What Is Donald Trump, Newborn Birther, Trying To Hide From Us?

Originally posted by kinda kurious
reply to post by Stewie

 

Well I partially agree. There may very well be a set up, but I don't think it is Obama. In the spirit of conspiracy, I think the entire Birther movement is being set up. In the parlance of Mark Twain, Obama exudes the calm confidence of a Christian holding four aces.

I think he is going to draw the fife and drum crowd into the largest political defeat in recent memory. He'll let them amplify the Birth Certificate accusation to the point of a platform and then BAM! How do you like dem aces ladies.

In the words of Napoleon: "Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake."

Oh and BTW, I am no longer a staunch defender of Obama the President, but rather Obama the American Citizen.

Regarding Trump, attacking sitting Presidents is nothing new:

edit on 29-3-2011 by kinda kurious because: (no reason given)

Hey KK. That strategy from Obama has often entered my mind. However, a member in another thread brought up the possibility of that strategy backfiring on Obama. If he holds up and waives the long form at the last minute is would just illuminate his intent to deliberately deceive for years and to play the nation against itself like a fiddle.

I do smell a set up brewing. Obama has to be very careful in regards to Libya and the rest of the Middle East turmoil right now. Obama has or had many staunch anti war supporters in his ranks. Based on his vague speech last night I would say that we will be in Libya for a long time. More nation building as we turn a blind eye to the killings in Syria et al. Obama is pissing off a broad section of his base and he is stoking the embers of hate in the radical Muslim community. We are in for a bumpy ride

That's the Donald's short form BC... Wow... there's practically NO information on that one! Not even a town or a state! (I know the Jamaica Hospital is in Queens, NY)

You know what's funny? Trump showing this short form BC proves that he doesn't even know the birther story! He clearly doesn't know that Obama's short form is plastered all around the web... Else why would he challenge Obama by showing his own short form?

Someone needs to bring the Donald up on the position he's decided to latch on to.

What's he trying to hide? The fact that he doesn't know what he's talking about, maybe? That's my vote.

Edit: I stand corrected. The BC that Donald is showing is not even the short form BC! It's the hospital-generated one! It's WORTHLESS as far as being an official document! From the OP source:

As seen above, he provided the conservative web site with what he purports to be his birth certificate.

Except the document is not an official New York City birth certificate, but rather a document generated by Jamaica Hospital, where Trump’s mother Mary reportedly gave birth in June 1946. Official birth certificates are issued (and maintained) by the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene’s Office of Vital Records.

reply to post by lifttheveil


That is obviously fake.

Two can play THAT game.

Originally posted by jibeho
Hey KK. That strategy from Obama has often entered my mind. However, a member in another thread brought up the possibility of that strategy backfiring on Obama. If he holds up and waives the long form at the last minute is would just illuminate his intent to deliberately deceive for years and to play the nation against itself like a fiddle.

Nah, he has provided whatever was necessary to comply with all federal eligibiliy requirements for preidency to the satisfaction of responsible parties.

Perhaps basic miimum requirements, but nothing to satsfy the morbid curiosity of a deranged group of detractors. To honor the ubfounded request would serve to legitimize it. Maybe it is a gamble, but at the very least a rather large portion of the oposition would have enough egg on theirface to make the world's biggest omelette.

Should be interesting either way. Please pass the salt and pepper.

Originally posted by kinda kurious
reply to post by lifttheveil

 

That is obviously fake.

Two can play THAT game.

Can you prove that? I am of the understanding that it is the genuine article?

www.newsmax.com...

Besides the fact that he's going bald, the only other thing he could be hiding is his apparent lack of functioning brain. But then IMO, all "Birthers" are idiots and I can see no reason why Trump should be an exception to that rule.

Look, the U.S. Constitution may very well require that a person be a natural born citizen in order to be eligible to run for the office of President, but it does not require that he/she provide a birth certificate as proof of said eligibility and I would challenge anyone to prove otherwise.

The lack of an official birth certificate issued by a qualifying hospital is not, in and of itself, proof that someone was born outside of the U.S.. The reason I'm pointing out this tiny little flaw in the "Birther" mindset is due some of my own life experiences in which I was, from time to time, posed with a very similar dilemma.

As an elected union official who was sometimes tasked with insuring that workers who wished to join the union had all the required documentation including Birth Certificate, High School Diploma, Social Security Card, State or Federal I.D., I.N.S. status if applicable and proof of passing a standard physical examination by a qualified physician. (We did not require that a prospective member be a U.S. citizen, only that they provide a copy of their birth certificate.)

Well to my surprise, I soon discovered that some people who were actually born in the U.S. do not have official birth certificates proving that they were born here, or anywhere else for that matter. This was primarily due to the fact that they were born in their homes via mid-wives and no official hospital record of their birth exist anywhere. In order to prove their births, one has to interview witnesses and in many cases, search out other records including church records and newspaper articles which documented the birth at the time. I found that this phenomena is much more prevalent within the minority races and the impoverished sector of our population.

I know that this is a rare exception to the rule and most people don't even consider the possibility but I can tell you, it does indeed occur. Even in today's medical environment, many people are choosing to birth their children at home in this manner, although our record keeping procedures of these births today is much more comprehensive than it was in the past. The same is true for marriage certificates, you don't always need one to prove that you were actually married. Common law marriage is considered legal and binding in many, if not most, states and there are various ways to prove it's existence other that an official certificate.

Anyway, I just thought I would point out this gaping hole in the "Birther" logic and mentality, that's why it takes an idiot to embrace it.

reply to post by Flatfish


So, you revert to calling people with opposing viewpoints within a Conspiracy website "IDIOTS" on multiple occasions. Are you trying to gain credibility?

Keep up the good work and thanks for contributing to the growing lowbrow element around here.

Originally posted by lifttheveil
I am of the understanding that it is the genuine article?

This may be the "genuine article". But there are THREE different kids of Birth Certificates.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

1. There's the Novelty Birth Certificate, sometimes called a Souvenir, which the hospital generates and sends home with the mom so she can put it on the wall. It has NO legal significance whatsoever. Sometimes there's a footprint on this document. It's only a souvenir, though. (This is the one that Donald's flashing around as his BC.)

2. Then there's the Long Form Birth Certificate. The original document, generated by the Health Dept of the state. This has ALL information on it. The Dr's. name, the hospital's name, etc. This is the official record of the child's birth.

3. Then there's the Short Form Birth Certificate, the information on which is taken directly from the long form. There is LESS information on this one, but it's still an official document and can be used for 99% of all legal cases of identity, as long as it has a raised seal and is signed by the State Registrar. (This is the one Obama's campaign posted on his website and let Factcheck.org see to do a story on.) Pictures Here

Donald doesn't even know enough to show his long form when demanding that Obama do the same!

People still concerned with BO's birth certificate?

The reason he doesn't want to show it is because in Hawaii, up until recently, when a child was born their race was the same as their mother. Hence BO's birth certificate will indicate that he is "white".

It's silly but I served with a guy who was in the same situation, and he was embarrassed that his birth certificate indicated that he was white. Imagine the flack (in good nature) he caught from us when we found out.

Now what's really fishy, is why does it bother BO so much that he will be officially labeled as "white"?

reply to post by jibeho


Maybe you could show me the constitutional requirement that an official "birth certificate" is the only acceptable proof of natural citizenship for those who are running for and/or holding the office of POTUS.

Seeing how you can't, maybe you can see the idiocy and/or total lack of constitutional legitimacy of their argument. The same people who continuously promote this "birther" issue are always pointing to the constitution as their supporting document but there is no validity to their claim.

Republican/Tea Baggers are some of the worst losers I ever seen. They have no concept of what it is to lose an election so they promote baseless accusations intended to divide America and alienate our President. Now that's what I call being patriotic.

Even a little league baseball team is taught to accept defeat in a respectable manner, we call it being a good sport. They are not taught to start screaming "You Cheated" based on fictitious rule violations in an attempt to get their loss overturned.

In my book, when someone fabricates a violation of the constitution and then promotes that false violation as a premiss to overturn the results of an election, they're an idiot and I'm sorry if that term is too strong but if the shoe fits, they should wear it.

How about Trump['s version of the "Bridge To Nowhere" meaning the incomplete Trump Plaza Condo complex in Jersey City, NJ that only 1 tower is up and filled with no indication as to when Plaza II will commence.

en.wikipedia.org...(Jersey_City)

That is what he is hiding. How can he be trusted to lead this nation when he starts projects and does not complete them?

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


The good thing for the Donald is that the people he is playing to really dont care all that much about things like "details" "facts" "truth" etc.

He really doesnt need to bring any game. He just needs to show up and chant something vaguely reminiscent of what the rest of them are chanting and he is in like Flynn.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
The good thing for the Donald is that the people he is playing to really dont care all that much about things like "details" "facts" "truth" etc.

Good point. This fact is what keeps their "case" alive.

He really doesnt need to bring any game. He just needs to show up and chant something vaguely reminiscent of what the rest of them are chanting and he is in like Flynn.

He has 'game' to bring? That would be a real surprise... Donald Trump's got Game. ANYWAY, I hope he does run! I hope he and Sarah and Michele are the ones to choose from! Three Stooges!

Here's an update to this story:

An aide to Donald Trump is defending his boss for releasing an unofficial hospital record he claimed was a birth certificate, while also seeking to distance the real estate mogul from the so-called birther movement he's repeatedly whipped up in recent days.

The aide, Michael Cohen, says Trump will focus on "more important" issues if he runs for president next year.

Read more: www.politico.com...

Originally posted by lifttheveil

Originally posted by kinda kurious
reply to post by lifttheveil

 

That is obviously fake.

Two can play THAT game.

Can you prove that? I am of the understanding that it is the genuine article?

www.newsmax.com...

Back at ya. From YOUR SAME SOURCE!

Obama Was Born in the United States

www.newsmax.com...

What Trump is hiding is Ron Paul. As soon as Trump entered the politics game this year all hopes for Ron Paul becoming President went down the drain. Money talks. I think he was probably set up to become President for awhile now, if you look at the reality TV shows the CFR-run media put him on. His exposure and overshadowing of Ron Paul at this critical stage in American history is a sad day for true Americans who, like George Washington, believe that political parties are divisive tools that create and propagate career politicians...

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Sorry BH we rarely disagree, but the BC checks out. I've also obtained corroborating photographic evidence:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8093e40ea452.jpg[/atsimg]

reply to post by kinda kurious


Hey, what can I say? Pictures or it didn't happen. And you've got pictures.

Cute little Donnie!

Originally posted by Dendro
I'm not American so I have no clue as to which territories outside the actual country exist but as far as I know... Jamaica isn't apart of America so does that make Trump ineligible to run for office?

He was born in Jamaica, Queens, NY.

Trump is self promoting, that's what he does best. He has zero shot at the US presidency. Trump was savaged daily in the NY media throughout the 1980s and 90s for shady real estate deals, slumlord behavior, poorly zoned and unfinished projects, not paying the prizes at his Atlantic City casinos, falsely promoting boxing matches... the list goes on and on.

What people see today is the reborn Donald Trump. He has/had a successful TV show (The Apprentice), he reached billionaire status (highly questionable as his finances have never been transparent), he makes himself available for comment on controversial topics for the NY media to feed off of (with the tacit agreement they no longer attack him), and now he talks in concerned laymen terms about common sense topics, not the elitist language the defined his early years.

Truth is I actually kinda like the reborn Trump, and knowing him for too many years now I'd guess he's jumping on the birther bandwagon for a few reasons:

1. He can hang his hat on the knowledge that Obama cannot produce friends from his childhood to support where he was born - for whatever reason. (Lord only knows where Trump got this solid lead).

2. It's a controversial topic where he is giving good sound bites to the NY MSM under the agreement they treat him fairly if he runs for president. (I scratch your back, you scratch mine).

3. With this angle, he has built in supporters to attract to his (R) base. Not other serious candidate has given this fringe crowd the time of day. (It is what it is, I'm not making any judgments).

So to sum up, what does The Donald get with his birther strategy: Air time and more self promotion. Buys a safe zone in MSM for his participation in this headline-making charade. Portrays himself as genuinely concerned about Obama's birthplace (he got a solid tip) to make a "land grab" for an established voter block (the birthers) before officially announcing his presidential run.

That's what I think.

EDIT TO ADD: For the OP, what is Trump hiding? I'd say his questionable real-estate and casino past - he's deflecting.

Hi, folks. If this has been said already than I will say it again. I smell PRS. Trump has been on Oprah recently as well. The guy is making an obvious bid for the White House. He will probably run 'Repugnant-lican'. Here is what is going to happen. Trump will make a fuss about the Birth Certificate and Obama's folks will deploy whatever they have been working on for the last couple of years to 'finally put an end to the questions'. Should be as simple as that. Then Trump will be rewarded for participating with political clout.
Am I the only one seeing this? You are seeing the end of the 'Birthers'. This should finally silence them.