Do you think we will make the jump to a Type I civilization? Or destroy ourselves?

Originally posted by spy66

It really doesn't change anything if we choose not to be doom and gloom. You have to face the future non the less when it comes, despite what we like to believe right now.

Our scientist do a very fine job at the moment, but they are loosing the race against resources non the less.

Ok -- I see a less total destruction future then you do.

How do you really know we are loosing the race against resources?

You know only what you are supposed to know.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by spy66

It really doesn't change anything if we choose not to be doom and gloom. You have to face the future non the less when it comes, despite what we like to believe right now.

Our scientist do a very fine job at the moment, but they are loosing the race against resources non the less.

Ok -- I see a less total destruction future then you do.

How do you really know we are loosing the race against resources?

You know only what you are supposed to know.

How do i know that science is loosing the race against resources?

I know this because of Peak Oil.

I know this because i have read Limits To Growth.

I know this because of IEA "Oil Market Report OMR". They monitor the markets and the reserves.

I know this because of AE Alternative energy. If you read: pay attention to what resources that are needed. Then think about how they harvested the resources and transport it. "By machinery powered by fossil fuel".

You can not read just one of these topics and expect them to say that we are all screwed. You have to read everything and sum it all up. Than you will see that we are loosing the race.

Originally posted by spy66
How do i know that science is loosing the race against resources?

I know this because of Peak Oil.

I know this because i have read Limits To Growth.

I know this because of IEA "Oil Market Report OMR". They monitor the markets and the reserves.

I know this because of AE Alternative energy. If you read: pay attention to what resources that are needed. Then think about how they harvested the resources and transport it. "By machinery powered by fossil fuel".

You can not read just one of these topics and expect them to say that we are all screwed. You have to read everything and sum it all up. Than you will see that we are loosing the race.

So you choose to believe what you are told?

Maybe we are not told everything.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by spy66
How do i know that science is loosing the race against resources?

I know this because of Peak Oil.

I know this because i have read Limits To Growth.

I know this because of IEA "Oil Market Report OMR". They monitor the markets and the reserves.

I know this because of AE Alternative energy. If you read: pay attention to what resources that are needed. Then think about how they harvested the resources and transport it. "By machinery powered by fossil fuel".

You can not read just one of these topics and expect them to say that we are all screwed. You have to read everything and sum it all up. Than you will see that we are loosing the race.

So you choose to believe what you are told?

Maybe we are not told everything.

No. I don't believe all i am being told.

That is why i told you to read everything and sum it all up and make up your own mind. Because no one except Peak Oil and Limits To Growth is going to tell you that we are screwed. To examine what they are saying read about how the market demand is acting and so on. The more information you gather the easier it becomes to see our status.

I just want to say one more thing. If you noticed the news a few days ago, we were told that Libya was ready to export oil in a few days. Doesn't that make you think how bloody important that oil is?

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Wow I've never even really thought about that. Alternative energy is flat out impossible at the moment without fossil fuels. Once we REALLY start scraping the bottom of the barrel, it's already too late, as no system exists that can replace the entirety of oil. Uhh... damn.

We might be irreversible screwed.

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Don't forget about advances in solar.

Originally posted by spy66
If you noticed the news a few days ago, we were told that Libya was ready to export oil in a few days. Doesn't that make you think how bloody important that oil is?

I don't recall that I ever said oil wasn't important. And I did say humans are like locusts devouring all natural resources.

And Saddam was taken out because he switched his oil from dollars to euros. And I know the US has capped wells.

Lots of humming and buzzing underground - - - how do you know TPTB aren't harvesting oil in clandestine operations?

I do think the "powers" are having difficulty hiding their operations because of the Internet. There have been moves lately trying to regulate the Internet.

I think they are getting desperate - - as they appear more and more obvious everyday. I've heard their plan is about 10 years behind. Which makes me think there is a deadline -- for whatever reason.

Originally posted by Dance4Life
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Don't forget about advances in solar.

Yes - exactly. As I said - - - we have no idea what's going on in the black government.

I'd guess in advancements (all areas) they are at least 50 years ahead of anything we know about.

Have you seen the solar energy system that uses melted salt?

solar.coolerplanet.com...
www.physorg.com...

Originally posted by Dance4Life
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Don't forget about advances in solar.

Yes, but only made possible by fossil fuels. To build these things you need to distract resources from solids, transport it and break it down. Today this is only made possible by oil, because you need very heavy machinery to do so which are run by byproducts of oil "like diesel".

But solar technology would also needed to be replaced, maintained and we would need to build more as our marked is dependent on "exponential growth".

We have the knowledge to build these things, but we are running out of resources to distract and transport the minerals needed to manufacture this solar technology.

Today we don't have a alternative energy source to oil to replace our means for heave load transportation or the powerful machinery that is needed to distract minerals. Electricity just don't have the same energy output as a diesel powered engine does.

Exponential growth is one of the main reasons science is loosing the race against resources.


I have a question for all of you: If it takes 10 barrels of oil to distract 10 barrels of oil, how much is left for export, how much is left to fuel you car?

If we consume 20 barrels of oil and are only able to distract 10 barrels of oil: how long do you think it would take before we don't have any oil left at all?

See the problems we are facing, if we run out of oil: How will we get the resources needed to build solar technology?

How will we go about our agriculture if we dont have fuel to power the tractor and other heavy machinery needed?

How will we keep up our present production of food, and how will we transport it to keep 7 billion people alive?

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Dance4Life
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Don't forget about advances in solar.

Yes - exactly. As I said - - - we have no idea what's going on in the black government.

I'd guess in advancements (all areas) they are at least 50 years ahead of anything we know about.

Have you seen the solar energy system that uses melted salt?

solar.coolerplanet.com...
www.physorg.com...

edit on 29-3-2011 by Annee because: (no reason given)

What you have to know about our black government is that when we run out of resources. You will be forced to walk on your two feet and provide for your self and your family. If you don't have the expertise to provide for the black government, you will get nothing from them. But you might be forced to pay taxes in one way or another non the less.

I looked at the links you provided. And i still see that you don't see the problems involved.

You don't pay attention to what it takes to manufacture 18 000 mirrors, to build the site, build the storage tanks, build the generators to convert the heat into electricity. The network needed to transport the electricity to the consumers.

What energy source do you think they used to manufacture and build all this, how did they transport all this from the manufactures to the site/location?

They didn't use solar energy i can tell you that. You are looking at the wrong details.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
I still contend for this to work, we'd have to lose completely the EGO, The "I". Because it is part of our make-up I don't see anything but destruction happening. The Ego is one of our mental hurdles because without it we don't acheive anything and with it, we are centered on ourselves, and really nothing else if given any amount of power the Ego does not shrink but in fact becomes more prevalent, it's human nature.

The concept of ego is in effect the concept of localized entity, as I am me, and then theres everything and everyone else. Arrogance however is a problem largely because our ego based selfs are by nature (not right or wrong just the way its put together) self centered and self important. We can and some will no longer believe we are in absolute isolation from all the universe. Start with us KNOWING were not part of, or certainly equal, how lower class to think of it, anything at all. But no question we are "divine" beyond all else. God says so, were made in his image.

If true I bet she is saying "I never should have said you'r so bleeping special, kill everything it's OK I look like you and there for be a planetary super brat, now they are big child minded twits with inventive ways to f up a cup of hot water..." hence can kill anything oh please take out 2billion there small, rape the Earth, treat animals as, well animals, not to mention we treat each other worse. Your more likely to kill your brother or neighbor but what man would just for the hell of it kill his dog? Few. They (dogs) being like us, pack animals, by making owners the alpha male by default, they except us as is, or we beat and starve them in to being vulgar as in "oh, what can I do oh master of all that is and PLEASE SIR may I kiss your **** and did I ask what I can do for you? Sir! Yuck.

When we realize "en mass" what is to me the true so called "singularity" the realization of are all being as one part of one uber-vast organism, the delusion of me-oh-so-special will make us feel, embarrassed. We will make it and just maybe 12-21-2012 will be an awakening of our group sense of love for each other, but... we are very likely to have more death, poop, and politicians long before we "awaken" Sorry...

We are going to have to accept CHANGE in order to evolve. But the NWO is only 'evil and scary' because of the resistance to change/evolution. Think about it:

Population Control
Global currency
Global communication
Technological advancements
(slow) Eradication of religion

How else will we quit killing each other over religion, race, or different ideologies? These things, I feel, have been given a negative connotation because not every one can see the big picture.

Please read this article from the L.A. Times:

Type I Civilization (NWO)

Type 0.1: Fluid groups of hominids living in Africa. Technology consists of primitive stone tools. Intra-group conflicts are resolved through dominance hierarchy, and between-group violence is common. Type 0.2: Bands of roaming hunter-gatherers that form kinship groups, with a mostly horizontal political system and egalitarian economy.

Type 0.3: Tribes of individuals linked through kinship but with a more settled and agrarian lifestyle. The beginnings of a political hierarchy and a primitive economic division of labor.

Type 0.4: Chiefdoms consisting of a coalition of tribes into a single hierarchical political unit with a dominant leader at the top, and with the beginnings of significant economic inequalities and a division of labor in which lower-class members produce food and other products consumed by non-producing upper-class members.

Type 0.5: The state as a political coalition with jurisdiction over a well-defined geographical territory and its corresponding inhabitants, with a mercantile economy that seeks a favorable balance of trade in a win-lose game against other states.

Type 0.6: Empires extend their control over peoples who are not culturally, ethnically or geographically within their normal jurisdiction, with a goal of economic dominance over rival empires.

Type 0.7: Democracies that divide power over several institutions, which are run by elected officials voted for by some citizens. The beginnings of a market economy.

Type 0.8: Liberal democracies that give the vote to all citizens. Markets that begin to embrace a nonzero, win-win economic game through free trade with other states.

Type 0.9: Democratic capitalism, the blending of liberal democracy and free markets, now spreading across the globe through democratic movements in developing nations and broad trading blocs such as the European Union.

Type 1.0: Globalism that includes worldwide wireless Internet access, with all knowledge digitized and available to everyone. A completely global economy with free markets in which anyone can trade with anyone else without interference from states or governments. A planet where all states are democracies in which everyone has the franchise.

It has been said that we are currently a 0.72 type civilization