidence of UFOs out of photographs before they were released to the public. She also heard information from other Johnson Space Center employees that some astronauts had seen extraterrestrial craft and that when some of them wanted to speak out about this they were THREATENED!

wn.com... Someone who claim to be a former NASA employee and claim to be suffering of bone cancer, claim to have seen a Grey alien during his work at NASA. He is obviously implying that Grey aliens work in NASA, among the scientists. He mention thair telepathic abilities.

According to other 'Whistleblowers', 'Nordics' had a telepathic meeting with President Eisenhower, were they tried to warn Eisenhower against the 'Big Nosed Greys'. The 'Nordics' allegedly suggested the President to cancel the Americans' nuclear weapon program, and did not wanted to share their advanced alien technology. Eisenhower allegedly refused to listen to the 'Nordics', and decided to continue the nuclear weapon program. The next aliens the 'Big Nosed Greys' also allegedly had a telepathic meeting with Eisenhower, were they allegedly suggested the President to share some of their advanced alien technology, in case Eisenhower let them have alien bases on Earth, and abduct humans. Eisenhower allegedly accepted these terms, and a treaty was then allegedly signed with these 'Big Nosed Greys'. According to some 'Whistleblowers', the 'Big Nosed Greys' should report every single human they abducted to the MJ-12 group, but the abductions allegedly got out of control (too many abductions maybe?), and some abductees allegedly never returned, and high ranking military personnel and scientists allegedly complain about lack of teaching in alien technology.
So it's not only rumors about aliens working together with U.S. Air Force and NAVY personnel, but now also rumors about aliens working together with NASA scientists...

reply to post by Anunaki10


This is the kind of story you could learn so much by checking out -- but you still don't know enough to want to check it out. Somebody needs to teach you a little more insistently.

You would also discover that whoever posted this two years ago grabbed the name of a NASA scientist who was brutally bludgeoned to death at home along with two children. The video gives his name and shows his picture.

How do you suppose his widow would feel if she finds out some loathesome prankster was splashing her dead husband's name and photo all over the Internet? And being aided and abetted by some eager-believer airhead who doesn't seem to care about inflicting new pain into private grief?

Originally posted by JimOberg
This is the kind of story you could learn so much by checking out -- but you still don't know enough to want to check it out.

You would also discover that whoever posted this two years ago grabbed the name of a NASA scientist who was brutally bludgeoned to death at home along with two children. The video gives his name and shows his picture.

How do you suppose his widow would feel if she finds out some loathesome prankster was splashing her dead husband's name and photo all over the Internet? And being aided and abetted by some eager-believer airhead who doesn't seem to care about inflicting new pain into private grief?

I have in mind (since several days ago) to try contact some of the sources, and see what i can find out. I just think, i'm afraid to say, nothing much will come out. But, i will try soon anyway. Who knows, maybe i will be lucky this time, maybe not.
Few years ago i contacted a researcher (i don't remember his name at this moment) about Victor Afanasyev's alleged UFO sighting in space. I told him that the time of his official spaceflight don't match the time of his alleged UFO sighting, and the claim about the lifting off from Star City, when Cosmonauts are supposed to lift off from Baikonur Cosmodrome. He told me that he was going to visit Russia at that time, and he would try to find out more about it, but he couldn't promise me anything. He would contact me in case he should succeed to find some info. Unfortunately, i haven't heard from him since. So i'm afraid we may never find out wether Afanasyev really saw a UFO in space or not, i'm afraid.

I still find it odd why Joe walker should be ordered to film UFOs. It could be nice if there were more info about it. www.ipmsstockholm.org...

The X-15A-2 fared less well than its pilot. As a result of frictional heating during its speed record flight, the airframe suffered permanent damage. The X-15A-2 never flew again. Post flight analysis showed that the shock wave from the spike on the dummy ramjet caused unexpected heating on the leading edge of the ventral stabilizer. While Knight was setting a new speed record, the high heat burnt through the ventral stabilizer damaging the airframe and wiring. Approximately 25 seconds after the rocket engine shut down, damage to the ventral was so severe that the dummy ramjet was severed from the X-15. The ramjet was found later on the Edwards Air Force Base bombing range.

I think if they had changed the airframe with more effective material, they had the chance to decrease the heat damage.
It could be interesting if NASA would make an experiment by using two modified X-15 flying side by side, and let the cameras film each other, to see what Bob White and Joe Walker really saw up there, to see very close views on each X-15, about 60 miles above Earth's atmosphere (Mesosphere).

Are you refering to Joseph Paul Ciganek? latimesblogs.latimes.com...

Joseph Paul Ciganek, 60, a white man, was found dead along with a woman and two children in a burning home in the 43200 block of 45th Street West in Quartz Hill about 5 p.m. Monday, June 23.

The bodies of Jenny Park, an Asian woman, and her two children, Jaime, 13 and Justin, 8 or 9, were also found. Neighbors identified Park and two children. According to L.A. County Sheriff's Lt. David Coleman, Ciganek and his wife, Jocelyn Ciganek, shared their home with Park and her two children. "The slain woman and children are relatives of Jocelyn Ciganek..." Coleman said.

Ciganek's wife was not home at the time of the incident. Authorities said she was on her way home from her job at a nearby mall when the blaze began.

According to L.A. County coroner's spokesman Ed Winter, Ciganek, a NASA employee, and the boy died from blunt-force trauma. Park and her daughter died from multiple stab wounds. "The burns they suffered happened after they were killed and did not contribute to the death," Winter told the L.A. Times.

Seems Ciganek was murdered. Philip Schneider was also found dead, the Police concluded he also was murdered, i think.

Originally posted by Anunaki10
Few years ago i contacted a researcher (i don't remember his name at this moment) about Victor Afanasyev's alleged UFO sighting in space. I told him that the time of his official spaceflight don't match the time of his alleged UFO sighting, and the claim about the lifting off from Star City, when Cosmonauts are supposed to lift off from Baikonur Cosmodrome. He told me that he was going to visit Russia at that time, and he would try to find out more about it, but he couldn't promise me anything. He would contact me in case he should succeed to find some info. Unfortunately, i haven't heard from him since. So i'm afraid we may never find out wether Afanasyev really saw a UFO in space or not, i'm afraid.

Always somebody else's fault that YOU are such an easy mark for UFO hoaxes. Is that your excuse?

What more is there to find out, that would take a trip to moscow to resolve?

All the checkable claims about spaceflight in that TV program were clumsy lies.

They seem to have been crafted with the expectation that their target audience would swallow them effortlessly.

You don't have to go to Moscow to determine that.

Originally posted by Anunaki10
I still find it odd why Joe walker should be ordered to film UFOs. It could be nice if there were more info about it.

I don't find it odd at all -- pathetic, but not odd -- that in the utter absence of any verifiable independent source, you still believe some UFO writer's fantasy that Walker said that.

"More" info implies there already is SOME info -- but as far as I can tell, there is NO info to start with, only somebody's fictions you defiantly still believe even when you failed to find any separate corroboration.

Originally posted by JimOberg
Always somebody else's fault that YOU are such an easy mark for UFO hoaxes. Is that your excuse?

What more is there to find out, that would take a trip to moscow to resolve?

All the checkable claims about spaceflight in that TV program were clumsy lies.

They seem to have been crafted with the expectation that their target audience would swallow them effortlessly.

You don't have to go to Moscow to determine that.

Is it really somebody else's fault? I never said that. Beside, i don't think you are able to figure out wether Afanasyev's alleged UFO sighting is hoax, or not.

What TV program about Afanasyev are you talking about? These? www.youtube.com... www.youtube.com... www.youtube.com...

According to this www.rg.ru... Afanasyev reportedly said that the UFO sighting was false, and that the object he saw was only 40 cm long.
This la-femme.net... mention Afanasyev's 40 centimeter rectangular shaped UFO with a hole in the middle.
According to this, Afanasyev www.chas-daily.com...?r=&printer=1& express a little bit about his opinion about UFO sightings, were he said that UFOs can't be proven.
According to this planeta.blogrus.ru... Afanasyev said they saw the 40 cm rectangular shaped object while in space in 1994.

Then according to this boris-shurinov.info... Alex P mention that Afanasyev said that the 40 meter long extraterrestrial vehicle followed them in 6 hours.

It seems most links say he more likely saw a 40 cm long object, and not 40 meter. I think they more likely wrote 1979 by mistake, as well as writing lifting off from Star City by mistake. And that is bad journalism/research/writing work.

Originally posted by JimOberg
I don't find it odd at all -- pathetic, but not odd -- that in the utter absence of any verifiable independent source, you still believe some UFO writer's fantasy that Walker said that.

"More" info implies there already is SOME info -- but as far as I can tell, there is NO info to start with, only somebody's fictions you defiantly still believe even when you failed to find any separate corroboration.

I never said i believe in writer's fantasy. What make you think it's the writer's fantasy? You don't know wether it's the writer's fantasy or not, or what sources he/she/they use.
I think Walker's alleged order to film UFOs need further investigation.

Oh yes, there IS info out there, including on the Internet. Did you forget that the UFO Hunters from History Channel also mentioned Walker? Are you aware that the UFO Hunters are known for digging in cases, and contact and interview people/witnesses who are 'in the know'? Or did you simply forget that the UFO Hunters took that case?

Originally posted by Anunaki10
Did you forget that the UFO Hunters from History Channel also mentioned Walker? Are you aware that the UFO Hunters are known for digging in cases, and contact people/witnesses who are 'in the know'? Or did you simply forget that the UFO Hunters took that case?

Are you suggesting that when the same old rumor was repeated by a fourth or fourteenth or a fortieth program, that makes it MORE reliable? Your naivite is touching.

Originally posted by JimOberg
Are you suggesting that when the same old rumor was repeated by a fourth or fourteenth or a fortieth program, that makes it MORE reliable? Your naivite is touching.

Naive? It's you who are naive. Unlike you, i keep an open mind. It's clear you don't know who the UFO Hunters talked to.

UFO Hunters:The Nasa Files (Part 1 of 5) www.youtube.com... From about 2:22 in this part 1, clearly show footage of a fast moving UFO making a turn in space, and just after that, another footage show another UFO making a sharp angle turn, and thereby change direction, then speeds up and heading towards deep space. And from about 3:30 the UFO Hunters pay former NASA engineer John Schuessler a visit who claim to had Top Secret Clearance, who show them secret NASA documents, also including documents about astronaut James McDevitt's UFO sighting in space www.orreman7.com... bufogsightings2.blogspot.com... (This photo shown to the public is not what James McDevitt saw, he allegedly said)

UFO Hunters:The Nasa Files (Part 2 of 5) www.youtube.com... During the first part of this Part 2, they explain that the photo shown to the public is NOT what James McDevitt saw, and denies NASA's light reflection from the window explanation. So that's another good example that shows NASA is LYING! From about 0:54 they explain astronaut James Lovell's and Frank Borman's UFO sighting in space in 1965. From about 3:50 the UFO Hunters pay former NASA employee Donna Hare a visit, who explain the CoverUp of UFOs by NASA, and that her phone was tapped and that she was watched/followed by 'National Security or CIA agents'-looking dudes.

UFO Hunters:The Nasa Files (Part 3 of 5) www.youtube.com... During the first part of this Part 3, they explain that some of the sightings is caused by small 'debris' between the layers of the windows of the Space Shuttle. So at least this one shows a natural explanation of some of the sightings. But, from about 3:00 they explain unusual sightings shown by cameras attached on the outside of Space Shuttle, and from about 3:30 the camera show the fast moving object that make a turn in space (also shown in Part 1). NASA's official explanation is ice flake breaking off from Space Shuttle, but Dr. Jack Kasher DISMISS NASA's ice flake / ice particle explanation. From about 6:49 the another footage show the sharp angle turning object in space, and thereby change direction, then speeds up and heading towards deep space.

UFO Hunters:The Nasa Files (Part 4 of 5) www.youtube.com... UFO Hunters: The Nasa Files (Part 5 of 5) www.youtube.com... From about 3:55 from this Part 5, they explain that Joe Walker filmed 5 cylindrical objects from the X-15 on April, 1962, and that Joe Walker told a stunned audience that during the previous month he had filmed two disc-shaped objects, and that Walker's statement was a rare discussion by a NASA pilot regarding sightings of UFOs.